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[Dintonta]

rev0n wrote...

Oh my god, why not just marry Anora to Alistair(hardened)? So Anora rules the way she wants - what is good for Fereldan - while Alistair becomes the good-king and rules jointly with a mastermind.

Because if we are to side with Orlais in DA3, and if a conflict is really about to happen with Ferelden (which I doubt) our best interest would be to put the worst ruler on the throne of Ferelden...

[Dave of Canada]

But when you're not meta-gaming, your protagonist in Origins cares more about Ferelden unless they're looking to be a puppeteer themselves.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Dintonta wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Orlais is gonna ****ing suck. Does anyone remember Majoleine? What a terrible accent. Now imagine everyone in the game sounding like her.

For a guy who seems to have a "<3Sexy Leli Forever<3" branded on the skin, you sound a bit strange, do you know?

I don't think so. Leliana's accent was very nice and wasn't too strong. Majoleine sounded ridiculous and annoying. Even Lady Isolde had a nice accent, I thought.

But if they all sound like Majoleine, count me out.

www.youtube.com/watch 

Leliana's accent is a nice touch. Majoleine's accent is incredibly strong and just plain annoying to listen to.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 29 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[Dintonta]

Dave of Canada wrote...

But when you're not meta-gaming, your protagonist in Origins cares more about Ferelden unless they're looking to be a puppeteer themselves.

...Furthermore if they equally distrust all the possible candidates to the throne...

[Dintonta]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Dintonta wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Orlais is gonna ****ing suck. Does anyone remember Majoleine? What a terrible accent. Now imagine everyone in the game sounding like her.

For a guy who seems to have a "<3Sexy Leli Forever<3" branded on the skin, you sound a bit strange, do you know?

I don't think so. Leliana's accent was very nice and wasn't too strong. Majoleine sounded ridiculous and annoying. Even Lady Isolde had a nice accent, I thought.

But if they all sound like Majoleine, count me out.

www.youtube.com/watch 

Leliana's accent is a nice touch. Majoleine's accent is incredibly strong and just plain annoying to listen to.

I agree with you, plus I would say I really dislike Lady Isolde's accent too... Marjolaine and her have really exaggerated accents (which is strange for the former because, as a master spy, she shouldn't). But Leliana and Riordan are much more *normal* (actually I didn't heard that Riordan had an accent before I read it on BSN).

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Dintonta wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Dintonta wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Orlais is gonna ****ing suck. Does anyone remember Majoleine? What a terrible accent. Now imagine everyone in the game sounding like her.

For a guy who seems to have a "<3Sexy Leli Forever<3" branded on the skin, you sound a bit strange, do you know?

I don't think so. Leliana's accent was very nice and wasn't too strong. Majoleine sounded ridiculous and annoying. Even Lady Isolde had a nice accent, I thought.

But if they all sound like Majoleine, count me out.

www.youtube.com/watch 

Leliana's accent is a nice touch. Majoleine's accent is incredibly strong and just plain annoying to listen to.

I agree with you, plus I would say I really dislike Lady Isolde's accent too... Marjolaine and her have really exaggerated accents (which is strange for the former because, as a master spy, she shouldn't). But Leliana and Riordan are much more *normal* (actually I didn't heard that Riordan had an accent before I read it on BSN).

Yeah. Riordan and Duncan had nice accents. I think Duncan was from Orlais.

[Han Shot First]

Given the scenario the OP presented, where it is a war between Ferelden and Orlais and the player character was Orlesian...I'd most likely side with Orlais.

In RPGs I try to roleplay my character according to their backgrounds, and how I think that shapes their worldview. So I'd try and stay in character with an Orlesian, and have him be more sympathetic to Orlais than Ferelden even though I may personally prefer Ferelden. It would have to be a very compelling reason for me to have my player character betray his nation.

 Likewise if the player character was from Ferelden I'd probably have him side with Ferelden.

Yeah. Riordan and Duncan had nice accents. I think Duncan was from Orlais.

Duncan was from Rivain, like Isabella. That is why he appears a little bit more dark than the people of Ferelden. (the Rivaini have darker hair and skin tones)

He was of mixed parentage however. His father was from Ferelden and his mother Rivaini, IIRC.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:37 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I know he was from Rivain, but I think he moved to Orlais and stayed there for most of his life.

[ladyofpayne]

Stroud and Riordan have very nice accent.

[Chipaway111]

Jumping in on a few discussions here...

- I actually really like Anora, she's strong, she's capable, and she didn't let her husbands death cause her to spiral into a terrible depression. Anora also isn't bound by loyalty, I'm sure it's perfectly strong when she needs it to be, but despite him being her father she would speak against him in the Landsmeet to make sure Fereldan is saved (in my games anyway...)

- I like Loghain even more. I'm not even going to try and describe why.

- Leliana's accent is great; soft, subtle and nice. Speaking to Marjolaine is like nuzzling against a cheese-grater.

[brushyourteeth]

ladyofpayne wrote...

Stroud and Riordan have very nice accent.

Stroud's accent is what happens when you filter the classic Orlesian accent through a fabulous moustache!

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[ladyofpayne]

brushyourteeth wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...

Stroud and Riordan have very nice accent.

Stroud's accent is what happens when you filter the classic Orlesian accent through a fabulous moustache!

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Nice mutches. I want to touch it.:innocent:

[Arthur Cousland]

I'd have a hard time siding with Orlais against Ferelden. Ferelden ousting the Orlesians from their country feels a lot like the American Revolution, and gaining independence from the English. I enjoy fighting against the people in power in my rpgs, not fight with them.

Also, what little we know of Orlais (I haven't read the books) is that they let their chevaliers have their way with the commoners, they seem to be all about status, and Baron Arlange is Orlesian.

[thats1evildude]

ladyofpayne wrote...

Stroud and Riordan have very nice accent.

No wonder, they have the same voice actor. 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:09 .

[Sealy]

Is it Feralden vs Orlais? During Asunder I know Orlais is being attacked but I can't rememeber who was doing the attacking.

[Silfren]

ladyofpayne wrote...

'Better? She wants to build a university - the first of its kind in Ferelden - and she manages to refill the royal coffers. I think she's an excellent Queen.'

Anora so blind of her crown that she can betray her own father. She will also betray Warden who resqued her when she want Treirin throne. She forget about death of her husband because father give her a throne.
She just possesed her lust for power, Maker she will just kill Alistair if he will try to do anything that she don't want him doing.  
Cailan want to divorce her and marry Celine, I am for him.  Anora is a snake.  

Rulers like her, who want power for themselves alway do worse their people.
Alistair want to be a king because he feels his duty to protect Ferelden.

Nope.  Anora doesn't betray Logan because she's "blinded" by her crown.  She "betrays" him because she can see the damage he is causing to the nation of Ferelden.  Suggesting that it was cruel and inhumane of her to "betray" him simply because he was her father is essentially having an expectation that because he is her father, she has an obligation to ignore all the harm Loghain is causing.  THAT would be the result of blindness, not this ridiculous, emotionally-laden requirement you have that she support Loghain at the cost of Ferelden's land and peoples.

Also, Logahin did not "give" her a throne.  She already had it.  The game makes clear that the nobility and even the common people all were aware that she was the actual strength behind the throne, the one actually doing all the work.  As far as that went, nothing really changed when Cailan died.  Neither Loghain nor the Landsmeet was needed to MAKE her the queen, but to officially confirm what everyone already knew to be true and was apparently quite satisfied with.  


Anora ONLY wants to have Alistair executed
if Loghain is left alive.  Notice that she makes no mention whatsoever
of having him killed on any and all playthroughs where Loghain ends up
dead.  Even if Alistair is the one to kill Loghain.  There'
more than a hint involved here that her motivation for having him
executed is that she fears Alistair would challenge her for the throne
for no other reason than exacting vengeance against her father.  This in
turn indicates that Anora is all too aware of how little Alistair
actually wants to rule.  Even a hardened
Alistair makes no comment about wanting to depose her if she is made
queen without him, as long as Loghain is dead.  He even THANKS the
Warden, even if hardened, for not making him king.  

It's made rather plain from Eamon's correspondences with Cailan that the latter did not actually want to divorce Anora.  There's
an implication that Cailan eventually started to come around to the
idea.  Given his initial anger toward Eamon for raising the suggestion,
I'd say that Cailan cared a great deal for Anora.

You seem to be
spending a lot of time basing your assumptions about Anora on your
personal dislike of her, not anything actually found in the game.  Hence
my remark about separating one's personal opinion of Anora's
personality from their opinion of her ability to rule.  Anora doesn't have to be a likeable person in order to be a capable queen.

Modifié par Silfren, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:42 .

[Silfren]

ladyofpayne wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Good men have been terrible kings. And bad men have been excellent kings.
Anora is intelligent, conniving, political savvy. These are all traits a good king needs.

Calenhad was good men. He was terrible king?
I don't arguing with that- she is clever,experienced but still a backstabbing b*tch. Fereldan deserves better queen, so in DA 3 I will execute her.
Also is she is so good queen where army her loyal fereldans? Only Warden can resue her. She didn't heve a comrades. 

Bah.  They weren't saying that Calenhad was a bad king.  They were trying to point out that being a good man is NO indicator that they absolutely WILL be a good king.  But frankly there is an argument to be made that Calenhad was NOT a very good king.  Hell, he even abandoned his throne and left his unborn son to pick up the pieces.  

Beyond that, you're making some really pathetic arguments.  She didn't have an army of loyal Fereldens rushing to her rescue and this means she's not a good queen?  Seriously, you think that is a solid argument for your case?  Do you have any notion of how kingdoms operate?

[Silfren]

erilben wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...
Anora don't give mages freedom or elves human rights.

What are you even talking about? Unlike Alistair, Anora will grant the Ferelden Circle boon. It maybe a bug, but you can't get the boon to work under Alistair.

It's a bug.  Both monarchs will grant all the boons a Warden requests. 

[Silfren]

ladyofpayne wrote...

"Bhelen certainly proves the second part of that statement true."
Bhelen made a great deal- he get Untochables chances to be like any dwarves.
Anora don't give mages freedom or elves human rights.

I'm beginning to think you've never even played the game.  Anora DOES give the mages freedom, exactly the same as Alistair does.  It's ultimately meaningless because the Chantry refuses the boon to either monarch, but you simply do not know what you're talking about if you claim that Anora doesn't give mages the same freedom Alistair does.

[Silfren]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Dintonta wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Dintonta wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Orlais is gonna ****ing suck. Does anyone remember Majoleine? What a terrible accent. Now imagine everyone in the game sounding like her.

For a guy who seems to have a "<3Sexy Leli Forever<3" branded on the skin, you sound a bit strange, do you know?

I don't think so. Leliana's accent was very nice and wasn't too strong. Majoleine sounded ridiculous and annoying. Even Lady Isolde had a nice accent, I thought.

But if they all sound like Majoleine, count me out.

www.youtube.com/watch 

Leliana's accent is a nice touch. Majoleine's accent is incredibly strong and just plain annoying to listen to.

I agree with you, plus I would say I really dislike Lady Isolde's accent too... Marjolaine and her have really exaggerated accents (which is strange for the former because, as a master spy, she shouldn't). But Leliana and Riordan are much more *normal* (actually I didn't heard that Riordan had an accent before I read it on BSN).

Yeah. Riordan and Duncan had nice accents. I think Duncan was from Orlais.

Uh.  Duncan did not have an Orlesian accent.  

[ladyofpayne]

Intresting- how freledans call orlesians? Frog eaters? Orlesian give them nic "doglords".

[brushyourteeth]

ladyofpayne wrote...

Intresting- how freledans call orlesians? Frog eaters? Orlesian give them nic "doglords".

Orlesians = "lickspittles" --- not sure why. 

[Das Tentakel]

brushyourteeth wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...

Intresting- how freledans call orlesians? Frog eaters? Orlesian give them nic "doglords".

Orlesians = "lickspittles" --- not sure why. 

Lickspittles= 'A contemptible, fawning person; a servile flatterer or toady'

Not so difficult, it pretty much describes the cliché view of, say, French Ancien Régime courtiers, and by extension of French in general, as well as more 'southern' Europeans as a whole.
The Dutch equivalent would be 'slijmbal' or better still, 'slijmerd'. I think English-speakers will guess the meaning of these words ).

Bioware are clearly playing with this, with 'dog-lord' having connotations of smelly, crude people, while 'lickspittle' stresses the reverse. They are playing with old prejudices anyway, the stereotype view of French, or southern Europeans for that matter, as being servile is an old and common one.

It's in contradiction with other stereotypes like southerners being proud, arrogant and touchy, but hey, ethnic stereotypes aren't known for being either rational or true.



Talking about clichés...





You get one guess who got bankrupt bankrolling the Anglo-Dutch wars against France...
Also, one guess which nation nicked Dutch colonies while we were under French occupation.

History of stereotypes, hilarious

P.S. Down with Orlais and Ferelden! Anderfels über alles!:innocent:

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 01 août 2012 - 09:01 .

[Dintonta]

Das Tentakel wrote...
[...]
...History of stereotypes, hilarious
[...]

Absolutely!

(Btw, I have read with interest what you wrote in this thread :
What type of orlesians you want in Dragon Age III (Possible Spoilers)  _OP : ladyofpayne.
in lurk mode... sorry.

But even if BW could have handled those stereotypes more lightly, don't forget that in DA they have a cause (which do not mean they are true) and maybe some unexpected potential...

Consider what we know about the Orlesian nobles :
They are mostly cruel and foppish. They have lost their real hierarchic titles. They are forbidden to fight directly against each others (hence the existence of the Game).
It seems they have long been under the firm control of the imperial crown, but this could change...

BW established that first impression about Orlesians while the main DA:O character was a Fereldan.
Since BW has always taken a great care to show us the DAverse only through the very eyes of its protagonists, and since Orlais has brutally occupied Ferelden, its rather logical that the Fereldans perceive Orlaisians as cruel people.

That's for the 'cruel' part of Orlesian character (I guess it would be the easier part to correct in DA3...)

About the other parts, though, the cliché becomes much more interresting... And, actually, it is not without any parallel with the historical France :
As you stated in the quoted thread, the medieval France was a collection of nearly independant regions.
However it has become over time a very strongly centralized state ('Paris and the French desert').
If you read through the 'canon' French History with a mind to defend a 'federal' POV, you could as well look at it as the History of one only city (Paris) securing a territory as vast as possible around itself.
Orlais has not a very different History : It was at first a collection of warring city-states, until the ruler of one united them all into a single very centralized country.

The Orlaisian rulers seem very keen about keeping their nobles in line, what could actually translate by : Their nobles were (and continue to be) so very seditious that they needed to be that much controlled.

Again, the French Kingdom History is not without similitude : Machiavel, in 'The Prince',  pointed out the France as the ultimate example of a country where seizing the power from inside would be the easiest (as opposed to the Turkish Ottoman Empire.) Since there were always many factions of discontended nobles ready to hatch a coup.
He added, for this very reason, it was also the country where keeping the power was the most difficult...

That's where the stereotypical 'foppiness' comes into play : You have already suggested (in ladyofpayne's afore mentioned thread) this cliché could come from the Court of Louis XIV (I think it's a bit older, but it would be too long to develop, wouldn't change much, and besides, it is sure that his Court really deserved that reputation).

Louis XIV, precisely, suffered while he was a child from one of the strongest nobles' rebellion : 'La Fronde' ('The Sling') during which he was held prisoner in his own castle by very powerful nobles and rich commoners, who tried to exploit his youth to force him to do their bidding. Since the Cardinal Mazarin (his main supporter and the successor of Richelieu) was on the run while gathering his army, the 'child-king' had to delay the nobles' demands (for they would have probably disposed of him as soon as he would have agreed to them).
He had no way to harm them but was very well trained as a dancer and had a passion for Theater. He used both to discourage any serious discussion with his captors (since they were themselves divided, they couldn't force him too openly without handicap).

When he became adult this 'Theater Politic' became an obsession.
He commanded a palace to be build in Versailles : At safe distance from Paris, since he distrusted as well the rich commoners who lived in the city.

He transformed the daily life of all its residents in a play in which he was the absolute center of focus.
He ordered for himself the most  expensive (and rather foppish) clothes and forced his whole Court to follow his example.
Since he was an absolute king (a complete tyrant) he wasn't too afraid to fall in debt for that sort of personal expenses.
The nobles, however, had to pay... And they ruined themselves.

His spies opened every letter the nobles would send to their relatives out of their 'golden prison'.
He used frequently poison, and arbitrary arrestations were common.
Since he was such a well trained dancer and actor, he controlled each of his move or glance, each one of his words was carefuly weighted. He made a ritualized public show of his daily life's every details (including waking up and going to the toilets).
He could endure to live under the constant scrutiny of an army of courtesans who desperately tried to read their fate in every discreet sign or silence from him.

The nobles gathered in his palace, and kept loosing steadily every bit of their own remaining power, out of (legitimate) fear of retalation, but much more because they were bound in this gilded cage by... their own pride.

Now the parallel with Orlais :
We can imagine emperors who aren't themselves lulled by the Orlaisian supposed foppy pride... Who actually use it to keep their own nobility in line (low and dependent on money)
Where Loghain would ruin his own country over an absurd civil war, despite the pressing matter of the Blight,
Empress Celene would just have to give a ball... For much better results.

Pure personal supposition, but despite what Leliana believes, I'm pretty sure that there is, inside the whole bardic loose organization, a 'cell' of elite bards who control the others, in the interest of the crown.

Last but not least, if you consider what really supports the Orlesian crown, I would say it is not a powerful army,
nor a secret organization, nor a superstitious religion,
it is a power far more superior : The human pride...
And we all know where, in the hierarchy of demons, it is situated.
I wouldn't be too surprised if  'pious' Drakkon's crown had a bunch of very powerful Pride Demons bound into service by some past blood mages... (Which, Btw, would give an interresting twist into the Chantry's Home History.)

Sorry to have make this so long, but I thought it could have been interresting to see how basic stereotypes could sometimes reveal a little bit more potential, when squeezed.

Modifié par Dintonta, 01 août 2012 - 03:10 .

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Das Tentakel wrote...
P.S. Down with Orlais and Ferelden! Anderfels über alles!:innocent:

I could get on board with this.