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[Mgamerz]

Manimal wrote...

Mgamerz wrote...

Manimal wrote...

Did you purchase the game with real money? If your answer is yes, then BioWare/EA has no right to permanently prevent you from playing any part of it. If they want to take away your fake money, your N7 score, your progress, then so be it.

You are licensed to play the game, you do not own the game. They have every right to revoke your MP access because you do not own the multiplayer servers.

Manimal wrote...

I didn't agree to anything.  All I did was click a little box.  I
couldn't play the game without clicking the little box.  I had no option
to dispute or revise anything in the EULA, ToS, whatever.  It's a
contract of adhesion at best, which rarely holds up to scrutiny. 
Neither the EULA nor the ToS change the fact that I paid over $85.00 for
this game, and now I can only play half of it.  Add to that the fact
that I am STILL waiting for an explanation as to WHY that is, and surely
you can understand my frustration.  If you can't, then please send all
of your money to me, and I will take care of it for you.

That's your fault then. If you didn't read the ToS/EULA, and expect 'to strike out certain sections', you are a fool. If you don't agree to the terms, you go back to where you purchased it (including online) and demand a refund /before you play the game/.

     I did not purchase a license, I purchased a game.  I did not pay $50.00 for a digital code that let me download a game.  I paid $85.00 for a hard case with a  game, a patch, and an art booklet in it.  Just because someone has allowed BioWare/EA to call it a license doesn't make it so.  I own the game.  I'm not a fool for  knowing this, you're a fool for believing otherwise.  I am a consumer, and when I purchase a mobile phone, and someone hands me a contract to sign, I amend and revise sections in it all the time.  I typically just have the associate initial the changes, and then we both go on our merry ways.  They may be able to say that the employee did not have the authority to approve those revisions...but then I know far too much about implied authority to fall for that old trick.  Oh, and I may not own the multiplayer servers, but my money did help pay for them...or did I not purchase Mass Effect  and Mass Effect 2, either?

You bought the DISC, and a license TO PLAY THE GAME ON THE DISC. Just like buying MS office - you buy the DISC, and you also buy THE LICENSE.

www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20111209/08380617021/microsoft-reminds-everyone-you-do-not-own-your-software.shtml

Modifié par Mgamerz, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:40 .

[InfamousResult]

Manimal wrote...

I didn't agree to anything.  All I did was click a little box.  I couldn't play the game without clicking the little box.  I had no option to dispute or revise anything in the EULA, ToS, whatever.  It's a contract of adhesion at best, which rarely holds up to scrutiny.  Neither the EULA nor the ToS change the fact that I paid over $85.00 for this game, and now I can only play half of it.  Add to that the fact that I am STILL waiting for an explanation as to WHY that is, and surely you can understand my frustration.  If you can't, then please send all of your money to me, and I will take care of it for you.

You made a one-time payment of $10 ( because that is, in fact, how much a Multiplayer Pass costs ) for a service, not a product- and all services come with Terms of Service which, no, you cannot change. They can be terminated if you violate the Terms, and it is up to the scrutiny of the service provider, especially if your violation was part of the contract when you signed it ( and you did sign it by clicking that box ). This is true for all online services provided, including pretty much all online games. They can ban you in all online games. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but that's just how it is.

Until somebody actually takes Bioware ( or any game company who's ever banned a player, ever ) to court over this and proves otherwise, this contract does hold up, and is what we're basing this conversation around. You do not have grounds to stand on. These people violated their Terms of Service, they can and should be banned.

[Manimal]

Did you miss the part where I said that contracts of adhesion rarely hold up to scrutiny? Look it up.

[Mgamerz]

Manimal wrote...

Did you miss the part where I said that contracts of adhesion rarely hold up to scrutiny? Look it up.

Did you misunderstand the part where you agreed to the terms of service in order to use multiplayer?

Since you didn't read it earlier, here's a chance to brush up on your EULA reading skills

edit: fixed

Modifié par Mgamerz, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:45 .

[InfamousResult]

Manimal wrote...

Did you miss the part where I said that contracts of adhesion rarely hold up to scrutiny? Look it up.

I didn't miss it.

I just don't see any proof. And the burden of proof is on you.

I can say "the court system has legally declared everything Manimal says to be forever wrong". You should immediately believe me. And if you can't find proof, I'm sorry, you're just not looking hard enough.

[Fliprot]

What I dont get is how people endlessly discuss what you be done to glitchers instead of demanding BW fix the glitch.

Makes me think a lot of people that say they arent doing it, do it.

It's annoying to not have anything to kill, but I dont waste my time reporting people, because BW isnt paying me to be the ME police.

I cant imagine why they have purposely let it go on for so long, Because they have, for some reason.

[Manimal]

Ha, from Microsoft? My grandchildren could live off of a half of one percent of the money they spend defending lawsuits because of practices like these. Just imagine what their proft margin would be if they treated their customers like customers instead of terrorists.

[Mgamerz]

Fliprot wrote...

What I dont get is how people endlessly discuss what you be done to glitchers instead of demanding BW fix the glitch.

Makes me think a lot of people that say they arent doing it, do it.

It's annoying to not have anything to kill, but I dont waste my time reporting people, because BW isnt paying me to be the ME police.

I cant imagine why they have purposely let it go on for so long, Because they have, for some reason.

So... they should rush a patch out to fix it that could potentially create a medigel glitch instead?

[L. Han]

It isn't entirely the players fault in this, it's unfair to ban them outright completely.
Probably better to give a penalty to the people who abused this glitch, reduced credits, etc etc.

[ShadowHound]

Fliprot wrote...

What I dont get is how people endlessly discuss what you be done to glitchers instead of demanding BW fix the glitch.

Makes me think a lot of people that say they arent doing it, do it.

It's annoying to not have anything to kill, but I dont waste my time reporting people, because BW isnt paying me to be the ME police.

I cant imagine why they have purposely let it go on for so long, Because they have, for some reason.

i didnt say it in as many words but bravo.
fix the glitch.

[InfamousResult]

Rickets wrote...

It isn't entirely the players fault in this, it's unfair to ban them outright completely.

The player did something wrong.

How is it not their fault that they did something wrong?

[Immortal Strife]

I'm no rat so I don't report. I would never cheat nor play with a cheater, I just can't condone or do it, it's not in my make-up. Unfortunately I have reached the point where it is incredibly frustrating to attempt to play platinum or even associate with friends who have turned to the dark side to improve their manifest. This game is becoming intolerable like high level play was on Halo 2, but instead of chasing a symbol ME players are chasing guns.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:03 .

[ShadowHound]

Mgamerz wrote...

Fliprot wrote...

What I dont get is how people endlessly discuss what you be done to glitchers instead of demanding BW fix the glitch.

Makes me think a lot of people that say they arent doing it, do it.

It's annoying to not have anything to kill, but I dont waste my time reporting people, because BW isnt paying me to be the ME police.

I cant imagine why they have purposely let it go on for so long, Because they have, for some reason.

So... they should rusha patch out to fix it that could potentially create a medigel glitch instead?

rush? whos rushing? theyve known for how long? no rushing just fixing

[Mgamerz]

That one flew right over your head.

[InfamousResult]

Also, in response to "contracts of adhesion", since I can only assume this "hurr durr we paid money we can't be banned" nonsense will be brought up again:

The Terms of Service we agreed to is not a contract of adhesion. The EULA and Privacy Policy that come alongside the Terms even out the agreement so that both sides have their rights, and even if you believe that the Terms are a "contract of adhesion", there are many other reasonably available market alternatives ( which was the only defining factor in Bragg vs Linden Lab ) that offer the same services as the Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer experience.

So no claims of "contract of adhesion" would stand up in court.

They can ban you. You have to take it. Don't cheat. Period.

[steej]

Fliprot wrote...

What I dont get is how people endlessly discuss what you be done to glitchers instead of demanding BW fix the glitch.

Makes me think a lot of people that say they arent doing it, do it.

It's annoying to not have anything to kill, but I dont waste my time reporting people, because BW isnt paying me to be the ME police.

I cant imagine why they have purposely let it go on for so long, Because they have, for some reason.

Can you not?

Our only way around this turd is to go out and buy another online pass or a new copy of the game.
can you say 'exploitation'?

[KnightOscar]

While I don't use it because well I'm completely unable to and plus it makes the game too ez mode, I really don't think it should be a bannable offense. It isn't like this is a competetive game where GOTTA GET THE FRAGZ ON DA PLAYURZ. This is a co-op experience. It isn't like we're using exploits AGAINST other players. If anything it is helping them get easy credits. Instead of banning why not instead use your manpower on fixing the issue instead of barring people from playing? Kind of **** how people buy a game for 60 dollars and eventually not be able to play because of using a glitch that Bioware fails to find/fix.

[steej]

InfamousResult wrote...

Also, in response to "contracts of adhesion", since I can only assume this "hurr durr we paid money we can't be banned" nonsense will be brought up again:

The Terms of Service we agreed to is not a contract of adhesion. The EULA and Privacy Policy that come alongside the Terms even out the agreement so that both sides have their rights, and even if you believe that the Terms are a "contract of adhesion", there are many other reasonably available market alternatives ( which was the only defining factor in Bragg vs Linden Lab ) that offer the same services as the Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer experience.

So no claims of "contract of adhesion" would stand up in court.

They can ban you. You have to take it. Don't cheat. Period.

I didnt cheat.
I exploited no one or nothing.
I did nothing detailed in the bloody ToS, I have been unjustly banned!

Capisce?

[xtorma]

Mgamerz wrote...

Fliprot wrote...

What I dont get is how people endlessly discuss what you be done to glitchers instead of demanding BW fix the glitch.

Makes me think a lot of people that say they arent doing it, do it.

It's annoying to not have anything to kill, but I dont waste my time reporting people, because BW isnt paying me to be the ME police.

I cant imagine why they have purposely let it go on for so long, Because they have, for some reason.

So... they should rush a patch out to fix it that could potentially create a medigel glitch instead?

Yes , rushing a patch is most definatly not one of thier strong suits. Actually patches, aren't one of their strong suits.

[elecmanexe001]

I can't believe people that are blatantly cheating, and know it, don't get why they would get punished. It's clearly not something meant to be in the game, why would they give unlimited rockets? But people do it regardless of common sense. "Oh the store is so bad I have to do it" and you are gonna loose everything you unlocked for it, you wasted more time then trying to just grind up the credits. Matches don't take that long anyway, even gold.

[BongMong]

At the end of the day it's my server. If I want to run with mods on my server then that should be my choice. I run my servers as I wish, and I let BW do the same. If Bioware want to take down my server then I should be able to take down theirs. Such fights are unnecessary though.

All BW need do is not grant credits to modded servers then all's fair and fine. Modders can even do this themselves, but will still face the ban it seems. One has to wonder why... oh yes. An excuse to ban is what BW want so to make cash off repeat purchases.

Please, no pop up warning as has been suggested here. It takes ages for that advert to download every time there's a weekend event (and I have a cable 100meg down stream) or dlc and it does it every time one exits a lobby to go to the MP main menu. Please don't make these slow adverts a permanent feature.

[InfamousResult]

steej wrote...

I didnt cheat.
I exploited no one or nothing.
I did nothing detailed in the bloody ToS, I have been unjustly banned!

Capisce?

I capisce what you're saying.
But it's a matter of believing you, or believeing Bioware.

I choose to believe them over you.

Capisce?

[SinerAthin]

I think it would be better to just fix the bug rather than ban people.