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[batlin]

With their track record, it would be some watered-down DLC-fest that tries to be more like a movie than it does an RPG.

Here's hoping Obsidian gets to do it instead

[DeathScepter]

Obsidian is good. Batlin, It is a two way relationship between developer and fans. So it is our job to keep them honest while they are doing their own vision.

[Vaalyah]

What do you mean by "tries to be more like a movie than it does an RPG"? For trying to make the games run smoothly, in the last 3 days I've installed (ten thousand times ' ) and played the beginning of both KotOR and KotOR2. And both games are, till now, just "going around, kill and do random things". I don't know about KotOR3, I just hope my Jedi could use a bit more "persuasion" than "combat".

[Mr Arg]

I understand where the OP is coming from. However, if Bioware were to do a K3, I feel as though it would be best if they kept it close and true to the style, function, and feel of the first two; plus if they kept it a secret until they were about to release it so no "fans" could give their input (input and fan response is good and all, but Bioware has shown with ME3 that they don't filter out whiners... well, all the whiners).

Also, I don't want to start a band-wagon of hate towards SWTOR here (so don't start hating), but I think most will agree with me when I say that they should include very little from TOR in K3 (if it is made). Even if you liked TOR, I think you can agree with this; they are two very different types of games and there is no reason why they should share mechanics and such (story is the only thing they should share if there was a connection). I would rather they thought up ways to spice up current kotor mechanics (Obsidian including two weapon sets you could switch between easily for kotor 2 is a good example of the refinement I'm talking about).

[DeathScepter]

No Bioware needs reasonable Fan boys like me and above poster. Mr Arg comes across as intelligence and sensible. I do think he might balance me out. I do enjoy much darker themes and imagery a great deal(just say, i am a Half Life, Dead Space and Dragon Age Fan and they have dark themes and imagery)

Yes I am a fan of Revan and Jedi Exile and they deserve better than what they gotten with the Revan novel and TOR. Overall I don't hate TOR overall. Just Revan and Jedi Exile don't need to be in TOR what so ever.

If there is a Kotor 3, I do have some ideas. I do hope some of them are good.

[Mr Arg]

DeathScepter wrote...

No Bioware needs reasonable Fan boys like me and above poster. Mr Arg comes across as intelligence and sensible. I do think he might balance me out. I do enjoy much darker themes and imagery a great deal(just say, i am a Half Life, Dead Space and Dragon Age Fan and they have dark themes and imagery)

Yes I am a fan of Revan and Jedi Exile and they deserve better than what they gotten with the Revan novel and TOR. Overall I don't hate TOR overall. Just Revan and Jedi Exile don't need to be in TOR what so ever.

If there is a Kotor 3, I do have some ideas. I do hope some of them are good.

Thank you.

Also, I like the way the darer themes were appraoched in those games as well.

As for Revan, I was very dissapointed with they way they handled Revan in TOR. Because Revan was the main character in K1, it was understandable that s/he talked. But because of the ambiguity of who Revan was exactly in K2, it was nice that they kept him/her silent and mysterious. They could have kept this going in TOR, but didn't for some reason (as well, they gave him a somewhat out of character (I know Revan's character was decided by the player, but Revan's core fundamentals and character light or dark were always predefined) motive and story). One could argue that making Isaac in Dead Space a voiced prtagonist was a good move (and it was - brought the character alive). But for Revan? Not so much. Revan already had predefined character and legend - all we needed was that mysterious silence with the mask to completely know who it was. This was quite the unique case in that words reduced the character of a character.

As for K3, the simplist way I think we can sum up the desires of the fanbase are this:
We want an actual Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 3 offline, single-player classic rpg, NOT a Star Wars The Old Republic 2 offline rpg.

[DeathScepter]

Mr Arg wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

No Bioware needs reasonable Fan boys like me and above poster. Mr Arg comes across as intelligence and sensible. I do think he might balance me out. I do enjoy much darker themes and imagery a great deal(just say, i am a Half Life, Dead Space and Dragon Age Fan and they have dark themes and imagery)

Yes I am a fan of Revan and Jedi Exile and they deserve better than what they gotten with the Revan novel and TOR. Overall I don't hate TOR overall. Just Revan and Jedi Exile don't need to be in TOR what so ever.

If there is a Kotor 3, I do have some ideas. I do hope some of them are good.

Thank you.

Also, I like the way the darer themes were appraoched in those games as well.

As for Revan, I was very dissapointed with they way they handled Revan in TOR. Because Revan was the main character in K1, it was understandable that s/he talked. But because of the ambiguity of who Revan was exactly in K2, it was nice that they kept him/her silent and mysterious. They could have kept this going in TOR, but didn't for some reason (as well, they gave him a somewhat out of character (I know Revan's character was decided by the player, but Revan's core fundamentals and character light or dark were always predefined) motive and story). One could argue that making Isaac in Dead Space a voiced prtagonist was a good move (and it was - brought the character alive). But for Revan? Not so much. Revan already had predefined character and legend - all we needed was that mysterious silence with the mask to completely know who it was. This was quite the unique case in that words reduced the character of a character.

As for K3, the simplist way I think we can sum up the desires of the fanbase are this:
We want an actual Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 3 offline, single-player classic rpg, NOT a Star Wars The Old Republic 2 offline rpg.

A healthy balance of Sensible Fans and Developers. As for Issac Clarke, you can argue that he has some thing wrong with his voicebox in the 1st game but has it corrected within interlude between the 2 games. Don't forget how quickly he escapes from the Mental wards of the hosptial in the beginning of DS 2, So they must have kept him in shape and corrected any defects like an injuried or malformed voicebox. 

Like Gordon Freeman within Half Life Universe, Revan is an unique vehicle to live the Star wars universe. So making fanfic for these characters should be encouraged to a certain degree.

If there is a Kotor 3 and Revan is the Lead, I would encourage bioware to make Kotor 3 to be on the Sensibly Hard side with approiate gear, skills, feats and Force abilities to match overall Diffculty.

I do admit that Revan is a Top Tier Force user regardless if there is a Kotor 3 or a Kotor 1 special edition, any future games that he is in, that game should be quite hard. There is a massive difference between Fun hard and Stupid Hard.

[Mr Cloud]

First thing to do with KOTOR would be retconning "Revan" novel by Kashpryn.

Second, I would like to see KOTOR 3 coming from Obsidian. I think TSL is better than KOTOR1.
And Obsidian stated that they'd like to make KOTOR 3

[DeathScepter]

Mr Cloud wrote...

First thing to do with KOTOR would be retconning "Revan" novel by Kashpryn.

Second, I would like to see KOTOR 3 coming from Obsidian. I think TSL is better than KOTOR1.
And Obsidian stated that they'd like to make KOTOR 3

A total retcon of "Revan" Novel is a bad idea. Scenes with Canderous, Scourge and Darth Nyriss are quite good. Miss Sunrik and Revan seem bit dull in personality.

[Mr Arg]

Mr Cloud wrote...

First thing to do with KOTOR would be retconning "Revan" novel by Kashpryn.

Second, I would like to see KOTOR 3 coming from Obsidian. I think TSL is better than KOTOR1.
And Obsidian stated that they'd like to make KOTOR 3

1, even though the novel was generaly not received well, it apparently had a few good aspects. The TOR Revan sequence was just ...Meh... all the way through, rather they retcon that whole event.

2, I agree that Obsidian did a better job with the story, however, their grasp of story/game flow can be poor in parts (Peragus, some parts of New Vegas). Whereas K1 had flawless flow all the way through (my opinion). Perhaps a cooperative work between BW and Obsidian?

[DeathScepter]

Mr Arg wrote...

Mr Cloud wrote...

First thing to do with KOTOR would be retconning "Revan" novel by Kashpryn.

Second, I would like to see KOTOR 3 coming from Obsidian. I think TSL is better than KOTOR1.
And Obsidian stated that they'd like to make KOTOR 3

1, even though the novel was generaly not received well, it apparently had a few good aspects. The TOR Revan sequence was just ...Meh... all the way through, rather they retcon that whole event.

2, I agree that Obsidian did a better job with the story, however, their grasp of story/game flow can be poor in parts (Peragus, some parts of New Vegas). Whereas K1 had flawless flow all the way through (my opinion). Perhaps a cooperative work between BW and Obsidian?

Yeah it would be nice.

One of my Ideas involving hiding a character creator within the Jedi Archives concerning the Jedi Exile.

Basicly you as Revan search the Jedi Archives and discover whom is the Jedi Exile. In act 1, just shadows and whispers in Revan's nightmares concerning Jedi Exile. In Act 2, Hiding from the Jedi while being within the Jedi Temple, you hack a Jedi computer, an Hologram of an Armored Jedi Knight with the title of Exiled Jedi General. It is incomplete you fill in the data. T3-M4 is with you/Revan and learning about Jedi Exile.

Alignment, Fighting System Mastery, Preferred Lightsaber forms and Force forms, Jedi specialization and Jedi class Name and Gender are within this hidden character creator.

Further in Act 2, regardless of what you chose for your Jedi Exile within Revan's memories, you get to use Jedi Exile as a playable Character. Everyone will call Jedi Exile as Sunrik but Revan will often use her first name.

Better syngery between Kotor 1 and 2 Less with TOR.

[Mr Arg]

Interesting idea! Wasn't it the Exile who was looking for Revan though? Actually, I better follow-up question is, when does that idea take place?

[DeathScepter]

Well, Mr. Arg, using the Jedi Exile after the hidden character creator happens in a dream and a memories of Revan. No matter the alignment of your Revan or Jedi Exile, they are close and respectful to each other. And if your revan romances the opposite gender Jedi Exile, The Jedi Exile, Arren Kae and A Female Jedi Knight(ex apprentice of Revan's) will not be surprised.

Arren Kae: Gorgeous Ex Jedi Master with insanely long hair and yes she wears a bun for many reasons. Race: Echani. Cultural: Echani. Within Kotor 2, Arren Kae is an known Jedi Master of Revan and had a child with Yusani and die.

90% of Act 2 within my Kotor 3 happens deep within Revan's memories. Events do include Malchor 5, Dxun, Duel with Mandalore the Ulimate, Finding some of the star maps and evidence of Sith Empire. Basicly see the back story of Kotor 2 within Act 2 of my Kotor 3 thru Revan's eyes. See his pain, Suffering and regret. Within Act 1, Revan left the Jedi Order permantly and believed dead at Large. Act 1 shows the decay and everything that went to hell within Kotor 2, just starting. Act 2 compliments Act 1, Kotor 1 and 2, Then it is followed by Act 3, Revan helps Canderous on his jounrey to get the Mandalore Mask.

Act 4 has the most ties to The Old Republic, Instead of God Mode Sue Sith Emperor, it shows that He has several weaknesses. And he owns and uses many Star Chambers. Each Star Chamber is priceless to the Sith Emperor. And explores Sith Emperor's past A great deal. A quiet intelligent Sith Lord(top tier) that learns how to master Death Field to perfection but learns how to keep himself stable with Star Chambers. Over the centuries, he learns how to geneticly perfect his Imperial Guards and keep them loyal to him, Similar how Grunt was created within Okeer's lab, these Imperial Guards were made. And He as the Sith Emperor makes clones, just in case someone do assassinate him, instead the assassin would find the clone and kill the clone instead of the Sith Emperor.

Revan does destroy at least 1 star chamber. Before He does destroys the Star Chamber of this Act, Revan hides several data crons(8 or more) telling how it is possible to Destroy the Star Chambers and Weaken the Sith Emperor. So no matter what happens to Revan, the data will be hidden and secrets to kill Sith Emperor.

Act 5 and past I don't have a clue. But It is possible to have time travel and Revan meets Obi Wan and Kyle Katarn. If these happens, Revan will finds out that he is related to both of them.

Act 1) Start of the Decay and Cynicism of Republic. Revan protects Ebon Hawk crew from Republic Bounty Hunters, Dark Jedi and Sith Inflirators while in the shadow. Revan says good bye and secures The Ebon Hawk crew freedom forever and make their lives easier by them a trust fund.  Creates Hk-51 droid series to watch both Hidden Sith Empire and Republic.

Act 2) Revan's memories of the Jedi Exile, Arren Kae and several events within Mandalorian Wars.

Act 3) Revan helping to get Canderous on his way to get the Mandalore the Ulimate's mask on the edge of the Galaxy. And then telling him to gather the Mandalorian Clans. Explains why Mandalorian clans are important for the next few centuries to keep the Hidden Sith Empire in check.

Act 4) Deals with more of the Hidden Sith Empire and setting in motions the seeds of their own destruction.

Act 5) I have no clue but it would be cool as hell to have Revan to meet Kyle Katarn, Obi Wan Kenobi, And Satele Shan and Revan has his jaw drop and tells Satele that She reminds him of Bastila Shan and that is a good thing.

Modifié par DeathScepter, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[DeathScepter]

 if there is Kotor 3, I do hope that Bioware get some sensible fans to listen too.

[DeathScepter]

if there is a Kotor 3, I want a Ewok, Jawa and Besalisk. All three of them gets lightsabers.



http://browse.devian...di ewok#/du03gn  Ewok


http://deathscepter....t.com/#/d4vip1e  Besalisk


http://deathscepter....t.com/#/d490yva Jawa

Modifié par DeathScepter, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:34 .

[DeathScepter]

Bump is a bump.

whom else what Kotor 3 with good gameplay and story?

[LeCavalier]

Loved both games! I wouldn't mind another Kotor game, though with that being said I would prefer Obsidian making the game. I liked Kotor2 over 1, it had a darker story to it which I like (considering I like stuff like Berserk and The Witcher).

With Drew being gone, I can't say that I have much faith in the writing team to provide as deep as a story anymore.

[elitecom]

Before, I really used to hope that Bioware would one day make KotOR 3, but after Mass Effect 3.....Never thought I'd say this but Bioware is just not the same anymore. I would rather see Obsidian make it than Bioware.

[DeathScepter]

i do respect Drew. In my own opinion, that Kotor 3 should be made by both Bioware and Obsidian.

[Allison_Lightning]

Want KotOR 3. Will pay excessively for it. That is all.

[DeathScepter]

http://social.biowar.../index/14208789 Allison you might like it. you can post your own ideas, or compliment mine or any other posters ideas. Just because we might not get a Kotor 3, it doesn't mean that we can't have fun in having ideas.

[Tigersong]

Personally, I'd like to see a game where the player character isn't a Jedi. Certainly some humans with no Jedi training- such as soldiers and martial artists- have extraordinary abilities. (As an example, during the weekend I saw a black belt in taekwondo break three stacked pieces of concrete.)

[DeathScepter]

to Tigersong, you might like Force Warrior. Force Warrior is a Force User that devote themselves to the martial arts and the Force.