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[The Angry One]

Armdin wrote...

Reaper gets pwned.
Senses human nearby (Shepard's got a hot bod).
Remembers Harby talking about a human pwning his and Sovvy's backside.
Reaper says; "Shepard."
Shepard says; "You know who I am?" 
Confirmation! 

You know, Turian Admiral Coronati has killed at least 3 Sovereign class Reapers. That's 2 more than Shepard is responsible for.
So really Mr. Destroyer should be saying "Coronati."

Yes yes human, but how would a Reaper distinguish a human from any other organic if not by sight?

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:24 .

[ZLurps]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Harbingers like probably over a billion years old though, he's gonna know that destroying the core will vaporize all around the beam.

I just came to think fantastic troll ending for Rannoch Reaper scene. Or the one in London.

Hell, there is even better opportunity. Here we start our journey to save the galaxy and take earth back. Shep is running with Anderson for pick up.

Reaper destroyer blows up Alliance Dreadnought...
Anderson: Oh no...
Shep: Mass Effect core, oh ****, oh ****, oh shi * KABOOM * 

Critical Mission Failure.

[SwiftSlash]

I've heard alot of different reasons. Personally there's either a reason (speculation) or the scene was just crap.

The Reaper IFF/can't shoot flying things/priorities doesn't count in this one's case.

The IFF? Why'd the Collectors attack the SR2 in ME2? Or, why did the destroyer on Rannoch take shots at them?

Can't shoot flying objects? The destroyer on Earth shoots down two shuttles. Also, Rannoch again, Traynor says Joker had to put the SR2 through crazy maneuvers to dodge being shot at (form orbit?). Same scene: Shoots down gunships flying at him, where the Normandy just sits there. Floating.

Lastly, the fact that Harbinger had other priorities aside from the Normandy? Even IF he didn't have Reaper-Beam-Rapid-Fire, he still would take down the ship/crew that destroyed multiple Reaper ships. He obviously visually saw them. The Camera points that out. Besides, not a single beam was fired after the Normandy shows up. No boom, no red glow, no camera shakes. Priorities my emergency emergency ejection port.

I stand by that there is a reason. It may however be a poorly done scene. I will tell you this was a BAD way to start my EC experience. It put a frown on my face from that point on 'til I shot the brat.

Modifié par SwiftSlash, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .

[swordmalice]

The Normandy would have had its stealth systems engaged. Unless Harby had eyes in its head (which it does not because it is a synthetic) it would have had no means of detecting the Normandy.

[The Angry One]

swordmalice wrote...

The Normandy would have had its stealth systems engaged. Unless Harby had eyes in its head (which it does not because it is a synthetic) it would have had no means of detecting the Normandy.

Yeah it definitely has no eyes.

And by no eyes, I mean six eyes.

[Applepie_Svk]

The Angry One wrote...

swordmalice wrote...

The Normandy would have had its stealth systems engaged. Unless Harby had eyes in its head (which it does not because it is a synthetic) it would have had no means of detecting the Normandy.

Yeah it definitely has no eyes.

And by no eyes, I mean six eyes.

Ooo ooO 
these eyes ? 

[flanny]

pirate1802 wrote...

Eloise K wrote...

In my case the LI was with my Shep during the rush to the beam and I thought and still think that although touching that scene was somewhat too stupid and broke my suspension of disblelief. But maybe it's me, I'd rather get consistencies than corny goodbyes.

It appeared goofy to me too, but didn't make me want to pull my hairs out. It didn't break my suspension of disbelief. I guess if Shepard surviving at the start of ME2 like he does.. can't, nothing can.

really? I heard Shepard call in the evac and that was it moment ruined all suspence gone, first i shouted at how stupid the scene was, then when Shepard actually stopped to have a conversation i simply burst out laughing... the moment where you just see Harby waiting staring at you was a priceless moment of comic gold... though i kind of ruined the whole 'this is intense' feel to it.

the hamfisted goodbye was awful by the way, apart from the EDI one, that too was a moment of comic gold

[swordmalice]

The Angry One wrote...

swordmalice wrote...

The Normandy would have had its stealth systems engaged. Unless Harby had eyes in its head (which it does not because it is a synthetic) it would have had no means of detecting the Normandy.

Yeah it definitely has no eyes.

And by no eyes, I mean six eyes.

Yes but are they truly "eyes"? Since when do synthetics like that have eyes analagous to organic eyes?

[spockjedi]

Does anyone remember the Search and Rescue mini-game?

If the Reapers can hunt you there, regardless of the Reaper IFF or the stealth systems, why wouldn't Harbinger do the same when it was much closer to the Normandy?
The plot hole from the original ending was filled with something even worse.

[incinerator950]

Or the fact the Stealth system isn't useful during combat.

[SinerAthin]

Plot armor.


It doesn't really make sense.

I could live with a speeding, lightning fast shuttle doing a quick pickup, but the whole Normandy landing infront of Harbie?

Admittedly, I facepalmed through the whole scene...

[Han Shot First]

Harbinger had bigger fish to fry with tanks, infantry, and dismounted infantry zerg rushing the beam. The Normandy was just evacuating wounded, and not as much of a threat at the time as the troops and equipment actually involved in the push.

[Applepie_Svk]

SinerAthin wrote...

Plot armor.


It doesn't really make sense.

I could live with a speeding, lightning fast shuttle doing a quick pickup, but the whole Normandy landing infront of Harbie?

Admittedly, I facepalmed through the whole scene...

Whole scene was hilarious, I was laughting for five mintes spilled my soda on screen coz of that absurdity  even better was reaction from part of fanbase which said yes great explanation THX BioWare my hope in you is renewed- I was like a what the hell ?!

[SinerAthin]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Whole scene was hilarious, I was laughting for five mintes spilled my soda on screen coz of that absurdity  even better was reaction from part of fanbase which said yes great explanation THX BioWare my hope in you is renewed- I was like a what the hell ?!

Other than that scene, the rest of the EC was... mostly... okay though

[DirtyPhoenix]

@SinerAthin, love your sig.

[MegaSovereign]

The Angry One wrote...

swordmalice wrote...

The Normandy would have had its stealth systems engaged. Unless Harby had eyes in its head (which it does not because it is a synthetic) it would have had no means of detecting the Normandy.

Yeah it definitely has no eyes.

And by no eyes, I mean six eyes.

During Harby's childhood, he must have been bullied by the other Reapers for being so different.

[krasnoarmeets]

Eloise K wrote...

Assuming that the Normandy was invisible to the Reapers because of the IFF tecnology, the right question should be: If the Normandy was able to approach the beam from the beginning, why did an entire squad commit suicide at the mercy of Harbinger's fire?

Also if that were valid, then how come the Normandy can be destroyed by all manner of random reapers in that retarded minigame where you search for random war assets?
It would show up as a friendly according to this theory...

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 25 juillet 2012 - 04:37 .

[sumSOTY]

The whole problem with the EC is that it was just meant to cover bioware's ass on a terribly written last mission. Im sure that bioware was completely aware of how bad it was after the games were already distributed. It was just too late to do anything about it. But rather than admit to doing a bad job writing the final built up assault on earth to end an epic game franchise, they just claim their ending was "artistic." can't say I could have thought of that enough myself. Sure was creative/artistic (huge stretch on that words definition)But I probably would have been sober to write an ending for a great story.

So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.
Does it answer how your teammates made it back onto the normandy so they can later conveniently crash land on the lush beautiful planet with perfect temperature/pressure/oxygen? Yup. That's all bioware was trying to accomplish. Even if it WAS fuc*ing stupid.

[incinerator950]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

SinerAthin wrote...

Plot armor.


It doesn't really make sense.

I could live with a speeding, lightning fast shuttle doing a quick pickup, but the whole Normandy landing infront of Harbie?

Admittedly, I facepalmed through the whole scene...

Whole scene was hilarious, I was laughting for five mintes spilled my soda on screen coz of that absurdity  even better was reaction from part of fanbase which said yes great explanation THX BioWare my hope in you is renewed- I was like a what the hell ?!

I actually sat in durp mode, ready to faceplam at the sheer amount of fanpanning it was.  

[bydoritos]

a load of stanton wrote...

reaper IFF harby thinks its a friendly

 HAHAHA 
This. 

[JesseLee202]

v TricKy v wrote...

So a single Alliance soldier with an assault rifle is a bigger threat than a space ship equipped with powerful Thanix Cannons?

Yeah, ya know, cause the Normandy was totally using those cannons on harby...  <_< 
If they did fire, I bet harby would have roasted them; but he was killing the ground troops at the moment, and the SR2 didn't fire...

And yes, a soldier that makes it up the beam is most definitely a bigger threat than the SR2... Please note how Shep made it up and won the war (a single alliance soldier...)

[DirtyPhoenix]

sumSOTY wrote...
So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.

*cough* FTL.. *cough*

[sumSOTY]

pirate1802 wrote...

sumSOTY wrote...
So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.

*cough* FTL.. *cough*

you never see the normandy leaving FTL speed. you just see it swoop down infront of harby. also, im pretty sure the FTL is only used to cover huge distances. like different solar systems distance. other wise you'd see ships insta porting when they get charged by a giant reaper    or being shot at in general for that matter

[Gold Dragon]

Several Reasons (tho I bet that Harbinger would have fired if Shepard had boarded the Normandy).

Eezo cores explode violently.  Remember the Destroyed Dreadnaught on Earth at the begining of ME 3?  Harbinger didn't want to risk having enough damage done to it that it was concievable that some other humans might be able to destroy it.  Also, what about the Beam that Harbinger is protecting?  Could that have been damaged/destroyed by such an explosion?

Harbinger was also using it's "tentacles" as support, so any weapons attached to them would have been useless.

With one cannon, Harbinger also wasn't certain that, if it DID target the Normandy, that Shepard wouldn't have made it safely to the beam, making it's gaurd duty useless.  One shot, either Normandy or Shepard, better make this one count.  And Harbinger chose Shepard.

Also, the Maurader and Husks(Higher difficulty ratings only) that Shepard sees later have a purpose, too.  Kill the dying and throw the dead into the Beam for processing.

[xI extremist Ix]

nhsknudsen wrote...

Why not just drop hotdrop a MAKO like on Ilos right at the beam?

Oh right, people hated the MAKO...

Could have been just like ME1 with the race to the Conduit. Oh... if only.