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[DevilBeast]

General User wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

I was only responding to the sentiment I seem to encounter on this forum, that the other species are egocentrical and should have helped humanity from the beginning eventhough they had their own problems to struggle with.

That they could what they would when they should.  What the Council races did do with humanity from the beginning was engineer a conflict between us and the batarians, a race we (for obvious reasons) had no prior conflict with and had been a problem they had been unable to solve literally for centuries, hoping that we would solve the batarian problem without them having to get overtly involved.

In other words, they sic-ed us on the bear and ran.

And you think they have only done that with humans?? Besides, I doubt humanity would be any different if they were the ones in charge.

[DevilBeast]

obZen DF wrote...

People just don't seem to realize what 'racist' means.
"Ah man, I hate Ashley!"
Ashley: "I can't tell the KEEPERS from the animals"
"My god, and she's a racist! RACIST!!! RAAAACIST!!!! I'm gonna make a topic about this."

That's Ashley haters' logic.

I think the actual line is "I can´t tell the aliens from the animals" (or vice versa). But then again; it´s been a while since i last played ME1, so my memory is pretty dodgy.

[robertthebard]

obZen DF wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

obZen DF wrote...

See, that's exactly why I think Ashley is one of the more 'realistic' characters in ME.
On Horizon, you can hear the doubts in Ashley's voice. She wants to believe, but just can't, for obvious reasons.
And that's what most people in real life would do too.

I have a few points to raise about that.

Firstly, she doesn't really try to understand or check whether it's still shepard. Just says her bit then leaves.
Next time you see her she is all "i guess i just need time to get to know you again".
Unfortunatly Ashley, the time i did have available to waste on such exploits you spent your time ignoring me.
Now is neither the time or place, don't go quarian on us.

Secondly, everyone else says how they distrust cerberus, but will join for shepard. Ashley can't seem to seperate the two. Even if you take familiar faces with you to horizen, she still says the same thing.

I did like Ashley before ME3. I despised Kaidan, he was irritating. ME3 Ashley really makes me question my decision though.

Well, you can hear the emotion in Ashley's voice. Just like when you are arguing with your girl/boyfriend. You're mad and say your bit and when it's over you start thinking about what you said, and if it could've been said differently. I think that's what Ashley was doing. She needed time.

And for your second argument: Not everyone is the same, or think the same. You can say that Garrus and Tali join you, because they join for Shepard. But that doesn't mean Ashley must do the same. Different persons, different believes, different choices.

Yep, different beliefs, everyone on Shepard's squad believes he's doing the right thing, trying to stop the Collectors, and Ashley believes that you're working for the Collectors.  This, despite just saving her ass from them, and yes, Kaidan reacts the same way, and it's no better from him.  They choose to be blind to what's happening, despite first hand knowledge that everything that the Alliance and Council are very publicly denying, note Avina's lack of any mention of a Reaper at the Citadel attack, is true, and they have just witnessed more of the same.  So yes, intelligent people look at what's going on, and the political climate, and make a decision.  VS's decision was to completely disregard what they knew, and call Shepard a traitor.

[Iakus]

robertthebard wrote...

The obvious reason being you're with Cerberus, because until you share that, she's all cozy in Horizon.  She didn't have a problem accepting that you were there, and being a hero, until you say that.  The whole pre tram section of her distrusting you because you were dead scenario you lay out is all about how since you were with Cerberus, you must know why they're there.  Here's the thing, if she trusted you, as she claims to do, she'd let it go.  There are, after all, far more pressing concerns, you know, Reapers attacking Earth, and may be on Mars shortly, and Liara is caught in the middle.  I do love how the VS will be standing right there when Anderson gives you the order to go to the Citadel, and will ask "What's going on" as if they weren't.  They can stand right there and hear the conversation with Hackett, and question it too.  First and foremost, VS sees Anderson reinstate Shepard.  Shepard then outranks VS, and yet they feel they can question VS, just as James does, only James can get put in check, yet the VS has to Paragon/Renegade interrupt to tell them "On this ship, we follow orders".

Actually, if you don't bring Cerberus up, she does.  The rumors get verified one way or another.

re trust on Horizon:  Ash "questions" Shepard exactly three times (I counted)
1) After first skirmish with Cerberus, she asks if Shepard knows why they'd be interested in Mars
2) Airlock, asks if Shepard really has cut all ties with Cerberus
3) Huskified trooper.  Speculates aloud if this is what the Illusive Man did to bring back Shepard.

That's all.  This whoe  "harping on Shepard working for Cerberus" is making a mountian out of a molehill

[Iakus]

Shallyah wrote...

Right, be nitpicky all you want about bugs or no bugs. I haven't seen any evidence of that line being a bug. But alright. Put that aside. Now let's find excuses for Ashley's general attitude towards the aliens in the crew all through ME1, how she has to be told to stand down by Shepard himself when she makes racist comments to him, or how butthurt she is if you begin a romance with Liara "At least she looks like a woman".

Look at where she says the line.  It's always in the vicinity of a Keeper.  If there's no Keeper around, she doesn't say it.  She's supposed to be closer to them so it's more obvious, but the range is too far.

[robertthebard]

iakus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

The obvious reason being you're with Cerberus, because until you share that, she's all cozy in Horizon.  She didn't have a problem accepting that you were there, and being a hero, until you say that.  The whole pre tram section of her distrusting you because you were dead scenario you lay out is all about how since you were with Cerberus, you must know why they're there.  Here's the thing, if she trusted you, as she claims to do, she'd let it go.  There are, after all, far more pressing concerns, you know, Reapers attacking Earth, and may be on Mars shortly, and Liara is caught in the middle.  I do love how the VS will be standing right there when Anderson gives you the order to go to the Citadel, and will ask "What's going on" as if they weren't.  They can stand right there and hear the conversation with Hackett, and question it too.  First and foremost, VS sees Anderson reinstate Shepard.  Shepard then outranks VS, and yet they feel they can question VS, just as James does, only James can get put in check, yet the VS has to Paragon/Renegade interrupt to tell them "On this ship, we follow orders".

Actually, if you don't bring Cerberus up, she does.  The rumors get verified one way or another.

re trust on Horizon:  Ash "questions" Shepard exactly three times (I counted)
1) After first skirmish with Cerberus, she asks if Shepard knows why they'd be interested in Mars
2) Airlock, asks if Shepard really has cut all ties with Cerberus
3) Huskified trooper.  Speculates aloud if this is what the Illusive Man did to bring back Shepard.

That's all.  This whoe  "harping on Shepard working for Cerberus" is making a mountian out of a molehill

Yeah, 3 times.  The first one starts after you clear the first squad, and ends on the elevator, and then picks up on the elevator.  You get a brief respite while you fight your way to the tram, and then it's right back to it.  If VS doesn't get their head bashed in by Eva Bot, the pattern suggests it would continue, and, in fact, does continue in the hospital.  It is then played out when you either talk them down, or shoot them at the end of the coup.

Of course, there are 6 months of house arrest where they could lay their suspicions to rest, by simply going to talk to Shepard, both are of high enough rank to pull strings, if need be, to talk to Shepard, but neither does.  In fact, Anderson would give the order to let them in, if they'd wanted to, they didn't.  Instead, they wanted to harbor resentment that Shepard worked for Cerberus.  This is especially aggravating if you romance them in 1, since it comes across more as "I loved you while I could ride your coattails to success".

[obZen DF]

DevilBeast wrote...

obZen DF wrote...

People just don't seem to realize what 'racist' means.
"Ah man, I hate Ashley!"
Ashley: "I can't tell the KEEPERS from the animals"
"My god, and she's a racist! RACIST!!! RAAAACIST!!!! I'm gonna make a topic about this."

That's Ashley haters' logic.

I think the actual line is "I can´t tell the aliens from the animals" (or vice versa). But then again; it´s been a while since i last played ME1, so my memory is pretty dodgy.

Yeah, but as someone above me pointed out: It's always when you're near the Keepers when she says that.
So, it's easy to guess that she's talking about them, not other races.

[Iakus]

robertthebard wrote...

iakus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

The obvious reason being you're with Cerberus, because until you share that, she's all cozy in Horizon.  She didn't have a problem accepting that you were there, and being a hero, until you say that.  The whole pre tram section of her distrusting you because you were dead scenario you lay out is all about how since you were with Cerberus, you must know why they're there.  Here's the thing, if she trusted you, as she claims to do, she'd let it go.  There are, after all, far more pressing concerns, you know, Reapers attacking Earth, and may be on Mars shortly, and Liara is caught in the middle.  I do love how the VS will be standing right there when Anderson gives you the order to go to the Citadel, and will ask "What's going on" as if they weren't.  They can stand right there and hear the conversation with Hackett, and question it too.  First and foremost, VS sees Anderson reinstate Shepard.  Shepard then outranks VS, and yet they feel they can question VS, just as James does, only James can get put in check, yet the VS has to Paragon/Renegade interrupt to tell them "On this ship, we follow orders".

Actually, if you don't bring Cerberus up, she does.  The rumors get verified one way or another.

re trust on Horizon:  Ash "questions" Shepard exactly three times (I counted)
1) After first skirmish with Cerberus, she asks if Shepard knows why they'd be interested in Mars
2) Airlock, asks if Shepard really has cut all ties with Cerberus
3) Huskified trooper.  Speculates aloud if this is what the Illusive Man did to bring back Shepard.

That's all.  This whoe  "harping on Shepard working for Cerberus" is making a mountian out of a molehill

Yeah, 3 times.  The first one starts after you clear the first squad, and ends on the elevator, and then picks up on the elevator.  You get a brief respite while you fight your way to the tram, and then it's right back to it.  If VS doesn't get their head bashed in by Eva Bot, the pattern suggests it would continue, and, in fact, does continue in the hospital.  It is then played out when you either talk them down, or shoot them at the end of the coup.

Of course, there are 6 months of house arrest where they could lay their suspicions to rest, by simply going to talk to Shepard, both are of high enough rank to pull strings, if need be, to talk to Shepard, but neither does.  In fact, Anderson would give the order to let them in, if they'd wanted to, they didn't.  Instead, they wanted to harbor resentment that Shepard worked for Cerberus.  This is especially aggravating if you romance them in 1, since it comes across more as "I loved you while I could ride your coattails to success".

Umm, first conversation is a very brief exchange.  Were you doing a full sprint to the airlock?  Because between asking Shepard about Cerberus and there there's at least one more fight with Cerberus and Ash noting they must have had inside help getting into the facility (this has nothing whatssoever to do with SHepard).  It "ends" well before the elevator.

And I have no idea what you mean by "right back in it" at the tram.  Ash points out the trooper and speculates TIM might have done something similar to Shepard. I chose the paragon "I'm still me" response and her answer was "That's what I needed to hear" 

At the Citadel, the Cerberus thing was entirely dropped for me.  Yeah the reason why she never visited was weak.  But in my playthrough her suspicions were pretty much laid to rest by that point anyway.  By the second visit she expresses a desire to rejoin the Normandy.

The attitude I got from her was "I loved you when I knew you were you.  Now I want to believe, but you might actually be a zombie abominsation"

[Iakus]

obZen DF wrote...

Yeah, but as someone above me pointed out: It's always when you're near the Keepers when she says that.
So, it's easy to guess that she's talking about them, not other races.

To be fair, the bug makes it so that it's not so obvious what she's referring to.  She's further away than she's supposed to be to say that.  But at this point it's such a well-known bug (or it should be well known) that the assumption that she's referring to all aliens like that is nails on a chalkboard for me.

[Trentest0]

I just hate it when people don't call out Kaidan for saying the same damn things, minus the racism, which you can change in ME1.

I like all characters equally. RIGHTS FOR ALL.

[General User]

DevilBeast wrote...

General User wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

I was only responding to the sentiment I seem to encounter on this forum, that the other species are egocentrical and should have helped humanity from the beginning eventhough they had their own problems to struggle with.

That they could what they would when they should.  What the Council races did do with humanity from the beginning was engineer a conflict between us and the batarians, a race we (for obvious reasons) had no prior conflict with and had been a problem they had been unable to solve literally for centuries, hoping that we would solve the batarian problem without them having to get overtly involved.

In other words, they sic-ed us on the bear and ran.

And you think they have only done that with humans?? Besides, I doubt humanity would be any different if they were the ones in charge.

That was largely Ash's point.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Shallyah wrote...

(...)

She is racist, period. And I'll say again that I like her because unlike Liara and other characters, she actually does evolve, and feels like more than a teen nerd bait. But facts are facts. It's like saying that Tali isn't racist towards Geth in ME1. I love Tali, but I won't lie to myself.

Do you honestly, truly believe that being cautious of other species automatically equals racism?

Racism, by definition, is the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. I don't once remember Ashley implying any sort of superiority above aliens. She doesn't trust the aliens, which for all intents and purposes is a natural reaction.

If Ash was truly racist, she would be the first to support the Cerberus agenda. We all know how she feels about Cerberus.

[The Real Bowser]

Anyone who thinks Ashley is not at least slightly xenophobic is in serious denial and clearly did not touch ME1.

I like Ashley a lot. I mean, she's not Tali... but she is one of my favorite characters in this game.

In ME1, she was definitely one of the more renegade-like characters. I haven't seen her around enough in ME3 to decide how she has changed. She does, at least, seem less xenophobic.

[iSousek]

Sceptic =/= Racist

For example, if someone is eurosceptic, that doesn't automatically make him a rascist or a nationalist.

[Seifer006]

RyanSoup wrote...

Ignoring her idiotic racism in the first game

Ash isn't Racist. She's discreet towards Aliens. Have you played ME1??? There's a difference between racism and Discretion. Tell me your definiton of these two terms?

RyanSoup wrote...
can someone please explain to me why Ashley feels the need to be a giant douche to Shepard after ME1?

how is she? she was one of the most likable character in ME1. It's in ME3 that Bioware decided to change her. Even Hardcore Ash fans saw this, and have emailed the Developers of this problem.

RyanSoup wrote...
I mean, it seems like she's pretty quick to forget who saved her life not only on Horizon

and what about the others? Remember Liara on Thessia and how she saw her planet destroyed, guess what Liara said to Shepard, "be nice if the Alliance were to help us." Not to mention her getting mad at Javik.
It was Liara who 1. Shadowbroker could have helped her people better 2. the Asari's themselves were the last of the race to allied themselves with the Alliance. I have a greater problem with Liara getting all mad over thessia when Earth, Palavan were destroyed...and what about the Krogans and all their problems?? Semm like Liara is the most selfish of them all. I'm glad Ash didn't trust Liara. Nor would I, would you trust an Alien over Humans? yeah, I'll let you think through on that one.

RyanSoup wrote...
Instead, she turns around and accuses Shep of treason

Really? what about Kaiden??? Oh, who's biased now? Sounds like your a hyprocrite. What about the Salarians to the Krogans? Any racism their? What about the Asari's? You going to ignore them and their biased views. They held the Conduit in secret just so they can be superior.
I'll let you think through on this one also, Hyprocrite.

RyanSoup wrote...
Then she gets this magic promotion,

oh and what about Kaiden? yeah, ignored him huh. You're not a hyprocrite are you? Your just ignorant towards others while you spit fire on Ashley.

yeah. some ME fan you are...

[robertthebard]

iakus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

iakus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

The obvious reason being you're with Cerberus, because until you share that, she's all cozy in Horizon.  She didn't have a problem accepting that you were there, and being a hero, until you say that.  The whole pre tram section of her distrusting you because you were dead scenario you lay out is all about how since you were with Cerberus, you must know why they're there.  Here's the thing, if she trusted you, as she claims to do, she'd let it go.  There are, after all, far more pressing concerns, you know, Reapers attacking Earth, and may be on Mars shortly, and Liara is caught in the middle.  I do love how the VS will be standing right there when Anderson gives you the order to go to the Citadel, and will ask "What's going on" as if they weren't.  They can stand right there and hear the conversation with Hackett, and question it too.  First and foremost, VS sees Anderson reinstate Shepard.  Shepard then outranks VS, and yet they feel they can question VS, just as James does, only James can get put in check, yet the VS has to Paragon/Renegade interrupt to tell them "On this ship, we follow orders".

Actually, if you don't bring Cerberus up, she does.  The rumors get verified one way or another.

re trust on Horizon:  Ash "questions" Shepard exactly three times (I counted)
1) After first skirmish with Cerberus, she asks if Shepard knows why they'd be interested in Mars
2) Airlock, asks if Shepard really has cut all ties with Cerberus
3) Huskified trooper.  Speculates aloud if this is what the Illusive Man did to bring back Shepard.

That's all.  This whoe  "harping on Shepard working for Cerberus" is making a mountian out of a molehill

Yeah, 3 times.  The first one starts after you clear the first squad, and ends on the elevator, and then picks up on the elevator.  You get a brief respite while you fight your way to the tram, and then it's right back to it.  If VS doesn't get their head bashed in by Eva Bot, the pattern suggests it would continue, and, in fact, does continue in the hospital.  It is then played out when you either talk them down, or shoot them at the end of the coup.

Of course, there are 6 months of house arrest where they could lay their suspicions to rest, by simply going to talk to Shepard, both are of high enough rank to pull strings, if need be, to talk to Shepard, but neither does.  In fact, Anderson would give the order to let them in, if they'd wanted to, they didn't.  Instead, they wanted to harbor resentment that Shepard worked for Cerberus.  This is especially aggravating if you romance them in 1, since it comes across more as "I loved you while I could ride your coattails to success".

Umm, first conversation is a very brief exchange.  Were you doing a full sprint to the airlock?  Because between asking Shepard about Cerberus and there there's at least one more fight with Cerberus and Ash noting they must have had inside help getting into the facility (this has nothing whatssoever to do with SHepard).  It "ends" well before the elevator.

And I have no idea what you mean by "right back in it" at the tram.  Ash points out the trooper and speculates TIM might have done something similar to Shepard. I chose the paragon "I'm still me" response and her answer was "That's what I needed to hear" 

At the Citadel, the Cerberus thing was entirely dropped for me.  Yeah the reason why she never visited was weak.  But in my playthrough her suspicions were pretty much laid to rest by that point anyway.  By the second visit she expresses a desire to rejoin the Normandy.

The attitude I got from her was "I loved you when I knew you were you.  Now I want to believe, but you might actually be a zombie abominsation"

So by the end of the coup, since she's dropped the problem with Cerberus with you, when you come out of the elevator, she automatically puts her gun away and lets you take Udina?  Because in my game, whichever one it may be points a gun at me and has to be persuaded to not get shot, which frankly has become not worth making sure I catch the interrupts.  We can allow personal feelings about characters to color their actions, but that doesn't mean the actions don't happen.  VS trusts you so much about not being with Cerberus any more that they are willing to shoot you because Udina says you're with them.  This is particularly out of ME 1 Ash's character, since she doesn't like politicians.  It's not like Udina has never betrayed anyone that she knows of, eh?

[Seifer006]

The Real Bowser wrote...

Anyone who thinks Ashley is not at least slightly xenophobic is in serious denial and clearly did not touch ME1.

I like Ashley a lot. I mean, she's not Tali... but she is one of my favorite characters in this game.

In ME1, she was definitely one of the more renegade-like characters. I haven't seen her around enough in ME3 to decide how she has changed. She does, at least, seem less xenophobic.

Ash is just discreet in ME1. She isn't racist. I like to know how she's racist lol! Cause she killed Wrex?? Shepard toward her LOOL!! People are on BSN can be so ignorant of simple truths....
Ash was great. I really like her. It's ME3..........that bioware changed her. then again, I didn't like ME3. (you can read my review, click signature)

[robertthebard]

Seifer006 wrote...

RyanSoup wrote...

Ignoring her idiotic racism in the first game

Ash isn't Racist. She's discreet towards Aliens. Have you played ME1??? There's a difference between racism and Discretion. Tell me your definiton of these two terms?

RyanSoup wrote...
can someone please explain to me why Ashley feels the need to be a giant douche to Shepard after ME1?

how is she? she was one of the most likable character in ME1. It's in ME3 that Bioware decided to change her. Even Hardcore Ash fans saw this, and have emailed the Developers of this problem.

RyanSoup wrote...
I mean, it seems like she's pretty quick to forget who saved her life not only on Horizon

and what about the others? Remember Liara on Thessia and how she saw her planet destroyed, guess what Liara said to Shepard, "be nice if the Alliance were to help us." Not to mention her getting mad at Javik.
It was Liara who 1. Shadowbroker could have helped her people better 2. the Asari's themselves were the last of the race to allied themselves with the Alliance. I have a greater problem with Liara getting all mad over thessia when Earth, Palavan were destroyed...and what about the Krogans and all their problems?? Semm like Liara is the most selfish of them all. I'm glad Ash didn't trust Liara. Nor would I, would you trust an Alien over Humans? yeah, I'll let you think through on that one.

RyanSoup wrote...
Instead, she turns around and accuses Shep of treason

Really? what about Kaiden??? Oh, who's biased now? Sounds like your a hyprocrite. What about the Salarians to the Krogans? Any racism their? What about the Asari's? You going to ignore them and their biased views. They held the Conduit in secret just so they can be superior.
I'll let you think through on this one also, Hyprocrite.

RyanSoup wrote...
Then she gets this magic promotion,

oh and what about Kaiden? yeah, ignored him huh. You're not a hyprocrite are you? Your just ignorant towards others while you spit fire on Ashley.

yeah. some ME fan you are...

racism
discreteer, what?

Did you maybe mean:  distrust?

There is always the possibility that the poster allows Kaidan to die every time on Virmire, since maybe they didn't like Kaidan, and so, doesn't know?

[Seifer006]

robertthebard wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

RyanSoup wrote...

Ignoring her idiotic racism in the first game

Ash isn't Racist. She's discreet towards Aliens. Have you played ME1??? There's a difference between racism and Discretion. Tell me your definiton of these two terms?

RyanSoup wrote...
can someone please explain to me why Ashley feels the need to be a giant douche to Shepard after ME1?

how is she? she was one of the most likable character in ME1. It's in ME3 that Bioware decided to change her. Even Hardcore Ash fans saw this, and have emailed the Developers of this problem.

RyanSoup wrote...
I mean, it seems like she's pretty quick to forget who saved her life not only on Horizon

and what about the others? Remember Liara on Thessia and how she saw her planet destroyed, guess what Liara said to Shepard, "be nice if the Alliance were to help us." Not to mention her getting mad at Javik.
It was Liara who 1. Shadowbroker could have helped her people better 2. the Asari's themselves were the last of the race to allied themselves with the Alliance. I have a greater problem with Liara getting all mad over thessia when Earth, Palavan were destroyed...and what about the Krogans and all their problems?? Semm like Liara is the most selfish of them all. I'm glad Ash didn't trust Liara. Nor would I, would you trust an Alien over Humans? yeah, I'll let you think through on that one.

RyanSoup wrote...
Instead, she turns around and accuses Shep of treason

Really? what about Kaiden??? Oh, who's biased now? Sounds like your a hyprocrite. What about the Salarians to the Krogans? Any racism their? What about the Asari's? You going to ignore them and their biased views. They held the Conduit in secret just so they can be superior.
I'll let you think through on this one also, Hyprocrite.

RyanSoup wrote...
Then she gets this magic promotion,

oh and what about Kaiden? yeah, ignored him huh. You're not a hyprocrite are you? Your just ignorant towards others while you spit fire on Ashley.

yeah. some ME fan you are...

racism
discreteer, what?

Did you maybe mean:  distrust?

There is always the possibility that the poster allows Kaidan to die every time on Virmire, since maybe they didn't like Kaidan, and so, doesn't know?

Ash distrust yes with discretion.

*sigh* anyway, I'm done with this post. it's pointless

[Barquiel]

Seifer006 wrote...

The Real Bowser wrote...

Anyone who thinks Ashley is not at least slightly xenophobic is in serious denial and clearly did not touch ME1.

I like Ashley a lot. I mean, she's not Tali... but she is one of my favorite characters in this game.

In ME1, she was definitely one of the more renegade-like characters. I haven't seen her around enough in ME3 to decide how she has changed. She does, at least, seem less xenophobic.

Ash is just discreet in ME1. She isn't racist. I like to know how she's racist lol! Cause she killed Wrex?? Shepard toward her LOOL!! People are on BSN can be so ignorant of simple truths....
Ash was great. I really like her. It's ME3..........that bioware changed her. then again, I didn't like ME3. (you can read my review, click signature)

"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I can't tell the difference between aliens and animals."
"I'm no fan of aliens"

That's why people call her racist, not because she kills Wrex. I think she is a mild racist (at least in ME1/2, I don't recall seeing evidence after that).

[Iakus]

robertthebard wrote...

So by the end of the coup, since she's dropped the problem with Cerberus with you, when you come out of the elevator, she automatically puts her gun away and lets you take Udina?  Because in my game, whichever one it may be points a gun at me and has to be persuaded to not get shot, which frankly has become not worth making sure I catch the interrupts.  We can allow personal feelings about characters to color their actions, but that doesn't mean the actions don't happen.  VS trusts you so much about not being with Cerberus any more that they are willing to shoot you because Udina says you're with them.  This is particularly out of ME 1 Ash's character, since she doesn't like politicians.  It's not like Udina has never betrayed anyone that she knows of, eh?

In my playthrough:

She initially points the gun at the three "assassins" coming through the elevator.  Then puts up her weapon when she recognises Shepard.

Udina starts ranting about how Shepard's with Cerberus.  She points her weapon and Shepard and puts herself between Shep and the Council.  Like a bodyguard is supposed to, and asks "What's going on?"  She is ready to defend teh Council, but is not "willing to shoot" Shepard.  She wanted answers.

I take the interrupt and Shep puts up his weapon (shows I trust her and don't mean her harm) and tells her about the assassins in the elevator.  Ash mentions she trusted the "old" Shepard, pre-Cerberus and doesn't know what to think now (I suspect this line is in every version regardless of trust). Udina rants, the asari Councilor talks about not trusting Shep before and getting burned for it.

Ash looks thoughtful through all this, mutters "I'm gonna regret this"  Shep responds with "No, you won't"  She says "Alright, Skipper" (indicating she trusts you)  and turns her gun on Udina, now believing him to be the true threat.

Whole scene takes a little over a minute.  I timed it.   This was done without any red or blue persuasion text.  And only one dialogue option.  Ash trusted Shepard because she came to believe that this is in fact the "old" Shepard

[Seifer006]

Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

The Real Bowser wrote...

Anyone who thinks Ashley is not at least slightly xenophobic is in serious denial and clearly did not touch ME1.

I like Ashley a lot. I mean, she's not Tali... but she is one of my favorite characters in this game.

In ME1, she was definitely one of the more renegade-like characters. I haven't seen her around enough in ME3 to decide how she has changed. She does, at least, seem less xenophobic.

Ash is just discreet in ME1. She isn't racist. I like to know how she's racist lol! Cause she killed Wrex?? Shepard toward her LOOL!! People are on BSN can be so ignorant of simple truths....
Ash was great. I really like her. It's ME3..........that bioware changed her. then again, I didn't like ME3. (you can read my review, click signature)

"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I can't tell the difference between aliens and animals."
"I'm no fan of aliens"

That's why people call her racist, not because she kills Wrex. I think she is a mild racist (at least in ME1/2, I don't recall seeing evidence after that).

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!

Modifié par Seifer006, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:59 .

[Iakus]

Barquiel wrote...

"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I can't tell the difference between aliens and animals."
"I'm no fan of aliens"

That's why people call her racist, not because she kills Wrex. I think she is a mild racist (at least in ME1/2, I don't recall seeing evidence after that).

First two lines are when you try to string her and Liara along.  No wonder she'd act a little catty. 

The third line is a joke.  Have you ever heard of BEMs?  They're often associated with tin foil miniskirts and thigh high boots.

Fourth line...yeah I've gone over this multiple times how it's totally miinterpreted.

Fifth line is as ambiguous as Shepard breathing.  You can be "no fan" of things without hating them

[Barquiel]

Seifer006 wrote...

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!

I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.

Modifié par Barquiel, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:10 .

[Seifer006]

Barquiel wrote...

"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I can't tell the difference between aliens and animals."
"I'm no fan of aliens"

iakus wrote...
Fifth line is as ambiguous as Shepard breathing.  You can be "no fan" of things without hating them

doesn't mean she's racist. Let's not ignore that she's a fan of Wrex. During those side-missions with Wrex and Garrus she shows appreciation towards them. Heck even those Elevator Conversations Ash shows this.

It's only on Virmire where Ashley Followered Orders from Shepard to kill off Wrex. Which many on BSN have shown over and over many times on why they hate Ashley. I will admit, she isn't a fan of Liara. Heck neither am I. Am I racist?

Modifié par Seifer006, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:10 .