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Barquiel wrote...

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Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!



I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.


I'm no fan of American Cheese. I'm no fan of Footabll. I'm no fan of COD. I'm no fan of President _____ "insert name here*

it's not racism since Ash showed appreciation towards other races ie Garrus and Wrex.

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I was only responding to the sentiment I seem to encounter on this forum, that the other species are egocentrical and should have helped humanity from the beginning eventhough they had their own problems to struggle with.

That they could what they would when they should.  What the Council races did do with humanity from the beginning was engineer a conflict between us and the batarians, a race we (for obvious reasons) had no prior conflict with and had been a problem they had been unable to solve literally for centuries, hoping that we would solve the batarian problem without them having to get overtly involved.

In other words, they sic-ed us on the bear and ran.


And you think they have only done that with humans?? Besides, I doubt humanity would be any different if they were the ones in charge.


Interestingly that's exactly what I've always felt Ashley meant by that statement. That we shouldn't expect the other sapient races to be any more moral than us.

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Anyone who thinks Ashley is not at least slightly xenophobic is in serious denial and clearly did not touch ME1.

I like Ashley a lot. I mean, she's not Tali... but she is one of my favorite characters in this game.

In ME1, she was definitely one of the more renegade-like characters. I haven't seen her around enough in ME3 to decide how she has changed. She does, at least, seem less xenophobic.


Ash is just discreet in ME1. She isn't racist. I like to know how she's racist lol! Cause she killed Wrex?? Shepard toward her LOOL!! People are on BSN can be so ignorant of simple truths....
Ash was great. I really like her. It's ME3..........that bioware changed her. then again, I didn't like ME3. (you can read my review, click signature)



"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I can't tell the difference between aliens and animals."
"I'm no fan of aliens"

That's why people call her racist, not because she kills Wrex. I think she is a mild racist (at least in ME1/2, I don't recall seeing evidence after that).




Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!

I always love that "justification" for a situation that's supposed to not exist.  Wrex is racist because he doesn't trust Salarians and Turians, gee, I wonder why that might be?  I'll give you a hint, it starts with Geno and ends with phage.  I suppose that you'd be perfectly fine with a couple of alien races deciding that you have too many kids, and genetically altering you so you don't?  Hell, I'd probably openly hate them more than just distrust them.

So, by saying that other races are more racist than Ash, you're saying that she's racist too?  However, let's look at why she distrusts aliens:  Her grandfather surrendered to the Turians in the First Contact War.  Why did he surrender?  Well frankly, we don't know.  However, this is why she mistrusts aliens, because they whipped her grandfather so bad he had to say "Uncle"?  If valid distrust of alien species is racist, then Ashley is every bit as racist as anyone can be.

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Ignoring her idiotic racism in the first game, can someone please explain to me why Ashley feels the need to be a giant douche to Shepard after ME1?  I mean, it seems like she's pretty quick to forget who saved her life not only on Horizon, but also Eden Prime and Virmire, and then saved the galaxy to boot.  She could be a bit more grateful like Tali, who I only had to save twice.  Instead, she turns around and accuses Shep of treason, as if she had the capacity to compare with Shepard in any way.  Then she gets this magic promotion, while still demonstrating just how submissive and crazy she is on Mars.  "I know you saved me and the galaxy and all, but I can't forgive you for working with a group that I really have no personal quarrel with."

I mean hell, Cerberus really didn't play a huge part in ME1 anyway
So what's the deal

Look at you you entitled douche. Ashley doesn't NEED you. She seemed to be handling herself just fine on Eden prime, hell she takes out two geth drones singlehandedly and then makes it to cover to prepare to strike at the Geth platforms following her wth her assault rifle. You just happened to be there when she did. She IS grateful when you do that and you help her kill the geth responsible for the death of her entire unit. GRanted you have a point on Horizon, but you're a traitor. You work for Cerberus you idiot. She's an alliane soldier and Cerberus is a terrorist organization that spits in the face of alliane and council law. You don't take her with you so she has no idea what you're doing. Not everyone can commit treason like TAli and get away with it because they're the offspring of an admiral. Speaking of Tali, you might want to look up the definition of racism. Ashley questions letting non-allied aliens like a Turian (just got out of a massive war with them 26 years ago and there's TONS of animosity between the two species) and a Krogan (the galaxy's token criminal race, hell you find Wrex at C-sec after he's been taken in) onboard your race's most advanced ship, hell in ME3 it's revealed that Tali Stole the Normandy's steal tech and brought it back to the migrant fleet, guess that's how she completed her pilgrimmage, way to go Shep you got Alliance tech stolen by another race, Ashley was right.

To Ashley, you FAKED your death and went to work for Cerberus then disappeared. She's not someone outside the Narrative, she does not know what you were doing or who you are loyal to. She dosn't have the lurxury of being on teh outside of the 4th wall. She's one of the most well written charcters in the game. SOMEONE had to question your ties to cerberus. Tali sure doesn't because she joins you despite it being a Cerberus Normandy. She is submissive as she does everything you tell her to, hell she even gives you her authority in the final battle on rannoch. She's not a strong enough character like Ashley is to make her own decisions and have her own life separate from Commander Shepard. Ashley worked through her black listing on her own while you were off working fro a terorist organization responsible for great atrocities. Do your research before spouting lies about a character.:lol:

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Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!



I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.


I'm no fan of cats
I'm no fan of spicy food
I'm no fan of Democrats/Republicans
I'm no fan of taxes
I'm no fan of golf

"I'm no fan of" can mean anything

And yes, those lines are from when you try to romance both Ash and Liara at the same time.

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Seifer006 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!



I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.


I'm no fan of American Cheese. I'm no fan of Footabll. I'm no fan of COD. I'm no fan of President _____ "insert name here*

it's not racism since Ash showed appreciation towards other races ie Garrus and Wrex.

Wait, back up there speedy.  The whole point to her initial comments that lead people to believe she's racist are Tali, Garrus and Wrex.  Let's not rewrite the games to suit arguements here.

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Everyone knows the galaxy's biggest tool is Shepard.

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Goneaviking wrote...

Interestingly that's exactly what I've always felt Ashley meant by that statement. That we shouldn't expect the other sapient races to be any more moral than us.


That's exactly what she meant.  SHe even calles it "'human'" nature.  She's not giving aliens any charactaristics she doesn't find inhumans.

In fact, she and Kaidan are alike that way.  The only difference is Kaidan is more willing to extend trust.  Both of tem see aliens as just people, good and bad.  But Ash sees them as having priorities and agendas that are not necessarilly humanity's.  Therefore, humanity needs to be able to stand strong on its own, without help from others.  Because a time may come when Earth does stand alone

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Seifer006 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!



I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.


I'm no fan of American Cheese. I'm no fan of Footabll. I'm no fan of COD. I'm no fan of President _____ "insert name here*

it's not racism since Ash showed appreciation towards other races ie Garrus and Wrex.

If those lines are racist, Garrus is racist against quarians for telling Tali she should be contrite that the Geth are causing everyone problems instead of just the quarians. Hell EVERYONE should be racist for acknowledging that someone is a different race/species than they are. Also the "I can't tell the Aliens from the animals" is true because She's never served with aliens, or been around them at all. That's not racism/xenophbic if it's a fact.
Racism is hating someone for being a different species than you. Ashley does hate anyone that's not affiliated with Cerberus. She doesn't hte garrus, or Tali, or even Wrex whom she has the option to kill whn He's threatening her CO. she doesn't advocate genocide of an entire species, Nor does she take part in seterlizing an entire race. No she has problems with letting non-alliance onto the Alliances most advanced ship and is accused of racism because she can't tell what species on the citadels are sapient, because you'd think all of them are, but the Keepers don't have any say in council space.

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robertthebard wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

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Anyone who thinks Ashley is not at least slightly xenophobic is in serious denial and clearly did not touch ME1.

I like Ashley a lot. I mean, she's not Tali... but she is one of my favorite characters in this game.

In ME1, she was definitely one of the more renegade-like characters. I haven't seen her around enough in ME3 to decide how she has changed. She does, at least, seem less xenophobic.


Ash is just discreet in ME1. She isn't racist. I like to know how she's racist lol! Cause she killed Wrex?? Shepard toward her LOOL!! People are on BSN can be so ignorant of simple truths....
Ash was great. I really like her. It's ME3..........that bioware changed her. then again, I didn't like ME3. (you can read my review, click signature)



"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I can't tell the difference between aliens and animals."
"I'm no fan of aliens"

That's why people call her racist, not because she kills Wrex. I think she is a mild racist (at least in ME1/2, I don't recall seeing evidence after that).




Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!

I always love that "justification" for a situation that's supposed to not exist.  Wrex is racist because he doesn't trust Salarians and Turians, gee, I wonder why that might be?  I'll give you a hint, it starts with Geno and ends with phage.  I suppose that you'd be perfectly fine with a couple of alien races deciding that you have too many kids, and genetically altering you so you don't?  Hell, I'd probably openly hate them more than just distrust them.

So, by saying that other races are more racist than Ash, you're saying that she's racist too?  However, let's look at why she distrusts aliens:  Her grandfather surrendered to the Turians in the First Contact War.  Why did he surrender?  Well frankly, we don't know.  However, this is why she mistrusts aliens, because they whipped her grandfather so bad he had to say "Uncle"?  If valid distrust of alien species is racist, then Ashley is every bit as racist as anyone can be.


yes. Very true. I agree. She definitely distrust them (and I made that clear in my points) if she's racist ok, probably. I'm not saying she's NOT racist by any means. But the OP here on this post is making like she's racist without a valid reason. And I tried to explain that if she's racist, there's justification (like the Krogans)
Plus, I showed there's other races in the galaxy are also racist towards other races...

Anyway, what you said was well. and I agree. I didn't say like you did, but there's no adding to it.

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robertthebard wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!



I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.


I'm no fan of American Cheese. I'm no fan of Footabll. I'm no fan of COD. I'm no fan of President _____ "insert name here*

it's not racism since Ash showed appreciation towards other races ie Garrus and Wrex.

Wait, back up there speedy.  The whole point to her initial comments that lead people to believe she's racist are Tali, Garrus and Wrex.  Let's not rewrite the games to suit arguements here.


No her initial comments were towrads suggesting that the non Alliance personnal (in this case aliens) be kept out of the secure areas. This isn't racism, it's just common protocal/sense. If the US was on a joint mission do you think the outsider's engineers would have free access to ships and such?

Modifié par Fawx9, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:25 .


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Fawx9 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!



I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.


I'm no fan of American Cheese. I'm no fan of Footabll. I'm no fan of COD. I'm no fan of President _____ "insert name here*

it's not racism since Ash showed appreciation towards other races ie Garrus and Wrex.

Wait, back up there speedy.  The whole point to her initial comments that lead people to believe she's racist are Tali, Garrus and Wrex.  Let's not rewrite the games to suit arguements here.


No her initial comments were towrads suggesting that the non Alliance personnal (in this case aliens) be kept out of the secure areas. This isn't racism, it's just common protocal/sense. If the US was on a joint mission China do you think the Chineese engineers would have free access to ships and such?




It's no longer an Alliance ship.
Sheps a spectre, he does what the **** he wants.

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Seifer006 wrote...

yes. Very true. I agree. She definitely distrust them (and I made that clear in my points) if she's racist ok, probably. I'm not saying she's NOT racist by any means. But the OP here on this post is making like she's racist without a valid reason. And I tried to explain that if she's racist, there's justification (like the Krogans)
Plus, I showed there's other races in the galaxy are also racist towards other races...

Anyway, what you said was well. and I agree. I didn't say like you did, but there's no adding to it.

The irony to this is that, as much as I think both VS can be tools, I don't think she's racist.  I don't think I can justify her distrust of aliens, but I don't have to.Posted Image

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It's no longer an Alliance ship.
Sheps a spectre, he does what the **** he wants.


Paragon Shepard explicitly states that it's still an Alliance vessel when interviewed by miss al-Jilani. He still identifies himself by his rank within the Alliance military and all of the crew assigned to his vessel are still on the Alliance payroll.

Normandy is still an Alliance vessel, and Shepard still accepts the authority of higher ranking members of the Alliance.

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Goneaviking wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

It's no longer an Alliance ship.
Sheps a spectre, he does what the **** he wants.


Paragon Shepard explicitly states that it's still an Alliance vessel when interviewed by miss al-Jilani. He still identifies himself by his rank within the Alliance military and all of the crew assigned to his vessel are still on the Alliance payroll.

Normandy is still an Alliance vessel, and Shepard still accepts the authority of higher ranking members of the Alliance.


He's still a spectre and therefore the ship is technically not Alliance. He can say it is all he likes, technically the ship is his.

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Fawx9 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!



I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.


I'm no fan of American Cheese. I'm no fan of Footabll. I'm no fan of COD. I'm no fan of President _____ "insert name here*

it's not racism since Ash showed appreciation towards other races ie Garrus and Wrex.

Wait, back up there speedy.  The whole point to her initial comments that lead people to believe she's racist are Tali, Garrus and Wrex.  Let's not rewrite the games to suit arguements here.


No her initial comments were towrads suggesting that the non Alliance personnal (in this case aliens) be kept out of the secure areas. This isn't racism, it's just common protocal/sense. If the US was on a joint mission do you think the outsider's engineers would have free access to ships and such?

This despite the "Alliance" ship being an Alliance/Turian project.  You don't have to play very far into the game at all to know that, just past where Shepard gets to the Bridge, and listen to Joker and Kaidan talk.  Either way, while I don't share the opinion, this is where people get the opinion, or part of it.  Just pointing out this little tidbit for the gossip reel.Posted Image

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iakus wrote...

I'm no fan of cats
I'm no fan of spicy food
I'm no fan of Democrats/Republicans
I'm no fan of taxes
I'm no fan of golf

"I'm no fan of" can mean anything

And yes, those lines are from when you try to romance both Ash and Liara at the same time.


indeed, it depends on the context

"I am no fan of Israel because..." ok
"I am no fan of jewish people" is problematic, IMO

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Hey, Mexicans will always leave you in a pinch when the going gets tough. They'll throw you under the bus to save their own skin. It's not their fault. Not really. It's just they way they are.

So that's not racist? Because that's pretty much what ash says.

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F4H bandicoot wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

It's no longer an Alliance ship.
Sheps a spectre, he does what the **** he wants.


Paragon Shepard explicitly states that it's still an Alliance vessel when interviewed by miss al-Jilani. He still identifies himself by his rank within the Alliance military and all of the crew assigned to his vessel are still on the Alliance payroll.

Normandy is still an Alliance vessel, and Shepard still accepts the authority of higher ranking members of the Alliance.


He's still a spectre and therefore the ship is technically not Alliance. He can say it is all he likes, technically the ship is his.


Oh so that's why Udina can lock out the systems. And why taking it back is considered to be treason against the Alliance.

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F4H bandicoot wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

It's no longer an Alliance ship.
Sheps a spectre, he does what the **** he wants.


Paragon Shepard explicitly states that it's still an Alliance vessel when interviewed by miss al-Jilani. He still identifies himself by his rank within the Alliance military and all of the crew assigned to his vessel are still on the Alliance payroll.

Normandy is still an Alliance vessel, and Shepard still accepts the authority of higher ranking members of the Alliance.


He's still a spectre and therefore the ship is technically not Alliance. He can say it is all he likes, technically the ship is his.


Technically the ship is Alliance, however it's been placed in his charge. He can do with it what he wants, but he was negligent in his obligations to allow Tali to go through and take notes on classified technology.

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Fawx9 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

It's no longer an Alliance ship.
Sheps a spectre, he does what the **** he wants.


Paragon Shepard explicitly states that it's still an Alliance vessel when interviewed by miss al-Jilani. He still identifies himself by his rank within the Alliance military and all of the crew assigned to his vessel are still on the Alliance payroll.

Normandy is still an Alliance vessel, and Shepard still accepts the authority of higher ranking members of the Alliance.


He's still a spectre and therefore the ship is technically not Alliance. He can say it is all he likes, technically the ship is his.


Oh so that's why Udina can lock out the systems. And why taking it back is considered to be treason against the Alliance.

While I don't disagree that the SR1 is an Alliance Vessel, Udina can lock any ship he chooses, with Council approval.  He may be a (edited for television), but he's an Ambassador, and has that authority.  He could lock any Council race ship at the time, with something to go on other than "I want to", which he had for locking the Normandy.  They didn't want Shepard going to Ilos.

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robertthebard wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Well most of those "quotes" have to do with shepard cheating on Ash. So
it's understandable why she's like that. And lets not forget the other
races. Their more racist then Ash is.....................

Also,  the last two quotes of Ash. Aren't even Racist quotes......LOL!!



I'm no fan of aliens.
That's the same as...
I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

And the other quotes have nothing to do with cheating. Shepard simply choose Liara in ME1, and not Ashley.
I don't hate Ashley (and you're right, she isn't the only racist in the galaxy), but some of her comments can easily be construed as racism.


I'm no fan of American Cheese. I'm no fan of Footabll. I'm no fan of COD. I'm no fan of President _____ "insert name here*

it's not racism since Ash showed appreciation towards other races ie Garrus and Wrex.

Wait, back up there speedy.  The whole point to her initial comments that lead people to believe she's racist are Tali, Garrus and Wrex.  Let's not rewrite the games to suit arguements here.


No her initial comments were towrads suggesting that the non Alliance personnal (in this case aliens) be kept out of the secure areas. This isn't racism, it's just common protocal/sense. If the US was on a joint mission do you think the outsider's engineers would have free access to ships and such?

This despite the "Alliance" ship being an Alliance/Turian project.  You don't have to play very far into the game at all to know that, just past where Shepard gets to the Bridge, and listen to Joker and Kaidan talk.  Either way, while I don't share the opinion, this is where people get the opinion, or part of it.  Just pointing out this little tidbit for the gossip reel.Posted Image


It's a joint project, true, but its still the same thing. The new guys are basically mercs and one even went out of his way to kill someone before you gave the order.

Ashley and Pressly are simply expressing a concern over having relatively unknowns(at that point) near the ships core areas.

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Fawx9 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

It's no longer an Alliance ship.
Sheps a spectre, he does what the **** he wants.


Paragon Shepard explicitly states that it's still an Alliance vessel when interviewed by miss al-Jilani. He still identifies himself by his rank within the Alliance military and all of the crew assigned to his vessel are still on the Alliance payroll.

Normandy is still an Alliance vessel, and Shepard still accepts the authority of higher ranking members of the Alliance.


He's still a spectre and therefore the ship is technically not Alliance. He can say it is all he likes, technically the ship is his.


Oh so that's why Udina can lock out the systems. And why taking it back is considered to be treason against the Alliance.


The Alliance still consider it under their jurisdiction apparently, (Apologies)
However, as a spectre, Shep can do what the hell he wants with the crew and the ship, as no one is going to question him.

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jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Hey, Mexicans will always leave you in a pinch when the going gets tough. They'll throw you under the bus to save their own skin. It's not their fault. Not really. It's just they way they are.

So that's not racist? Because that's pretty much what ash says.


No what she says is more like: Don't expect Mexico to have our back if it isn't in their interests.

Which isn't racist at all.

She also implies that humanity wouldn't behave any differently.

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robertthebard wrote...

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F4H bandicoot wrote...

It's no longer an Alliance ship.
Sheps a spectre, he does what the **** he wants.


Paragon Shepard explicitly states that it's still an Alliance vessel when interviewed by miss al-Jilani. He still identifies himself by his rank within the Alliance military and all of the crew assigned to his vessel are still on the Alliance payroll.

Normandy is still an Alliance vessel, and Shepard still accepts the authority of higher ranking members of the Alliance.


He's still a spectre and therefore the ship is technically not Alliance. He can say it is all he likes, technically the ship is his.


Oh so that's why Udina can lock out the systems. And why taking it back is considered to be treason against the Alliance.

While I don't disagree that the SR1 is an Alliance Vessel, Udina can lock any ship he chooses, with Council approval.  He may be a (edited for television), but he's an Ambassador, and has that authority.  He could lock any Council race ship at the time, with something to go on other than "I want to", which he had for locking the Normandy.  They didn't want Shepard going to Ilos.


LOL Udina can't touch anything that's not Alliance. You think he has enough clout to lock out a Turian Ship as an ambassador?