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[Qror_pl]

If they rocket glitch, are they really worth your attention?

[Shadow Shep]

Devils Advocate here,

Something to think about though, are the missile glitchers who paid real money on packs and don't go on these forums. Yes, cheating is cheating, but the current system is removing things people paid actual money for without any warning. I live in America and I have seen much more miniscule problems go to court, and win.

Modifié par DJCubed, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:09 .

[madmaxmovies]

Sidney wrote...

I doubt anyone doesn't know they are exploiting the game. I've played a lot of ME3 MP. I've never accidentally glitched and never even seen a glitcher (I played silver and odd gold rounds so I'm not in the prime seeing glichters demogrpahic) but if you are right and people assume it is ok you should see it across difficulties. The fact that it takes particular effort and that it is concentrated in money making difficulties tells me this is isn't a case of "oh I thought this was a feature not a bug" types.

Probably didn't explain it quite right - they would know they are exploting bugs, but they potentially don't consider it serious, it's not like they had to download patched code or go to any particular effort, the "feature" is right there in the game as it stands. I could imagine if I was younger and a friend pointed it out to me, I probably would have tried it out also out of curiosity. Everyone I've come across doing it who has a headset sounds like really young kids, I would be leaning towards education rather than punishment. But that's assuming they've only done it a few rounds to bump up some quick supplies - anyone who has been grinding long term for millions of credits, then yeah, punish them more harshly.

[BongMong]

I think you are trying to address the symptom over the cause here. Bioware caused this glitch, and therefore all the cheating, and are not addressing it and are set to profit from the banned having to re-buy the game. I say leave people playing with the game alone. Ban the xbox/origin accounts of all Bioware staff members until they clean up their mess, otherwise glitch+ban waves = profit and is a legitimate approach for future business.

[Bzilla]

While I don't promote cheating, i'm sure some of the glitchers don't even think they are cheating and probably never read the forum or have no idea they can be banned for doing the glitch.

You would think BW would come up with some sort of splash screen commenting on the cheating and stating the consequences (even though they still haven't come out with a splash screen for the events on PS3 yet).

Not trying to defend the cheaters, but BW should at least give a better notice to the ME community that doesn't read BSN. Once everyone knows, the ban hammer can continue.

[Delta Vicious]

Bzilla wrote...

While I don't promote cheating, i'm sure some of the glitchers don't even think they are cheating and probably never read the forum or have no idea they can be banned for doing the glitch.

You would think BW would come up with some sort of splash screen commenting on the cheating and stating the consequences (even though they still haven't come out with a splash screen for the events on PS3 yet).

Not trying to defend the cheaters, but BW should at least give a better notice to the ME community that doesn't read BSN. Once everyone knows, the ban hammer can continue.

Kinda agree, but that wouldn't stop them.

If they played private matches I wouldn't care, actually, they wouldn't be ruining my fun and they wouldn't even risk getting ratted out and banned, but people is stupid.

It's fair to ban them.

Modifié par Delta Vicious, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:50 .

[Mgamerz]

ntrisley wrote...

Blood shot47 wrote...

Thank god I play PC and not xbox, we don't have this problem

Yeah, instead you have people coaelescing game files and one-shotting Brutes with Avenger Xs on Platinum and 500k credit payouts.

Thankfully, you don't have those missile glitchers!<_<

Since march I've only come across 2 modders who were cheating. And I play public matches like 5 times a week, but I stick to private matches. Coalesced modding requires people  with part of a brain... Missile glitching... well... you know.

[upinya slayin]

Blood shot47 wrote...

Thank god I play PC and not xbox, we don't have this problem

thank god i play on xbox and have never seen 1 missle glicther and not on PC where people get dropped into games with a million husks where 1 shot kills everything, you're invincible, and get 10 million credits for beating it.

[Mgamerz]

DJCubed wrote...

Devils Advocate here,

Something to think about though, are the missile glitchers who paid real money on packs and don't go on these forums. Yes, cheating is cheating, but the current system is removing things people paid actual money for without any warning. I live in America and I have seen much more miniscule problems go to court, and win.

That's like buying a house, making it into a meth lab, then getting your house repossessed... You don't get to abuse it [or make meth] and keep it.

upinya slayin wrote...

Blood shot47 wrote...

Thank god I play PC and not xbox, we don't have this problem

thank
god i play on xbox and have never seen 1 missle glicther and not on PC
where people get dropped into games with a million husks where 1 shot
kills everything, you're invincible, and get 10 million credits for
beating it.

Lulz, you haven't played PC. Cause theres like a .5% chance you'll ever see a match like that in public. From the forums nearly 70% of Xbox platinum matches are glitchers. Since march, I've seen maye 3-4 cheats/mods on public servers. If you decide to play tweaked games, doing it in public is the dumbest place to do it. Either there are some intelligent modders who stick to private or there just aren't many PC modders.

Modifié par Mgamerz, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:07 .

[Manimal]

Did you purchase the game with real money? If your answer is yes, then BioWare/EA has no right to permanently prevent you from playing any part of it. If they want to take away your fake money, your N7 score, your progress, then so be it.

[steej]

Manimal wrote...

Did you purchase the game with real money? If your answer is yes, then BioWare/EA has no right to permanently prevent you from playing any part of it. If they want to take away your fake money, your N7 score, your progress, then so be it.

It's like banning someone from these forums, just cos one person used bad language.

...whos exploiting who here?

[Rorioku]

Manimal wrote...

Did you purchase the game with real money? If your answer is yes, then BioWare/EA has no right to permanently prevent you from playing any part of it. If they want to take away your fake money, your N7 score, your progress, then so be it.

not sure if serious
or maybe im reading this wrong

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

sharif227 wrote...

i have friends who do the glitch on xbox and i don't want to see them get banned i tell them that they will get banned for doing it but they thinks its like cod where they just dont care do you guys think its harsh they are banning players for using a glitch and not hacking

edit* i don't do it with them because i like to play fairly and i have reported every missle glitch who isnt my irl friend

Cheating is cheating. They could do a first offense punishment as stripping them of ALL weapons/armor/characters other than what comes at the very beginning and make them start from scratch. Second offense ban hammer.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Manimal wrote...

Did you purchase the game with real money? If your answer is yes, then BioWare/EA has no right to permanently prevent you from playing any part of it. If they want to take away your fake money, your N7 score, your progress, then so be it.

You agree to a terms of service to play the game. If you violate the TOS you can be banned.  A person cheating in multiplayer ruins the experiences of other people so banning is an appropriate punishment.

[Frunchy]

MGers are the same ppl that were credit glitching when the game came out and got lucky they didnt get banned then. Cheaters always going to cheat. ban them all.

[ShadowHound]

Just fix the glitch.

[xtorma]

madmaxmovies wrote...

Warn them, and remove all their gained achievements from the last 2 months. Or wipe their MP manifest entirely. A ban is too harsh - it's a bug, and I wouldn't assume all players realise that it is considered an exploit - otherwise I wouldn't expect to run into so many people doing it.

There should be no action against players caught up in games with glitchers. You can usually spot them in the lobby (anyone sub N7 level 200 carrying a Striker and nothing else of value in a Platinum lobby is obvious), but they can also drop in mid-game, and you can't control it. Earlier today someone dropped out of our Platinum game on an early wave, and after battling it out for 6 or 7 waves with 3 players, a glitcher dropped in on Wave 10. He could have actually killed the targets with a legitimate qty of missiles, but it looked like he let off more than 5 in the end to me. Am I supposed to quit after 35 mins making it that far, on top of which the 3 legit players could have beat the mission anyway if someone hadn't dropped in to do this at the last minute? The sad truth is there are so many people doing this now, it is impossible for legit players to not get caught in games with these guys, no matter how much we'd rather not.

"A ban is too harsh - it's a bug, and I wouldn't assume all players realise that it is considered an exploit - otherwise I wouldn't expect to run into so many people doing it."

You are joking right?

Hmmm my weapon just turned into a missle launcher....i am one hit killing everything! Kill,streaks galore! woohoo I have unlocked a new powerup! This will go great with that bridge I bought in San Francisco, and my new beachhouse in arizona.

As soon as Mila Kunis accepts my marriage proposal, and Bill Gates sends me that 200,000 shares of stock i asked him for, my life will be set!

Wait.....what? I got banned? That wasn't a new powerup? Man thats bullcrap.

[Manimal]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Manimal wrote...

Did you purchase the game with real money? If your answer is yes, then BioWare/EA has no right to permanently prevent you from playing any part of it. If they want to take away your fake money, your N7 score, your progress, then so be it.

You agree to a terms of service to play the game. If you violate the TOS you can be banned.  A person cheating in multiplayer ruins the experiences of other people so banning is an appropriate punishment.

I didn't agree to anything.  All I did was click a little box.  I couldn't play the game without clicking the little box.  I had no option to dispute or revise anything in the EULA, ToS, whatever.  It's a contract of adhesion at best, which rarely holds up to scrutiny.  Neither the EULA nor the ToS change the fact that I paid over $85.00 for this game, and now I can only play half of it.  Add to that the fact that I am STILL waiting for an explanation as to WHY that is, and surely you can understand my frustration.  If you can't, then please send all of your money to me, and I will take care of it for you.

[corporal doody]

dont know if i posted in this one...

but...FAIR...ban um!!

they know what they are doing...they know it is a cheat/exploit. BW says it is a no-no yet they do it anyways.

they lack integrity

[Capt Beans]

Banning in a co-op game... It never really made any sense to me. I would rather Bioware reset the cheaters and fix the glitch.

[Mgamerz]

Manimal wrote...

Did you purchase the game with real money? If your answer is yes, then BioWare/EA has no right to permanently prevent you from playing any part of it. If they want to take away your fake money, your N7 score, your progress, then so be it.

You are licensed to play the game, you do not own the game. They have every right to revoke your MP access because you do not own the multiplayer servers.

Manimal wrote...

I didn't agree to anything.  All I did was click a little box.  I
couldn't play the game without clicking the little box.  I had no option
to dispute or revise anything in the EULA, ToS, whatever.  It's a
contract of adhesion at best, which rarely holds up to scrutiny. 
Neither the EULA nor the ToS change the fact that I paid over $85.00 for
this game, and now I can only play half of it.  Add to that the fact
that I am STILL waiting for an explanation as to WHY that is, and surely
you can understand my frustration.  If you can't, then please send all
of your money to me, and I will take care of it for you.

That's your fault then. If you didn't read the ToS/EULA, and expect 'to strike out certain sections', you are a fool. If you don't agree to the terms, you go back to where you purchased it (including online) and demand a refund /before you play the game/.

Modifié par Mgamerz, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:29 .

[ClockworkSpectre]

Ban them, there is no excuse. It is pretty standard in online games that exploiting glitches is a punishable offense. The punishment may vary in different games though. But, this is something that you shouldn't have to go on the forums to know. Besides, how can you not know doing something like this is cheating? In regards to removing items that they may have spent real money on, they know they are cheating, so they should know they are running that risk.

[ShadowHound]

Seriously. JUST. FIX. THE. GLITCH. All this complaining is pointless. All the "ban or not to ban" questions are ridiculous. Some of you spend more time here then you do on the game. Its a wonder you get anything done.

[Manimal]

Mgamerz wrote...

Manimal wrote...

Did you purchase the game with real money? If your answer is yes, then BioWare/EA has no right to permanently prevent you from playing any part of it. If they want to take away your fake money, your N7 score, your progress, then so be it.

You are licensed to play the game, you do not own the game. They have every right to revoke your MP access because you do not own the multiplayer servers.

Manimal wrote...

I didn't agree to anything.  All I did was click a little box.  I
couldn't play the game without clicking the little box.  I had no option
to dispute or revise anything in the EULA, ToS, whatever.  It's a
contract of adhesion at best, which rarely holds up to scrutiny. 
Neither the EULA nor the ToS change the fact that I paid over $85.00 for
this game, and now I can only play half of it.  Add to that the fact
that I am STILL waiting for an explanation as to WHY that is, and surely
you can understand my frustration.  If you can't, then please send all
of your money to me, and I will take care of it for you.

That's your fault then. If you didn't read the ToS/EULA, and expect 'to strike out certain sections', you are a fool. If you don't agree to the terms, you go back to where you purchased it (including online) and demand a refund /before you play the game/.

     I did not purchase a license, I purchased a game.  I did not pay $50.00 for a digital code that let me download a game.  I paid $85.00 for a hard case with a  game, a patch, and an art booklet in it.  Just because someone has allowed BioWare/EA to call it a license doesn't make it so.  I own the game.  I'm not a fool for  knowing this, you're a fool for believing otherwise.  I am a consumer, and when I purchase a mobile phone, and someone hands me a contract to sign, I amend and revise sections in it all the time.  I typically just have the associate initial the changes, and then we both go on our merry ways.  They may be able to say that the employee did not have the authority to approve those revisions...but then I know far too much about implied authority to fall for that old trick.  Oh, and I may not own the multiplayer servers, but my money did help pay for them...or did I not purchase Mass Effect  and Mass Effect 2, either?  Oh, that's right.

Modifié par Manimal, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:38 .

[Friction2600]

Epsilon330 wrote...

They know what they're doing is wrong. Removing them will be a favour to the playerbase.
Don't try to hide them just because they're your friends. Report them.

just because you play online multiplayer doest mean you have a computer, or for that matter go onto these forums. this is the only place that outlines these "ban-able offenses." you are assuming that because you know, they know. and honestly it is not common sense that exploiting a piece of poorly written code and doing something that the game allows you to do with no modifications to game files or code would result in you losing your ability to play the game.