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You know, there was once a thread dedicated to this very discussion. In ME1 she was a strong, confident soldier who stuck by your side every inch of the way after you saved her life on Eden Prime. She even helped you boost an Alliance warship and mutinied in order to support you. In ME2 she did an about face.
 
In ME2 she directly accuses you of treason and treats you as if you were lower than whale excrement. Why? Because Cerberus took your corpse and reanimated you like some H.P. Lovecraft Herbert West reject. Oh, and since the corpse didn't phone during that period of time she was totally justified in treating you like a bastard step child on Horizon.
 
What's more, she never comes to see you while you are locked up despite being asked by Anderson to do so. She will write you a tepid email in ME2, but in ME3 you are dead to her. She loved you so much, that she had to cut you off like a gangrenous hand.
 
Despite all of this, if you bend over and grab your ankles for her, she will eventually take you back once she has drunk enough alcohol to be able to stand you once again. I have friends that say that she is nothing more than prestige **** who uses Shepard like a tampon in order to get her way and I believe that they are right.
 
She casts her lot with Shepard in ME1, saves the galaxy, and she is on the fast track to prestige and power. She experiences a meteoric rise in rank going from Gunnery Chief to Lt. Cmdr. in just two and a half years. She has a wonderful career in black ops and she has broken the Williams family curse and all she had to do is toss Shepard under the bus. Who says that you can't sleep your way to the top? It worked beautifully with Shepard.
 
The reunion with Williams is awkward to say the least. She continues to accuse him of treason, she lies to him repeatedly by telling him she trusts him when it is obvious that she doesn't, and ultimately she stares through her sights at him with her finger on the trigger and her front sight firmly positioned on his forehead. What a girl.
 
If anyone should have known Shepard and what he was about, it was Ashley Williams. Yet she treats him as bad as dear old grandpa Williams was treated by the Alliance. Worse, if you consider that she claims to have loved him before she knifes him in the back. Shepard becomes a floating corpsecicle and returns two years later from the dead and she has absolutely no use for him. In fact, it takes less than three and one half minutes to decide that she no longer wants to have anything to do with him and avoids him like the plague with the exception of the aforementioned tepid email apology. In light of her hoisting her backside up on her shoulders in ME3, one wonders why she even bothered to send it in the first place.
 
Make no mistake, Ashley is toxic and she needs to go in the worst possible way before she begins cooking rabbits in the galley. But if you absolutely must have her, just continue to lick her backside like a little lamb and she will eventually drink enough booze to be able to take you back. My advice? Put boot to hind end and toss her sorry self off of your ship and be happy that you did so because that is all the payback that BioWare will let you get for her insane behavior.


You know, in ME2, I hated how she accused Shepard of treason. That went too far.  But the rest of what she said was nothing my Shepard hadn't thought of himself.  Didn't help that, yes, Cerberus was using Shepard to pursue TIM's own agenda.  Helping colonies was a happy coincidence.

Which is why I'm glad in ME3 her doubts shifted from "Shepard the traitor" to "that may not be Shepard"  If you listen to what she's saying rather that tuning it out as ranting, what she says makes sense.  Shepard died.  Who's to say that this Shepard is the same person?  Either an imposter, or Shepard's head has been screwed with, or is somehow being manipulated through a hidden control chip?  I find such doubts far more reasonable, something I can live with.  Heck, it's doubts more people should have had about Shepard in ME2.
 
But the point is, in ME3 Ash does not accuse Shepard of treaason.  She asks if Shepard might know why Cerberus would be attacking Mars (not an unreasonable question, of the three Shepard is the resident "Cerberus expert")  She asks if Shepard really had cut all ties with Cerberus.  When Shep affirms he had, and James backs him, she apologises for asking.  And I don't know what you said to her on Mars or in the hospital, but she barely hesitates when it comes to believing Shepard during the coup in my game.  Heck, she expressed a wish to rejoin the Normandy before the coup even took place.  What a wonder being patient with someone skittish about trust can beImage IPB

What people keep forgetting about Ash is she doesn't have, never had, a trusting nature.  She is suspicious of people's motives.  Not jsut aliens, all people's.  So when a dead Shepard appears to walk again, and is working with Cerberus, Ash needs to regain that trust again.  Yes, that may be Shepard.  What what if it's not?  Does she dare believe it's really the Skipper? What if she does and turns out to be wrong?  I imagine Ash has had to be very casreful who she put her faith in, when so many held her family's name against her.  In the case of a LI, does she dare risk having her heart broken again?

Romanced Ash did love Shepard.  But is this man before her the same person?  Or some zombified abomination created by the Illusive Man, wearing her beloved's face, but empty and soulless inside?  She wants to believe, but is afraid to at the same time.  That's something people don't seem to realize.  We know Shepard is still Shepard.  Because we are Shepard.  But how are others' supposed to react?  Not everyone can be Tali or Garrus, who unquestioningly greet Shepard with open arms.

And while the drunk scene was amusing, I think I would have preferred to have her "What was dying like?" conversation instead.  Sadly, that was cut.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I miss ME1 renegade. Instead of this diet renegade that they have filled with cheese in ME3

Every time I see someone post "ME3 Renegade is a horrible violent person who is way worse than ME1 and ME2 Renegade" (and for some reason I've seen it a lot) I just get incredibly confused.


ME3 - (longingly badassfully) check me out liara, i just shot falare for no reason. Now off to save old man korris from the geth.

ME1 - (Smug) shoot people for no reason on a regular basis, deal with it udina.

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I quite liked ashley, felt the game needed some one who was not falling all over shepard to get him into bed and kissing his ass. She is more balanced than jack but still has an edge. They did go over board with the whole, you joined cerberus I don't trust you but she is trying it stand by what she believes in. Alliance and humans making there own way in the galaxy honestly and honorably.

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I haven't read this whole thread, but are people still going on and on about how Ashley's "racist"?

Because if they are... no. Stop it. You're wrong.

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You know, I still don't understand why people keep going on about this.

She's not racist as merely Xenoskeptical and doesn't trust that Aliens won't put themselves before humanity. This is much like many people in the UK don't trust the EU, because they don't believe being a member benefits the UK's interests and that if they joined the single-currency, it would drag their economy down (and they were right).

It's simple scepticism in aliens, that's not the same as racism.

Ashely's problem in the second game was that her close friend / lover had disappeared for two years, made everyone thing they were dead, which when they return, show up with an known terrorist organisation. When it's clear that Shepard is there of their own violition and not deep cover, it makes it seem more like Shepard has gone rogue.

I would have a problem with Shepard because of this.


Then in 3, she questions Shepard about this and they repeat their claim they were DEAD for two years and Cerberus resurrected them to help fight the Collectors. Now, in addition to having the mistrust that Shepard has former ties to a terrorist organisation, she was to deal with the quandrary of the fact that, as a religious person, someone she knows is actually claiming to have returned back from the AFTERLIFE?!

She also has no idea if Shepard isn't some Cerberus robot, being brainwashed, which are a valid concern which she expresses after finding Huskifed troop on Mars. It takes a long time before she realises that she's not dealing with FrankenShepard.

I again would have a problem with Shepard because of these things.

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obZen DF wrote...

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I do agree that Ashley has less 'in-character' and 'content' than Kaiden in ME3. I have 2 important Sheps. 1 Ashley and 1 Kaiden. And the Shep with Kaiden showed that he's got alot more convo's and trust in Shepard. He even acknowledges that he's gay.

But, I still love Ashley. She may be in fact one of the more Human humans in the game. She acts like a real human would act. Not like Jack in ME2. "Oh you work with Cerberus? They only destroyed my entire life, but ok, I'll join you"
Now tell me, if you were in Ashleys situation, would you trust Shepard so easily after he's being dead for 2 years? And suddenly works with Cerberus? Without contacting you?
I would not.
I would question the hell out of Shepard. And I need to build up trust again. Maybe it's not even the real Shepard. Questions, questions.

Shepard, in answer to Jack's "Do you think I'm stupid?":  This station is going down in flames, I have the only way out, I'm offering to take you with me, and you're argueing.

Then, if you're not playing a Cerberus lap dog, she can tell.  If you give her unrestricted access, which means you give her access to the files, as there's no "limit" to what she can see other than what's available on the Normandy, she can grow to trust Shepard, not Cerberus.  Isn't it funny that, starting from the position you listed, she can grow to trust Shepard, but Ashley, who was with you from the start, can't?  The things you did in ME 1 and before can become known to Jack, but she wasn't there when it happened, so it's all second hand.  If you have Jack in the squad when you meet Ash she can tell her that there are other threats in the galaxy.  Of course, Jack's ME 3 initial greeting is a hell of lot funnier than Ashley's, since Jack punches you in the face.  Too bad if you have Garrus in the squad he doesn't just shoot Ashley in Horizon, and save a bullet in three.

Actions speak louder than words.  The only reason Ashley is standing there to spit in your face over Cerberus is because you saved her ass, for the second time.  Everything that you have been through together prior to that moment, including saving her life again, is erased by working for/with Cerberus, which ever way you choose to play it.  Of course, this adds to the "being a tool" when she says, as she walks off "I'll file my report and see what the Alliance decides to believe".  Well gee, I'd think they'd believe Shepard saved the colony, or most of it.  A fact that Ashley seems intent to ignore.


Yes, but Jack didn't know Shepard before he was dead. So, Jack starts building trust when Shepard's already working with Cerberus. For Ashley it's the opposite. She builds trust in ME1, for some even a romance, and then you die. 2 years later you're back. Working with a terrorist organization and blabla you know the rest. Isn't it normal for someone to lose his/her trust in that person? The need to build up trust again? I certainly want my trust back before I join that person. So, in my personal view, Ashley has all the rights to cut me off and be angry about it. Even if I did save her life again that day. You following me?
I do wish that the convo on Horizon was fairly longer. I never got to say that I'm sorry and that I wish things were different. No, the dialogue wheel won't give me that. <_<


Yes, I follow you, you can justify her being a tool.  This does not, by definition, mean that she's not being a tool.  But let's look at how that convo plays out:  At first it's all "You're in the presence of a God", and then it's all "who's a traitor to everything he stood for".

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robertthebard wrote...

Yes, I follow you, you can justify her being a tool.  This does not, by definition, mean that she's not being a tool.  But let's look at how that convo plays out:  At first it's all "You're in the presence of a God", and then it's all "who's a traitor to everything he stood for".


Shepard; "Please trust me"

Ashley; "I do, its just.... (that i don't)"

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DirtySHISN0 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Yes, I follow you, you can justify her being a tool.  This does not, by definition, mean that she's not being a tool.  But let's look at how that convo plays out:  At first it's all "You're in the presence of a God", and then it's all "who's a traitor to everything he stood for".


Shepard; "Please trust me"

Ashley; "I do, its just.... (that i don't)"


I always wonder what was going to come after that, if not for Liara crawling through the duct work.  My pure speculative thoughts are along the line of "I do, it's just that you worked for Cerberus, and now Cerberus is here, and you have to know why, and probably sent them".

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I miss ME1 renegade. Instead of this diet renegade that they have filled with cheese in ME3

Every time I see someone post "ME3 Renegade is a horrible violent person who is way worse than ME1 and ME2 Renegade" (and for some reason I've seen it a lot) I just get incredibly confused.


Same!

ME1 Renedouche would chew up and spit out ME3 renedouche.

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Tell me how she's not racist.

She did say during ME1 something like "hard to tell difference between aliens and animals"


I think someone already said it but an Elcor looks like a cross between a gorilla and an elephant.  How would you know if you didn't converse with them.  Ignorance is not the same as racism.

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Cerberus murdered Kahoka. They attempted to use the Rachnii as weapons. They kidnapped small children and forced them to fight like dogs when not experimenting on them, both of which led to many deaths. Cerberus is a terrorist organization with the sole intentions of humans and nothing else. This is why Ash is against Cerberus. Yes, there were good Cerberus members but they all ended up leaving promptly. If anything, she's the most realistic when it comes down to the matter. So no, she is not the galaxy's biggest tool; that award is reserved for the Dalatrass or Wreav. Also, if gone Paragon route she asks the Council be saved as well as the Rachnii Queen and tells the Terra Firma party to stick it where the sun don't shine, not mentioning all those friendly conversations with the alien crew which she praises. Weird... what a complete xenophobe tool./sarcasm. Ash FTW.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I miss ME1 renegade. Instead of this diet renegade that they have filled with cheese in ME3

Every time I see someone post "ME3 Renegade is a horrible violent person who is way worse than ME1 and ME2 Renegade" (and for some reason I've seen it a lot) I just get incredibly confused.


Same!

ME1 Renedouche would chew up and spit out ME3 renedouche.

Say goodnight, Manuel.
*punches an mental instable scientist and knocks him out*

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

"Look, if you're fighting a bear, and your only way to survive is to sic your dog at it and run, you'll do it. As much as you love your dog it isn't human. It's not racism, not really. Members of their species will always be more important to them than humans are."

This is a terrible metaphor if you're trying not to make yourself seem racist. Comparing other species to that of a dog doesn't fit the definition of racist?


Yeah, I cringed at that remark too. For some reason it reminded me of those who love using this line: "I´m not a racist, but..."

Anyway, despite that she did seem to care about other people even if they are alien. F.ex: in a conversation between her and Tali in the elevator, she says something about that she hopes people will look more favorably on the Quarians due to Tali´s involvement in the fight against Saren.

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robertthebard wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Yes, I follow you, you can justify her being a tool.  This does not, by definition, mean that she's not being a tool.  But let's look at how that convo plays out:  At first it's all "You're in the presence of a God", and then it's all "who's a traitor to everything he stood for".


Shepard; "Please trust me"

Ashley; "I do, its just.... (that i don't)"


I always wonder what was going to come after that, if not for Liara crawling through the duct work.  My pure speculative thoughts are along the line of "I do, it's just that you worked for Cerberus, and now Cerberus is here, and you have to know why, and probably sent them".


She trusts Shepard.  She wants to believe the person in front of her is that same Shepard.  But she isn't sure.

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DevilBeast wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

"Look, if you're fighting a bear, and your only way to survive is to sic your dog at it and run, you'll do it. As much as you love your dog it isn't human. It's not racism, not really. Members of their species will always be more important to them than humans are."

This is a terrible metaphor if you're trying not to make yourself seem racist. Comparing other species to that of a dog doesn't fit the definition of racist?


Yeah, I cringed at that remark too. For some reason it reminded me of those who love using this line: "I´m not a racist, but..."

Anyway, despite that she did seem to care about other people even if they are alien. F.ex: in a conversation between her and Tali in the elevator, she says something about that she hopes people will look more favorably on the Quarians due to Tali´s involvement in the fight against Saren.


You realize humanity is the dog in the analogy, right?

As for her trust:  Ash trusts persons.  It's people she has a problem with Image IPB

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iakus wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

"Look, if you're fighting a bear, and your only way to survive is to sic your dog at it and run, you'll do it. As much as you love your dog it isn't human. It's not racism, not really. Members of their species will always be more important to them than humans are."

This is a terrible metaphor if you're trying not to make yourself seem racist. Comparing other species to that of a dog doesn't fit the definition of racist?


Yeah, I cringed at that remark too. For some reason it reminded me of those who love using this line: "I´m not a racist, but..."

Anyway, despite that she did seem to care about other people even if they are alien. F.ex: in a conversation between her and Tali in the elevator, she says something about that she hopes people will look more favorably on the Quarians due to Tali´s involvement in the fight against Saren.


You realize humanity is the dog in the analogy, right?

As for her trust:  Ash trusts persons.  It's people she has a problem with Image IPB


Right, and that is why she says "as much as you love your dog it isn´t human". Why would she say that if she was talking about other races opinons of humanity and not how humanity should act (btw: I actually agree with the other species in the game; humanity do act like pushy bullies who apparantely can´t see how much they have gained compared to many other species).

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DevilBeast wrote...

Right, and that is why she says "as much as you love your dog it isn´t human". Why would she say that if she was talking about other races opinons of humanity and not how humanity should act (btw: I actually agree with the other species in the game; humanity do act like pushy bullies who apparantely can´t see how much they have gained compared to many other species).


I know that feel.

As soon as i got spectre status my allegiance to humanity went out of the window.

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DevilBeast wrote...

iakus wrote...

You realize humanity is the dog in the analogy, right?

As for her trust:  Ash trusts persons.  It's people she has a problem with Image IPB


Right, and that is why she says "as much as you love your dog it isn´t human". Why would she say that if she was talking about other races opinons of humanity and not how humanity should act (btw: I actually agree with the other species in the game; humanity do act like pushy bullies who apparantely can´t see how much they have gained compared to many other species).


because she's talking to Shepard.  A human.

"As much as you love your varren, it isn't a krogan" just wouldn't work as wellImage IPB

But her point is, all races, human and alien, will look to themselves first in a crisis.  Ash was neither condemning them nor praising them for that outlook.  It's a simple survival instinct:  look to your own people before helping others. 

And ME3 proves she was right.  The other races were perfectly willing to let Earth get eaten by the Reapers while it bought them time to build up their own defenses.   Humanity (the dog) was left to fight the bear (reapers)

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DirtySHISN0 wrote...

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Right, and that is why she says "as much as you love your dog it isn´t human". Why would she say that if she was talking about other races opinons of humanity and not how humanity should act (btw: I actually agree with the other species in the game; humanity do act like pushy bullies who apparantely can´t see how much they have gained compared to many other species).


I know that feel.

As soon as i got spectre status my allegiance to humanity went out of the window.


Yeah, mine too. Sadly, however, the game still thinks that Shepard should put humanity in front of the other species. Especially in ME3 with the whole "Take Earth Back" sentiment.

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iakus wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

iakus wrote...

You realize humanity is the dog in the analogy, right?

As for her trust:  Ash trusts persons.  It's people she has a problem with Image IPB


Right, and that is why she says "as much as you love your dog it isn´t human". Why would she say that if she was talking about other races opinons of humanity and not how humanity should act (btw: I actually agree with the other species in the game; humanity do act like pushy bullies who apparantely can´t see how much they have gained compared to many other species).



because she's talking to Shepard.  A human.

"As much as you love your varren, it isn't a krogan" just wouldn't work as wellImage IPB

But her point is, all races, human and alien, will look to themselves first in a crisis.  Ash was neither condemning them nor praising them for that outlook.  It's a simple survival instinct:  look to your own people before helping others. 

And ME3 proves she was right.  The other races were perfectly willing to let Earth get eaten by the Reapers while it bought them time to build up their own defenses.   Humanity (the dog) was left to fight the bear (reapers)


Yeah, and humanity were quite willing to ignore the fact those same species
they asked for help are being attacked by the reapers themselves. Should they just leave their own planet to get eaten by the reapers just because humanity think they are more important??

And hey! I loved that varren! I was really sad when I realized I couldn´t bring him onboard the Normandy:(

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DevilBeast wrote...

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because she's talking to Shepard.  A human.

"As much as you love your varren, it isn't a krogan" just wouldn't work as wellImage IPB

But her point is, all races, human and alien, will look to themselves first in a crisis.  Ash was neither condemning them nor praising them for that outlook.  It's a simple survival instinct:  look to your own people before helping others. 

And ME3 proves she was right.  The other races were perfectly willing to let Earth get eaten by the Reapers while it bought them time to build up their own defenses.   Humanity (the dog) was left to fight the bear (reapers)


Yeah, and humanity were quite willing to ignore the fact those same species
they asked for help are being attacked by the reapers themselves. Should they just leave their own planet to get eaten by the reapers just because humanity think they are more important??


No, because much as they might love humans, they're not asari/turians//salarians/krogan/etc. 

it's a universal survival instinct.    She recognizes this.  As Ash said " I don't think we should turn away allies.  I just don't think we should count on them staying allies"  Their priorities =/= human priorities.

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DevilBeast wrote...

iakus wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

iakus wrote...

You realize humanity is the dog in the analogy, right?

As for her trust:  Ash trusts persons.  It's people she has a problem with Image IPB


Right, and that is why she says "as much as you love your dog it isn´t human". Why would she say that if she was talking about other races opinons of humanity and not how humanity should act (btw: I actually agree with the other species in the game; humanity do act like pushy bullies who apparantely can´t see how much they have gained compared to many other species).



because she's talking to Shepard.  A human.

"As much as you love your varren, it isn't a krogan" just wouldn't work as wellImage IPB

But her point is, all races, human and alien, will look to themselves first in a crisis.  Ash was neither condemning them nor praising them for that outlook.  It's a simple survival instinct:  look to your own people before helping others. 

And ME3 proves she was right.  The other races were perfectly willing to let Earth get eaten by the Reapers while it bought them time to build up their own defenses.   Humanity (the dog) was left to fight the bear (reapers)


Yeah, and humanity were quite willing to ignore the fact those same species
they asked for help are being attacked by the reapers themselves. Should they just leave their own planet to get eaten by the reapers just because humanity think they are more important??

And hey! I loved that varren! I was really sad when I realized I couldn´t bring him onboard the Normandy:(




Soo... you're saying that Ashley is a racist because she said that humanity should look after itself first and then defend the other races for doing the exact same thing?

Double standard much?

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Romanced Ash did love Shepard.  But is this man before her the same person?  Or some zombified abomination created by the Illusive Man, wearing her beloved's face, but empty and soulless inside?  She wants to believe, but is afraid to at the same time.  That's something people don't seem to realize.  We know Shepard is still Shepard.  Because we are Shepard.  But how are others' supposed to react?  Not everyone can be Tali or Garrus, who unquestioningly greet Shepard with open arms.

And while the drunk scene was amusing, I think I would have preferred to have her "What was dying like?" conversation instead.  Sadly, that was cut.


See, that's exactly why I think Ashley is one of the more 'realistic' characters in ME.
On Horizon, you can hear the doubts in Ashley's voice. She wants to believe, but just can't, for obvious reasons.
And that's what most people in real life would do too.

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obZen DF wrote...

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Romanced Ash did love Shepard.  But is this man before her the same person?  Or some zombified abomination created by the Illusive Man, wearing her beloved's face, but empty and soulless inside?  She wants to believe, but is afraid to at the same time.  That's something people don't seem to realize.  We know Shepard is still Shepard.  Because we are Shepard.  But how are others' supposed to react?  Not everyone can be Tali or Garrus, who unquestioningly greet Shepard with open arms.

And while the drunk scene was amusing, I think I would have preferred to have her "What was dying like?" conversation instead.  Sadly, that was cut.


See, that's exactly why I think Ashley is one of the more 'realistic' characters in ME.
On Horizon, you can hear the doubts in Ashley's voice. She wants to believe, but just can't, for obvious reasons.
And that's what most people in real life would do too.


So true.
Imagine your boyfriend/girlfriend or best friend dying and two years later you see him/her working with al-Qaida. Only a idiot wouldnt have any doubts if this is still the same person you did know

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obZen DF wrote...

See, that's exactly why I think Ashley is one of the more 'realistic' characters in ME.
On Horizon, you can hear the doubts in Ashley's voice. She wants to believe, but just can't, for obvious reasons.
And that's what most people in real life would do too.



I have a few points to raise about that.

Firstly, she doesn't really try to understand or check whether it's still shepard. Just says her bit then leaves.
Next time you see her she is all "i guess i just need time to get to know you again".
Unfortunatly Ashley, the time i did have available to waste on such exploits you spent your time ignoring me.
Now is neither the time or place, don't go quarian on us.

Secondly, everyone else says how they distrust cerberus, but will join for shepard. Ashley can't seem to seperate the two. Even if you take familiar faces with you to horizen, she still says the same thing.

I did like Ashley before ME3. I despised Kaidan, he was irritating. ME3 Ashley really makes me question my decision though.