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[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

That really doesn't make it any less obnoxious.

...why would humanity end up like the drell? Unlike the drell humans can live quite peacefully on most planets other council species live on.

I mean reduced to a tiny fraction of its original population and likely totally dependant on the largess of another race to survive.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That really doesn't make it any less obnoxious.

...why would humanity end up like the drell? Unlike the drell humans can live quite peacefully on most planets other council species live on.

I mean reduced to a tiny fraction of its original population and likely totally dependant on the largess of another race to survive.

For a time yes. But a few million will grow to a decent amount in time. That and good old fashioned human ingenuity. We would find ways not only to survive but flourish.

[DevilBeast]

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...
ady overrun.  Mainly because their military and government seems to be run by people who eat paste.[/quote]

Yeah but the planet they seem fixated on is Earth. Which is bleeeh to me. Wouldn't be so bad if Shepard didn't join in it.

And yeah this cycle's governement was idiotic. The Protheans would've curbstomped the Reapers if they got the warning our cycles got.

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THey way I figure it, that's where the vast majority of the human population is.  They'd only been traveling the relay network for a few decades, while every other race had been doing so for centuries or even millenia.  They were probably spread out a lot more.

If the sol system got eaten by the Reapers, what's left of humanity would likely end up like the drell...

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If that happened we would need to save the hanar. Otherwise, who would save humanity then??

[Goneaviking]

Ryzaki wrote...

That really doesn't make it any less obnoxious.

...why would humanity end up like the drell? Unlike the drell humans can live quite peacefully on most planets other council species live on.

The drell essentially destroyed their own homeworld and were rescued from extinction by the Hanar, and on whose generosity they continue depend - they're so subservient they willingly hand over their children to be trained as killers in the service of their patrons.

Having lost the bulk of their population, and their own homebase the drell have essentially no political power and no means to influence the course of the societies in which they live. They have even less presence and influence than the quarian who are openly detested by most other races for their nomadic ways and construction of the geth.

With no homeworld and a tiny population humanity would be at the mercy of any power who survived the reaper apocalypse in reasonable condition and would almost certainly be reduced to someone else's drell caste.

[robertthebard]

Goneaviking wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That really doesn't make it any less obnoxious.

...why would humanity end up like the drell? Unlike the drell humans can live quite peacefully on most planets other council species live on.

The drell essentially destroyed their own homeworld and were rescued from extinction by the Hanar, and on whose generosity they continue depend - they're so subservient they willingly hand over their children to be trained as killers in the service of their patrons.

Having lost the bulk of their population, and their own homebase the drell have essentially no political power and no means to influence the course of the societies in which they live. They have even less presence and influence than the quarian who are openly detested by most other races for their nomadic ways and construction of the geth.

With no homeworld and a tiny population humanity would be at the mercy of any power who survived the reaper apocalypse in reasonable condition and would almost certainly be reduced to someone else's drell caste.

My Brutal Renegade Shepard would be Queen of the Galaxy.

[Ryzaki]

Goneaviking wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That really doesn't make it any less obnoxious.

...why would humanity end up like the drell? Unlike the drell humans can live quite peacefully on most planets other council species live on.

The drell essentially destroyed their own homeworld and were rescued from extinction by the Hanar, and on whose generosity they continue depend - they're so subservient they willingly hand over their children to be trained as killers in the service of their patrons.

Having lost the bulk of their population, and their own homebase the drell have essentially no political power and no means to influence the course of the societies in which they live. They have even less presence and influence than the quarian who are openly detested by most other races for their nomadic ways and construction of the geth.

With no homeworld and a tiny population humanity would be at the mercy of any power who survived the reaper apocalypse in reasonable condition and would almost certainly be reduced to someone else's drell caste.

Not even. The drell weren't an advanced race to begin with. I believe according to Thane they didn't even reach space travelling ability. They didn't have a seat on the council, they weren't leaders of tech and...did they even have as many colonies as humanity does? Yes I know about the drell. Arguging that humanity would become them is where you lose me.

So no...I'm not seeing humanity being reduced to the drell caste even with a severely lowered population. Maybe Quarian like state but instead of being pariahs being accepted into society. But not drell.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:32 .

[Andy the Black]

I'm to lazy and tired to read this whole thread so apologies if this has been brought up.
The reason Ash hates Cerberus is because of the pretty despicable things they did in the first game, most of which was against the very people who's interest they claim to serve. Hell, I hated Cerberus before I'd even read Ascension just from the things they did in Mass 1. I mean, turning colonists into Husks, murdering Alliance Admirals, Akuze? No, these were people anyone with a dissent bone in their body were not going to like.

And she's not really racist, not in that she's going around shooting Turians just for being Turian, she just thinks humans should put their own interests first. And she kinda mellows a bit through out the first game I thought.

And of for the record I'm in no way an Ashley fan boy, she almost never makes it off Virmire in my games.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:42 .

[DPSSOC]

Ryzaki wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
And no humans were pushing hard for THEIR world. They weren't saying "let's build an army to defeat the Reapers." but instead "Earth earth earth." and since my Shep was either a spacer or a colonist hearing him bleet about Earth got annoying real quick.

Poor phrasing I meant all human worlds.  At the point Earth gets hit Alliance space is already overrun.  Mainly because their military and government seems to be run by people who eat paste.

Yeah but the planet they seem fixated on is Earth. Which is bleeeh to me. Wouldn't be so bad if Shepard didn't join in it.

Agreed, I wouldn't mind if just Earthborn Shep joined in, but why the heck do Spacer or Colonist Shepard care.  They were born and raised off-world, it's entirely possible they've only ever spent the 6 months on Earth.

[DPSSOC]

Ryzaki wrote...
So no...I'm not seeing humanity being reduced to the drell caste even with a severely lowered population. Maybe Quarian like state but instead of being pariahs being accepted into society. But not drell.

I agree that humanity wouldn't go the way of the Drell, more likely the Rachni.  Assuming the other powers that be survive the Reapers there are potentially 2 military powers that have wanted to curb stomp humanity for 30 years, and with humanity's population decimated, our fleets heavily damaged, and our primary production means destroyed guess what.  They can.  Happy days for us eh?

[Ryzaki]

DPSSOC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
So no...I'm not seeing humanity being reduced to the drell caste even with a severely lowered population. Maybe Quarian like state but instead of being pariahs being accepted into society. But not drell.

I agree that humanity wouldn't go the way of the Drell, more likely the Rachni.  Assuming the other powers that be survive the Reapers there are potentially 2 military powers that have wanted to curb stomp humanity for 30 years, and with humanity's population decimated, our fleets heavily damaged, and our primary production means destroyed guess what.  They can.  Happy days for us eh?

Which military powers? Turians and Human relations have been constantly improving (to the point that they're building top secret ships together and are the first allies you can get in the Reaper war) and the Batarians are far worse of than humanity even if they did lose Earth.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:49 .

[BP93]

*insert Did Not Read gif here*

[DPSSOC]

Ryzaki wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
So no...I'm not seeing humanity being reduced to the drell caste even with a severely lowered population. Maybe Quarian like state but instead of being pariahs being accepted into society. But not drell.

I agree that humanity wouldn't go the way of the Drell, more likely the Rachni.  Assuming the other powers that be survive the Reapers there are potentially 2 military powers that have wanted to curb stomp humanity for 30 years, and with humanity's population decimated, our fleets heavily damaged, and our primary production means destroyed guess what.  They can.  Happy days for us eh?

Which military powers? Turians and Human relations have been constantly improving (to the point that they're building top secret ships together and are the first allies you can get in the Reaper war) and the Batarians are far worse of than humanity even if they did lose Earth.

ME1 there are still Turians, quite a few, who don't like humans.  Depending on how you handle the Citadel decision they outright hate humans in ME2.  Even in a best case scenario you still see examples of anti-human sentiment among Turians.  Hate dies a slow death, the old guard who fought in the 1st Contact War are still very much alive and probably in charge, the minute they no longer need to play nice with the humans, they'll stop.

As for the Batarians they've been able to hound us, raze entire colonies, and take thousands of people as slaves from a position of relative weakness, exactly what makes you think they won't continue, and again without things like stable infrastructure and political, economic, or military weight those strikes are gonna cut a lot deeper.

[Ryzaki]

Where's the evidence for this massive hate? The only turian you see with a huge grudge against humanity is Saren. Even the turian councilor for all his snark is content to keep it verbal.

That and I always save the council so they're considerable warmed up to humanity.

As long as the Asari and Salarians are still in power the turians won't bother trying to wipe out humanity. For one thing it's counterproductive at that point and for another the other races won't let them do it.

...those slavers were supported by the Hedgemony. Which...at the time of the Reaper war is in shambles so yeah pretty damn sure they won't be able to continue with anywhere near as much enthusiasm as they had before.

[DPSSOC]

2 quick questions; why would the Asari and Salarians stop the Turians? We're not an unknown quantity like we were in the 1st Contact War nor are we useful to them like we were in the years since. They lose nothing but an annoying gnat in their ear.

Second question, what makes you think Batarian leadership is in shambles? I got the impression from Balak that what was left of their military force (this is the only scenario where the Batarians are a problem I think) was rather well organized under him. You know the crazy guy who wanted to drop an asteroid on a planet. Did I mention he's crazy because he is.

Edit: stupid keyboard, I'll have to go back through the games but I remember references to Turian dislike of humans.  Off the top of my head Shepard can mention it to Nihlus and Executor Pallin mentions it in ME1.  Then in ME2 you have the "You humans are all racist" guy.  Again that's just off the top of my head.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:47 .

[Ryzaki]

Great so it didn't go through? Fabulous.

I posted early.

The Asari and Salarians would stop the turians because genocide isn't acceptable unless you know there's an actual clear and present danger.

Not to mention the Turians would have little reason to try to wipe humanity out to begin with.

Second Balak says it, the description of the fall or Kershawn or whatever their planet's name is says it. They have no resources. They can barely survive after the Reapers hit.

And yeah that's a to me anyway perfectly justified reaction to humanity steamrolling their way through everything and breaking centuries worth of tradition. It doesn't mean they'd wipe humanity off the map if they could.