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[RyanSoup]

Ignoring her idiotic racism in the first game, can someone please explain to me why Ashley feels the need to be a giant douche to Shepard after ME1?  I mean, it seems like she's pretty quick to forget who saved her life not only on Horizon, but also Eden Prime and Virmire, and then saved the galaxy to boot.  She could be a bit more grateful like Tali, who I only had to save twice.  Instead, she turns around and accuses Shep of treason, as if she had the capacity to compare with Shepard in any way.  Then she gets this magic promotion, while still demonstrating just how submissive and crazy she is on Mars.  "I know you saved me and the galaxy and all, but I can't forgive you for working with a group that I really have no personal quarrel with."

I mean hell, Cerberus really didn't play a huge part in ME1 anyway
So what's the deal

[legion999]

She's not. ****ing. Racist.

But yeah, her Cerberus hatred went way too far. If you shoot her on the coup mission she'll sometimes even say she hopes the Reapers will send you to hell.

[SpamBot2000]

Hell hath no fury etc.

[RyanSoup]

legion999 wrote...

She's not. ****ing. Racist.

But yeah, her Cerberus hatred went way too far. If you shoot her on the coup mission she'll sometimes even say she hopes the Reapers will send you to hell.

She's pretty overtly racist in the first game.

[Generic Screen Name]

RyanSoup wrote...

legion999 wrote...

She's not. ****ing. Racist.

But yeah, her Cerberus hatred went way too far. If you shoot her on the coup mission she'll sometimes even say she hopes the Reapers will send you to hell.

She's pretty overtly racist in the first game.

Nope.

Modifié par Generic Screen Name, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:55 .

[nhsknudsen]

Tell me why she tells Terra Firma to pack their **** up then and leave?

She only states that humanity should not cater to alien interests before their own, as aliens will surely cater to their interests before humans.

Kinda the same way nations work on Earth, really. How alarmingly racist...

[Arken]

Ashley is more xenophobic than racist. She sees aliens as different than humans, but doesn't inherently wish them or ill. When Ashley meets members of Terra Firma, she even points out she doesn't approve of their hostility towards aliens. She just thinks humans need to find their own place in the galaxy.

This is why Ashley's reaction to Cerberus pisses me off. Cerberus represents everything Ashley believes in, and yet she is intent on hating the organization even before they went completely brain dead.

[legion999]

RyanSoup wrote...

legion999 wrote...

She's not. ****ing. Racist.

But yeah, her Cerberus hatred went way too far. If you shoot her on the coup mission she'll sometimes even say she hopes the Reapers will send you to hell.

She's pretty overtly racist in the first game.

No. She thinks humanity should come first because the other races will do the exact same thing (look after themselves). 

Modifié par legion999, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:02 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

OP, change your thread title. It comes across as inflammatory, and even if you bring up some valid criticisms, present them in a polite manner. Right now, you'll likely be judged as a troll.

[nhsknudsen]

Arken wrote...

Ashley is more xenophobic than racist. She sees aliens as different than humans, but doesn't inherently wish them or ill. When Ashley meets members of Terra Firma, she even points out she doesn't approve of their hostility towards aliens. She just thinks humans need to find their own place in the galaxy.

This is why Ashley's reaction to Cerberus pisses me off. Cerberus represents everything Ashley believes in, and yet she is intent on hating the organization even before they went completely brain dead.

Cerberus is also responsible for some pretty atrocious terrorist acts.

Ashley believes in the Alliance and that humanity should find their own place through that. Not by committing atrocities.

Her hate for Cerberus, killing alliance personnel, is pretty understandable considering her family history.

Modifié par nhsknudsen, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:04 .

[v TricKy v]

RyanSoup wrote...

legion999 wrote...

She's not. ****ing. Racist.

But yeah, her Cerberus hatred went way too far. If you shoot her on the coup mission she'll sometimes even say she hopes the Reapers will send you to hell.

She's pretty overtly racist in the first game.

Did you even had conversations with her or are you just basing your argument on one remark of her?
Because if you talked to her you would know that she is not a racist. She hates even the Terra Firma Party because they have a lot of racist people in there.

[Psycho Mantis I]

I still can't believe there are people that think she is racist... when she's really not.

I can only say bad writing especially in ME2 when you meet her in Horizon...In ME3 though i agree she was kinda annoying when she kept on saying i don't trust you for working for Cerberus a lot of times.

[Adugan]

Troll thread

Modifié par Adugan, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:10 .

[Rhayak]

I don't know what happened to her between ME1 and ME3.

In ME1 she was overly aggressive and full of prejudices (ok, not racist, but still she'd ask you to lock up Wrex & Garrus because she didn't like them lounging about in the garage).

Then, on ME3, she's on thorazine even more than Kaidan O_O

Meh, i never really liked her. The only time i actually used her was when my Adept in ME1 needed some meat shielding.
That same Adept even romanced her but that was just because Tali was still unavailable.

[ElementL09]

I kinda hate how Ashley brings up Cerberus. Like give it a rest. You didn't come with me in Mass Effect 2, I went back to the alliance after the events of Mass Effect 2 and was basically put on house arrest and now I'm back in Mass Effect 3 fighting the good fight and she's still skeptical of me and Cerberus? WTF.

[RyanSoup]

Rhayak wrote...
Meh, i never really liked her. The only time i actually used her was when my Adept in ME1 needed some meat shielding.
That same Adept even romanced her but that was just because Tali was still unavailable.

Ha.  I did exactly the same thing, for the exact same reasons

[Soltana]

1.) Alenko dies heroically on Virmire
2.) Call Ashley out on her BS on Horizon
3.) Put her down like a dog during the coup
4.) Lol when she tells you she hopes the Reapers send you to hell
????
5.) Profit!




Also inb4 waifu war.

[Ageless Face]

Ashley, a tool? Um, no. The fact she didn't join Shepard and stayed loyal to her principles kind of shows she's not one.

And by the way, Cerberus are terrosrists. Even if they didn't play a big part in ME1, they still did some nasty things. The Alliance needed to handle with them more than enough times. Hell, Alliance even thought Horizon was going to get hit by Cerberus. Ashley did nothing on Mars that any rational person with a brain won't do. Shepard did nothing to make Ashley believe s/he's the same person she once knew. For all Ashley knows, Shepard is still a terrorist, working with Cerberus or not.

[RyanSoup]

v TricKy v wrote...
Did you even had conversations with her or are you just basing your argument on one remark of her?
Because if you talked to her you would know that she is not a racist. She hates even the Terra Firma Party because they have a lot of racist people in there.

That's toward the end of the game, bro.  You're cherry picking examples that don't fit.  She's pretty open about it early on in the game

[Conniving_Eagle]

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

"Look, if you're fighting a bear, and your only way to survive is to sic your dog at it and run, you'll do it. As much as you love your dog it isn't human. It's not racism, not really. Members of their species will always be more important to them than humans are."

This is a terrible metaphor if you're trying not to make yourself seem racist. Comparing other species to that of a dog doesn't fit the definition of racist?

[Conniving_Eagle]

ElementL09 wrote...

I kinda hate how Ashley brings up Cerberus. Like give it a rest. You didn't come with me in Mass Effect 2, I went back to the alliance after the events of Mass Effect 2 and was basically put on house arrest and now I'm back in Mass Effect 3 fighting the good fight and she's still skeptical of me and Cerberus? WTF.

And this is why killing her was so satisfying.

[Jassu1979]

I never liked Ashley that much to begin with. I did not loathe her, let alone hate her, but she was my least favourite character out of the "core crew", all things considered. I did not care for her xenophobia, her belligerence, or her confrontational religiosity. ("Is that a problem for you? I DARE you to say that it's a problem for you, for that's what I expect from people who do not share my beliefs! It's a problem, right?")

I still saved her on Virmire a couple of times, because I do not play favourites when it comes to my crew, and it made sense in terms of the story in those particular playthroughs.

But yeah, not a fan. Even her taste in poetry is debatable.

[RyanSoup]

HagarIshay wrote...

Ashley, a tool? Um, no. The fact she didn't join Shepard and stayed loyal to her principles kind of shows she's not one.

And by the way, Cerberus are terrosrists. Even if they didn't play a big part in ME1, they still did some nasty things. The Alliance needed to handle with them more than enough times. Hell, Alliance even thought Horizon was going to get hit by Cerberus. Ashley did nothing on Mars that any rational person with a brain won't do. Shepard did nothing to make Ashley believe s/he's the same person she once knew. For all Ashley knows, Shepard is still a terrorist, working with Cerberus or not.

The Migrant Fleet was sabotaged by Cerberus, but Tali still gives Shepard a chance.  Ashley's a tool because she sticks with the Alliance, despite her experiences with Shepard, to the point that she's manipulated into aiding Udina in an attempt to stage a coup.

[Ageless Face]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

"Look, if you're fighting a bear, and your only way to survive is to sic your dog at it and run, you'll do it. As much as you love your dog it isn't human. It's not racism, not really. Members of their species will always be more important to them than humans are."

This is a terrible metaphor if you're trying not to make yourself seem racist. Comparing other species to that of a dog doesn't fit the definition of racist?

Actually she compared humanity to the dog. And the council to the person ditching the dog.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Also, Ashley/Kaidan are the only squadmate from ME1 that flat-out refuse to join you. Garrus and Tali gladly join, and Wrex and Liara are caught up in very important matters.