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[Ticonderoga117]

pirate1802 wrote...

sumSOTY wrote...
So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.

*cough* FTL.. *cough*

And then everyone gets knocked off thier feet due to the large frigate pushing air away from it while moving at FTL speeds. And the Normandy then explodes because it couldn't take the pressure of pushing the atmosphere at FTL speeds. Then what's left creams into London at FTL speeds and probably destroys most of the city at least.

[v TricKy v]

JesseLee202 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

So a single Alliance soldier with an assault rifle is a bigger threat than a space ship equipped with powerful Thanix Cannons?

Yeah, ya know, cause the Normandy was totally using those cannons on harby...  <_< 
If they did fire, I bet harby would have roasted them; but he was killing the ground troops at the moment, and the SR2 didn't fire...

And yes, a soldier that makes it up the beam is most definitely a bigger threat than the SR2... Please note how Shep made it up and won the war (a single alliance soldier...)

You do know that they couldnt have won without the Catalysts help? There was no way to get on top besides the Elevator which the Catalyst activated. There was also the Illusive Man who can control other people.
From a pure logical standpoint it doesnt even make sense for Harbinger to guard the Beam because they couldnt have won without help from their leader.

[Ticonderoga117]

v TricKy v wrote...

You do know that they couldnt have won without the Catalysts help? There was no way to get on top besides the Elevator which the Catalyst activated. There was also the Illusive Man who can control other people.
From a pure logical standpoint it doesnt even make sense for Harbinger to guard the Beam because they couldnt have won without help from their leader.

inb4 "The Cruicible changed something no one knew was there."

Ugh, that arguement really makes no sense. The ending makes no sense. Where's the sense BioWare?!

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 25 juillet 2012 - 06:53 .

[Kastrenzo]

It was distracted by all the soldiers running to the beam.

Or classic movie villain who takes too long to shoot the good guys

[DirtyPhoenix]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

sumSOTY wrote...
So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.

*cough* FTL.. *cough*

And then everyone gets knocked off thier feet due to the large frigate pushing air away from it while moving at FTL speeds. And the Normandy then explodes because it couldn't take the pressure of pushing the atmosphere at FTL speeds. Then what's left creams into London at FTL speeds and probably destroys most of the city at least.

That went over my head.

[Ticonderoga117]

pirate1802 wrote...
That went over my head.

Speedy thing hits wall, speedy thing gets destroyed.

The Normandy, going faster than light, will shred itself apart because it's designed to fly at FTL speeds, IN SPACE.
Then, if anything survives re-entry at FTL speeds, would cause a very large explosion due to the simple equation of F= mv^2. Even a grain of sand going faster than light will wreck your day.

[Krunjar]

There are several possible reasons. My vote is at this point the reapers want Shepard to reach the beam and harbinger is fighting his programming with all his might. He can't stop attacking but he can at least focus away from the Normandy & co. He only near misses Shep at the last minute because he loses the last of his self control.

Honestly though Hollywood action movies pull far far worse and no one bats an eyelid.

[Applepie_Svk]

sumSOTY wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

sumSOTY wrote...
So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.

*cough* FTL.. *cough*

you never see the normandy leaving FTL speed. you just see it swoop down infront of harby. also, im pretty sure the FTL is only used to cover huge distances. like different solar systems distance. other wise you'd see ships insta porting when they get charged by a giant reaper    or being shot at in general for that matter

With using FTL charging into Earth gravitation field you would probably change crew to something less than Heinz ketchup. 

FTL drives are devices which allow ships to travel at FTL speeds through space. FTL drive cores work by exposing element zero to electric currents, creating mass effect fields. It reduces the mass of an object, such as a starship, to a point where velocities faster than the speed of light are possible.

[Jassu1979]

Dudes, THERE IS NO EXPLANATION. IT'S JUST SLOPPY WRITING!!!

(Sorry for the all caps, but that really *is* obvious, and trying to rationalize it won't make it better. The whole *scene* makes no sense, not just the fact that Harbinger is perfectly content to watch without firing a single shot.

First of all, your crew mates may be hurt, but nowhere near badly enough to justify that kind of emergency evacuation in the middle of a critical mission. (Which is further confirmed by the fact that they're all but recovered by the time they leave the solar system, as per later cut scenes.)
Secondly, all loyalties aside, it's highly implausible for a competent commander to pull that kind of stunt, risking DOZENS of lives *and* the mission itself just to evacuate TWO people. (For the other wounded are left on the field, and keep on dying all around.)
Thirdly, the Normandy appears in a matter of seconds, even though it's safe to say that they were engaged in the orbital battle mere moments before.
And then of course, there's the whole thing with neither the Normandy nor Harbinger seizing that opportunity to do some damage.

It's just bad writing, a sloppy attempt at explaining the presence of your ground team aboard the Normandy. It confirms that the original plot hole was a genuine oversight, now sloppily fixed with the most convoluted additional scene possible.

[Death of Seph]

Revelo wrote...

 Okay, I don't know of this has been posted before, but when the Normandy comes to pick up your squadmates right before you board the Citadel, why is Harbinger just hovering there doing nothing while you, your squadmates and the Normandy are sitting ducks? You are there for more than enough time to get destroyed, and since you don't heard him attacking any more of Hammer team during this sequence, it confuses me more that there is this golden opportunity to destroy the man and the ship that has been a pain in your ass for the last few years and instantly secure a Rweaper victory.

Thoughts?

Harby was distracted by an annoying little fly buzzing around in front of him.  He was contimplating the choices of shooting it down, indoctrinating it and sending it to bug someone else and finally just staring at it some more.  By the time his gigantic Reaper brain resolved this pressing conundrum the Normandy had landed, taken off again, performed several victory laps around his head and left.

[l7986]

Because Harbringer does what the **** he wants. No programmers from bioware are going tell him what to shoot.

[The Angry One]

pirate1802 wrote...

sumSOTY wrote...
So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.

*cough* FTL.. *cough*

Yes because using FTL while pointing towards a planet is possible and sensible. <_<

[flanny]

The Angry One wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

sumSOTY wrote...
So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.

*cough* FTL.. *cough*

Yes because using FTL while pointing towards a planet is possible and sensible. <_<

with the speed and distance involved you'd get there before you left. 

on a serious point the codex says you can't FTL towards something because the reapers, who left the tech there in the first place, knew if you could FTL towards something, shuttles would be able to take out reaper capital ships

[Conniving_Eagle]

Normandy should've just Thanixed Harbinger and then crashed into him, problem solved.

[BDelacroix]

It certainly would have fit into their new dark, depressing, lesson in futility reinterpretation of Mass Effect they went for in 3.

[JesseLee202]

v TricKy v wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

So a single Alliance soldier with an assault rifle is a bigger threat than a space ship equipped with powerful Thanix Cannons?

Yeah, ya know, cause the Normandy was totally using those cannons on harby...  <_< 
If they did fire, I bet harby would have roasted them; but he was killing the ground troops at the moment, and the SR2 didn't fire...

And yes, a soldier that makes it up the beam is most definitely a bigger threat than the SR2... Please note how Shep made it up and won the war (a single alliance soldier...)

You do know that they couldnt have won without the Catalysts help? There was no way to get on top besides the Elevator which the Catalyst activated. There was also the Illusive Man who can control other people.
From a pure logical standpoint it doesnt even make sense for Harbinger to guard the Beam because they couldnt have won without help from their leader.

Its funny how you completely missed the point I made. 

So, from a completely logical standpoint... you think Harby would just let them go up the beam unchallenged? 
Its called a first line of defense...
Ask yourself, what would of happened if all those troops made it up there with Shep? TIM would not be able to control them all; the catalyst would see that this cycle proved him wrong, and proceed to activate the elevator. 

Catalyst was in control, he didn't want them to make it up the beam. But when Shep got there, he proved the catalyst wrong... it realised its solution wouldn't work anymore.

The point is, a "single Alliance soldier with an assault rifle" is more dangerous to the Reapers than the Normandy at the beam run.

The evac scene is not as horrible as people around here make it out to be.

Modifié par JesseLee202, 25 juillet 2012 - 02:14 .

[flanny]

JesseLee202 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

So a single Alliance soldier with an assault rifle is a bigger threat than a space ship equipped with powerful Thanix Cannons?

Yeah, ya know, cause the Normandy was totally using those cannons on harby...  <_< 
If they did fire, I bet harby would have roasted them; but he was killing the ground troops at the moment, and the SR2 didn't fire...

And yes, a soldier that makes it up the beam is most definitely a bigger threat than the SR2... Please note how Shep made it up and won the war (a single alliance soldier...)

You do know that they couldnt have won without the Catalysts help? There was no way to get on top besides the Elevator which the Catalyst activated. There was also the Illusive Man who can control other people.
From a pure logical standpoint it doesnt even make sense for Harbinger to guard the Beam because they couldnt have won without help from their leader.

Its funny how you completely missed the point I made. 

So, from a completely logical standpoint... you think Harby would just let them go up the beam unchallenged? 
Its called a first line of defense...
Ask yourself, what would of happened if all those troops made it up there with Shep? TIM would not be able to control them all; the catalyst would see that this cycle proved him wrong, and proceed to activate the elevator.

Catalyst was in control, he didn't want them to make it up the beam. But when Shep got there, he proved the catalyst wrong... it realised its solution wouldn't work anymore.

The point is, a "single Alliance soldier with an assault rifle" is more dangerous to the Reapers than the Normandy at the beam run.

The evac scene is not as horrible as people around here make it out to be.

What?! seriously what you have put makes no sense, this is like the evac scene all over again 

[sumSOTY]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

sumSOTY wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

sumSOTY wrote...
So does the normandy insta porting from outer space to London make little sense. Yes.

*cough* FTL.. *cough*

you never see the normandy leaving FTL speed. you just see it swoop down infront of harby. also, im pretty sure the FTL is only used to cover huge distances. like different solar systems distance. other wise you'd see ships insta porting when they get charged by a giant reaper    or being shot at in general for that matter

With using FTL charging into Earth gravitation field you would probably change crew to something less than Heinz ketchup. 

FTL drives are devices which allow ships to travel at FTL speeds through space. FTL drive cores work by exposing element zero to electric currents, creating mass effect fields. It reduces the mass of an object, such as a starship, to a point where velocities faster than the speed of light are possible.

ya, i read the codex on the idea of flying suicide ships into the reapers, but it said there's some type of fail safe to prevent collision. and the engineering behind FTL is so complex that it's difficult to figure out how to change it. or something along those words.

not sure if you were telling me or the other person this. i'm a lore junky, so i read all the codex's n sh*t. the ME universe had great writting behind it, but they took a giant crap on top of the book when they wrote retake Earth.

[finalcabbage]

Plot Armor is a thing in almost all scifi and fantasy writing. It's the sole reason why the Normandy escapes Earth in the beginning and the sole reason the Normandy is able to pick up your squad mates without getting a scratch.

[NM_Che56]

a load of stanton wrote...

reaper IFF harby thinks its a friendly

Nice ME2 call back!!!

I didn't even think of this!

[Blacklash93]

Harbinger knew he had no chance to break through the combined plot armor of the SR2 and Liara.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 25 juillet 2012 - 04:48 .

[Stalker]

That's the reason.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 25 juillet 2012 - 04:54 .

[krasnoarmeets]

Master Che wrote...

a load of stanton wrote...

reaper IFF harby thinks its a friendly

Nice ME2 call back!!!

I didn't even think of this!

If this were relevant then you wouldn't have to worry about the other reapers in the minigame where you go thorugh starsystems 'pinging' for war assets and such.

[JesseLee202]

flanny wrote...

What?! seriously what you have put makes no sense, this is like the evac scene all over again 

Maybe you would like to talk about what makes no sense instead of posting something that adds nothing to the discussion... <_<

I'll clarify what I said

Tricky was trying to say the Normandy was a bigger threat at the beam run than a normal ground soldier.

I pointed out that is not the case, considering Shep (a single ground troop) made it up the beam and won the war. Catalyst logic is stupid, so I won't even try to explain it again. 

Tricky also said "From a pure logical standpoint it doesnt even make sense for Harbinger to guard the Beam"

And I said, that is the Reaper's first line of defense, and it is completely logical to defend the beam so ground troops could not make it up the beam and activate the ward arms.

Star brat was waiting for one man to get past its defenses, and Shep did.