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[Doc Magnus]

With any unarmored target,I try to 'discourage' the target from doing this by firing a charged Acolyte pistol shot first. This puts them in a stagger animation during the time that SS is triggered.

[Lynx7725]

count_4 wrote...
All accruate except the bolded part. You can slice a Guardian just fine on any difficulty.

Not if/ when he turns in reaction to you and your slice catches the shield instead. At that point he's alive, annoyed, and has a general appreciation of where you are, and has a nasty, nasty Talon loaded for you.

Homey C-Dawg wrote...
SS's definitely got some "not your fault but your dead anyway" bugs.

It helps to make sure they lose you as a target before using SS. Might take a few seconds after you cloak.

I don't think it's a bug. I think it's intentional, to force the Shadow to work within a team framework.

It won't matter if the enemy detected you or not before you SS. It's that split second when you triggered the SS, the system has already placed you behind the target, ready to strike, not yet struck, and the enemy detects you and starts turning. If you appeared right behind, I don't think any enemy has the turn reaction time to fully get you into their front arc. But if you appeared at the side, that reaction time and turn speed can get you into their front arc -- and firing line.

The most reliable way I have seen to work, is that the target is already preoccupied with your teammate. That way, he will point to your teammate, you will appear besides him, but because he is concentrating on your teammate, they will (likely) detect you but not turn to you. Then your SS will hit for full. This is most evident in Guardians, which as noted, should by rights be dead on every SS... but doesn't.

[Rildok]

I do not believe it was intended. You are cloaking and uncloaking as you strike in the animation, they should not have the chance to react before your strike. They really need to fix this as this is one of my favorite classes now. Also hate when you get instagibbed by phantoms if you don't cloak beforehand. Had that happen twice to me today.

[mav76]

My experience has been that if I cloak when the enemy is not targeting me, they don't react to me during SS. But I have both Cloak Duration and Bonus Power evolutions, and I think that makes a difference.

In laggy games, I do notice that my Shadow immediately appears behind the target, then POV swoops in and I slash. Almost seems like the body teleported and the soul has to fly back into the body. Before I maxxed cloak, I would see my uncloaked self standing behind or beside the target (as activating SS breaks TC, and the cloak part of SS apparently doesn't happen until your soul catches up to your body). With Bonus Power evolution, I see my cloaked self standing behind the target as I swoop in, since TC hasn't been broken yet. Still need to be careful against boss enemies, as they seem to be able to see through cloak pretty often.

Still sometimes whiff on Guardians if they have there isn't room to spawn behind them, but at least I'm still cloaked and can either run for it or just shoot them with a piercing mod on my gun.

Try it with duration and bonus power and see how it works for you. With both you can even TC--SS, wait for recharge, SS again within one cloak. Just remember that the second SS does break the TC immediately. You might also have better luck as host.

[friedricethem0n]

SS is near useless on Gold against Bosses. It deals no damage to armor. I think rank 6 on Sword Mastery is bugged or something.

[Rildok]

The shadow is an assassin. When true assassins strike, they cannot be detected. With the current bugged ss, it's not living up to be what it should be. They should make it so all enemies that were targeting you before you initiate ss should still focus on where you were before ss, then after you zoom in behind them and strike they can focus on you in your new location.

[IsilZhaSB]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

DarkKat48 wrote...

Geth Flamethrowers always seem to be able to get me regardless of cloaking before hand or not. I can see why they would not want to make the stealth of SS make you drop all aggro since that would make it over powered but I definitely think it could be tweaked a bit. As it is right now it just gets one into trouble. I would like to see it have a trainable ability or something that allows a chance or lets you chain it quicker with Electric Slash

You are a very 'brave' space ninja trying to shadow strike a Pyro, I would not get near that mf to give him no chance to make me look bad

huh?  I SS Pyros all the time - OHKing them - on Gold (after the Martial Artist proc and letting the electrical damage over time finish the job.)  If they're alone I can finish them off immediately with a heavy melee.

friedricethem0n wrote...

SS is near useless on Gold
against Bosses. It deals no damage to armor. I think rank 6 on Sword
Mastery is bugged or something.

It is - it only applies to your light and heavy melee, but not shadow strike.  Still, it's only 50 damage off of a massive amount of burst damage so doesn't make that much of a difference.

Modifié par IsilZhaSB, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:28 .

[Rildok]

I too ss pyros, especially when they're alone. Just es then ss and they should go down.

Edit: I also love using ss on phantoms without their barriers. It's risky, but fun.

Modifié par Rildok, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:42 .

[saecula]

Lynx7725 wrote...

Fact is, we don't actually know how the AI determines if a particular enemy can detect you. It looks to be a combination of visual and distance factors, but we don't really know how exactly.

Have a read of this: http://social.biowar.../index/13287526

Best way to make sure you don't get hit while shadow striking is to wait until your target is focused on someone else. Cloaking and straight away shadow strike is not enough, wait for a second until your target turns the other way, then get him.

I like to cloak and then do a cartwheel to the side first. Enemies will still shoot at where they saw you last, so that avoids getting shot, and it gives the enemy time to pick a new target, at that point I can safely shadow strike.

[Lynx7725]

saecula wrote...

Lynx7725 wrote...
Fact is, we don't actually know how the AI determines if a particular enemy can detect you. It looks to be a combination of visual and distance factors, but we don't really know how exactly.

Have a read of this: http://social.biowar.../index/13287526

*Amused* You might want to take a look who the OP of that thread is.

[Kenadian]

Oddly, I find that SS isn't problematic with Banshees. It's just timing with them. The most problematic ones are the bugger enemies. IE: Rocket Troopers, Atlases. Basically anything that can shoot missiles out of its ass.