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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

This has always bothered me. You know how Cerberus has always been one step ahead of Shepard when it mattered? For example: Mars; Eden Prime; Sur-Kesh; Thessia. There may be others I've forgotten, but I'm sure others will point out them.

1. Mars: Okay, so Eva Core got there as an infiltration unit a couple weeks before the invasion, but the actual Cerberus troops didn't get there before the reaper invasion. They showed up at the exact same time that Shepard gave the order to head to the Mars archives. Through what system did that go?

2. What was discovered on Mars besides the Crucible (if you had the DLC)? The location of a Prothean artifact, and that information was analyzed by what system?

3. Then when you were having the peace conference prior to Sur-Kesh what system is always listening?

EDI. Should EDI have been flashed during retrofit? I'm thinking there was a low level sub-routine that continually sent intel back to The Illusive Man that was even below the main processing radar of AI consciousness. I can't think of any other way. EDI had no motivation, itself. Even unshackled it was bound within the protocols of its original programming -- ME2: after unshackling you still couldn't access areas about Cerberus. There was no motivation for any of the aliens to alert Cerberus. Shepard had no motivation. Aria scanned Shepard for all sorts of stuff before talking to her: can't be too careful especially around dead Spectres.

And the other one: it's pretty obvious Udina's office was bugged and C-Sec didn't find the bug. Stupid Asari Councilor. Should have met in the bug free VIP section around the paranoid Aria at Purgatory, but she probably didn't want to catch the "We're at war and you withheld what?" flak from Aria.

Hence, EDI should have been flashed during retrofit IMO.

[D24O]

I always figured the Reapers indoctrinated agents sent them info. TIM was just another reaper thrall anyway, made sense to me.

[Haiyato]

SUre about not accessing areas about Cerebus when asking EDI in ME2? I got told everything after the unshackling, like funding (even Joker will make a joke about it) the number of active cells, how they got the Normandy plans and any other item that was provided but locked out before hand.

I mean they use to be a Black Ops group so I imagine they still have people feeding them info.

[v TricKy v]

The better question is how could Cerberus surprise the Salarian Special Tasks Group(the masters of information) on their own home planet and get even a foot on it? Do the Salarians have no defense at all?

[BatmanPWNS]

v TricKy v wrote...

The better question is how could Cerberus surprise the Salarian Special Tasks Group(the masters of information) on their own home planet and get even a foot on it? Do the Salarians have no defense at all?

Lets not forget Ceberus easily got into Thessia's most important building without any problem and easily took over the Citadel like it was nothing.

[v TricKy v]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

The better question is how could Cerberus surprise the Salarian Special Tasks Group(the masters of information) on their own home planet and get even a foot on it? Do the Salarians have no defense at all?

Lets not forget Ceberus easily got into Thessia's most important building without any problem and easily took over the Citadel like it was nothing.

The Citadel is also ridiculous. C-Sec is supposed to be 200.000 man strong. Its also the reason Saren used the Conduit in ME1 to circumvent them. But then almighty Cerberus rolls in and takes C-Sec headquarters without problems.

[ATLAS1192]

Because OH NOES CERBERUS. They were the go-to villains of the game, when you didn't have the Geth for Quarian missions, and the Reapers for conquered systems.

[Bill Casey]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This has always bothered me. You know how Cerberus has always been one step ahead of Shepard when it mattered? For example: Mars; Eden Prime; Sur-Kesh; Thessia. There may be others I've forgotten, but I'm sure others will point out them.

(Thessia)


Illusive Man: Shepard.

Shepard: How did you find this place?

Illusive Man: The Archives, or did your Shadow Broker miss that one?
_____________________________

(Surkesh)



Mordin: Females kept secret. Possibly a mole in STG. Could be indoctrinated.

Also, if you listen to the ambient conversations, two salarians talk about an unauthorized encrypted transmission that went out shortly before you arrived. One Salarian is openly protesting to his superior officer that we are going to cure the genophage.
_____________________________

(Eden Prime)


Unexplained, but likely the Prothean Archives.
_____________________________

(Mars)


Eva Core.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 juillet 2012 - 08:51 .

[SnakeStrike8]

What does it matter in the end? Bioware wanted us to be slotting humans. So they sent humans for us to slot, and the specifics of how and why never matter.It shouldn't escape your notice that only one of the N7 ops that Shepard undertakes involve fighting Reapers. Every other one is against Cerberus.
Although admittedtly it might have been a solid twist if it turned out that EDI really was a Cerberus plant from the start, and all that bunk about liberating it in ME 2 and making it a part of the team was a ruse to distract us from its true purpose: Give the Illusive Man an eye into the Normandy, and by extenstion, Shepard.
Sadly, such a thing seems beyond Bioware's ability.

[Len Lfc]

Bill Casey wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This has always bothered me. You know how Cerberus has always been one step ahead of Shepard when it mattered? For example: Mars; Eden Prime; Sur-Kesh; Thessia. There may be others I've forgotten, but I'm sure others will point out them.

(Thessia)


Illusive Man: Shepard.

Shepard: How did you find this place?

Illusive Man: The Archives, or did your Shadow Broker miss that one?
_____________________________

(Surkesh)



Mordin: Females kept secret. Possibly a mole in STG. Could be indoctrinated.

Also, if you listen to the ambient conversations, two salarians talk about an unauthorized encrypted transmission that went out shortly before you arrived. One Salarian is openly protesting to his superior officer that we are going to cure the genophage.
_____________________________

(Eden Prime)


Unexplained, but likely the Prothean Archives.
_____________________________

(Mars)


Eva Core.

Thank you, someone who plays this game, & listens, I get the feeling most people here don't actually pay attention when playing this game 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bill Casey wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This has always bothered me. You know how Cerberus has always been one step ahead of Shepard when it mattered? For example: Mars; Eden Prime; Sur-Kesh; Thessia. There may be others I've forgotten, but I'm sure others will point out them.

(Thessia)


Illusive Man: Shepard.

Shepard: How did you find this place?

Illusive Man: The Archives, or did your Shadow Broker miss that one?

Yes, and what was analyzing the data from the Mars Archives on the Normandy for Liara? I'll give you a guess. EDI. I suspect a subroutine within EDI.

_____________________________

(Surkesh)



Mordin: Females kept secret. Possibly a mole in STG. Could be indoctrinated.

Also, if you listen to the ambient conversations, two salarians talk about an unauthorized encrypted transmission that went out shortly before you arrived. One Salarian is openly protesting to his superior officer that we are going to cure the genophage.

Now, notice how it went out shortly before you arrived and not long before you arrived so Cerberus knew exactly when Eve was going to be most vulnerable.

It went out when we punched Sur'Kesh into the map, so that nav point went through EDI, and then someone on Sur'kesh was notified we were going there. Again I suspect a subroutine within EDI.

_____________________________

(Eden Prime)


Unexplained, but likely the Prothean Archives.  ----- I agree.
_____________________________

(Mars)


Eva Core.

Right. It infiltrated Mars to disable the defenses for the purpose of allowing Cerberus troops to land so it could get into the archives and download the entire thing and escape in a shuttle back to Cronos. However, it was intercepted by James and Shepard. The information was completely downloaded into EDI.

Also if I recall there was a "battle" that EDI had with Eva while doing this, and EDI had to take over Eva. Perhaps there was some "send information to Cronos" code imbedded in there. It is possible.

EDI is not perfect. EDI didn't completely scrub the Reaper IFF in ME2. Or was that done on purpose so it could be unshackled?

The point here is that there was some untapped potential plot twists that BioWare could have exploited. Can you just imagine if Traynor mentioned to Shepard, "Next time we're at the Citadel I'd like to meet with you and Liara at the cafe in the Presidium. I have something very important I need to discuss with the two of you." She brings up that she's noticed a low level encrypted tranmission leaving the Normandy at regular intervals and she's discretely traced the origin to the AI core. EDI and Joker are in Purgatory. That's a "holy ****!" moment.

[Applepie_Svk]

google...

[Galifreya]

Probably something or someone on the Normandy. Working for the Reapers. Remember Liara's words: Every war has it's traitors.

Example: the Leviathan of Dis.

[incinerator950]

Len Lfc wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This has always bothered me. You know how Cerberus has always been one step ahead of Shepard when it mattered? For example: Mars; Eden Prime; Sur-Kesh; Thessia. There may be others I've forgotten, but I'm sure others will point out them.

(Thessia)


Illusive Man: Shepard.

Shepard: How did you find this place?

Illusive Man: The Archives, or did your Shadow Broker miss that one?
_____________________________

(Surkesh)



Mordin: Females kept secret. Possibly a mole in STG. Could be indoctrinated.

Also, if you listen to the ambient conversations, two salarians talk about an unauthorized encrypted transmission that went out shortly before you arrived. One Salarian is openly protesting to his superior officer that we are going to cure the genophage.
_____________________________

(Eden Prime)


Unexplained, but likely the Prothean Archives.
_____________________________

(Mars)


Eva Core.

Thank you, someone who plays this game, & listens, I get the feeling most people here don't actually pay attention when playing this game 

A lot of people actually pay attention, its just most people forget it, easily.  When its not on their agenda, or doesn't please their egos, they generally care not to bring it up.

For instance, The Metacon War being a huge debate with little to no information besides a few lines from Javik and a highly edited Wiki page.

[DarklightZERO]

You know, it would have really elevated TIMmy's standing in my eyes if it was revealed that Cerberus put a bug in Shepard when they were rebuilding him.

[ISAWRIT]

That whole argument you have with EDI being the source seems really unlikely. At the Cerberus base while you're watching vids on EDI's start at Cerberus, you find out TIM was trying to get intel on the Normandy and reestablish connections after you break ties with him. It's revealed that EDI was flooding his attempts with erotic images and blocking him. So, I highly doubt EDI doesn't have complete control of who she allows to monitor information regarding Shepard and his/her missions.

[Dean_the_Young]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This has always bothered me. You know how Cerberus has always been one step ahead of Shepard when it mattered? For example: Mars; Eden Prime; Sur-Kesh; Thessia. There may be others I've forgotten, but I'm sure others will point out them.

1. Mars: Okay, so Eva Core got there as an infiltration unit a couple weeks before the invasion, but the actual Cerberus troops didn't get there before the reaper invasion. They showed up at the exact same time that Shepard gave the order to head to the Mars archives. Through what system did that go?

What do you mean, 'what system?' The Sol System.

Cerberus knew the Reapers were going to arrive soon, and so they prepared. If there's anywhere a human group can establish hiding spots to prepare for missions, the solar system with the most humans would be it. Then, when everyone is panicking about the Reapers, they just move in the confusion.

Cerberus could have hid in the asteroid belt and moved in, or they could have hid on Mars, or any number of places.

2. What was discovered on Mars besides the Crucible (if you had the DLC)?

Unknown, but also irrelevant: the flexibility exists to justify any number of things.

The location of a Prothean artifact, and that information was analyzed by what system?

TIM's computers back at his base. Eva uploads the data, he analyzes it. Not too hard.

3. Then when you were having the peace conference prior to Sur-Kesh what system is always listening?

He doesn't need one on the Normandy: Cerberus has moles inside the Salarian government, and even in their base. Cerberus almost certainly knew about the female Krogan before Shepard did.

And the other one: it's pretty obvious Udina's office was bugged and C-Sec didn't find the bug. Stupid Asari Councilor. Should have met in the bug free VIP section around the paranoid Aria at Purgatory, but she probably didn't want to catch the "We're at war and you withheld what?" flak from Aria.

TIM didn't learn about the Thessia Beacon from bugs in Udina's office: TIM knew about the Thessia beacon from the Mars Archive. Which he tells you.

[Dean_the_Young]

v TricKy v wrote...

The better question is how could Cerberus surprise the Salarian Special Tasks Group(the masters of information) on their own home planet and get even a foot on it? Do the Salarians have no defense at all?

There's an in-game explanation for this that you literally can not avoid: Cerberus uses Reaper tech, which trumps Salarian tech by a wide margin. Shepard beats them because it's Shepard, and a video game, but in terms of lore Cerberus is equiped with much better, and much more advanced, tech.

BatmanPWNS wrote...
Lets not forget Ceberus easily got into Thessia's most important building without any problem and easily took over the Citadel like it was nothing.

Besides that it isn't the most important building on Thessia ('military-grade encryption' isn't all that, all things considering), and besides that we've no idea how much trouble Cerberus had, Cerberus also had the benefit of a Reaper invasion causing a tad bit of a distraction right outside, and cutting off reinforcements.

As for the Citadel, the fact that they failed to take it over was kind of a point. It was also hardly 'easy.'

[Dean_the_Young]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yes, and what was analyzing the data from the Mars Archives on the Normandy for Liara? I'll give you a guess. EDI. I suspect a subroutine within EDI.

Or it could have been part of the data that was being erased... as Liara exclaimed at the end of the first TIM conversation.

Now, notice how it went out shortly before you arrived and not long before you arrived so Cerberus knew exactly when Eve was going to be most vulnerable.

It went out when we punched Sur'Kesh into the map, so that nav point went through EDI, and then someone on Sur'kesh was notified we were going there. Again I suspect a subroutine within EDI.

That's not a logical cause and effect.

Cerberus knew about the female because of a mole, and Cerberus could have known the timing because the same mole heard that there was an imminent transfer.

Right. It infiltrated Mars to disable the defenses for the purpose of allowing Cerberus troops to land so it could get into the archives and download the entire thing and escape in a shuttle back to Cronos. However, it was intercepted by James and Shepard. The information was completely downloaded into EDI.

Bar the 'completely.'

Also if I recall there was a "battle" that EDI had with Eva while doing this, and EDI had to take over Eva. Perhaps there was some "send information to Cronos" code imbedded in there. It is possible.

There was no battle. There is also no sub-plot of any subterfuge by EDI, knowingly or unknowingly, while Chronos establishes that Cerberus lost control.

EDI is not perfect. EDI didn't completely scrub the Reaper IFF in ME2. Or was that done on purpose so it could be unshackled?

Or, as EDI was pointing out, she wasn't done scrubbing the IFF.

The point here is that there was some untapped potential plot twists that BioWare could have exploited. Can you just imagine if Traynor mentioned to Shepard, "Next time we're at the Citadel I'd like to meet with you and Liara at the cafe in the Presidium. I have something very important I need to discuss with the two of you." She brings up that she's noticed a low level encrypted tranmission leaving the Normandy at regular intervals and she's discretely traced the origin to the AI core. EDI and Joker are in Purgatory. That's a "holy ****!" moment.

We could make countless conspiracy theories.

[RadicalMoron]

WikiLeaks.

[The Spamming Troll]

TIM > shadowbroker

makes sense if you artistic integrity.

[Dean_the_Young]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

TIM > shadowbroker

makes sense if you artistic integrity.

I would have thought it made sense on the grounds that TIM engineered the defeat of the original Shadow Broker, and not the other way around.

[DPSSOC]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

TIM > shadowbroker

makes sense if you artistic integrity.

Also makes sense if you consider we got most of our mission intel from the !@#$ing comms officer.  Pretty much every non-fetch quest side mission is given to us by Traynor, Traynor is the one who tracks Cerberus to Sanctuary, and Liara... ... ... ... Profit?

[incinerator950]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

TIM > shadowbroker

makes sense if you artistic integrity.

I would have thought it made sense on the grounds that TIM engineered the defeat of the original Shadow Broker, and not the other way around.

I don't know why you honestly bother with these people.

[Sajuro]

DPSSOC wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

TIM > shadowbroker

makes sense if you artistic integrity.

Also makes sense if you consider we got most of our mission intel from the !@#$ing comms officer.  Pretty much every non-fetch quest side mission is given to us by Traynor, Traynor is the one who tracks Cerberus to Sanctuary, and Liara... ... ... ... Profit?

Liara is directing her resources towards the war effort.