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[Bolt-Action]

Soltana wrote...

1.) Alenko dies heroically on Virmire
2.) Call Ashley out on her BS on Horizon
3.) Put her down like a dog during the coup
4.) Lol when she tells you she hopes the Reapers send you to hell
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5.) Profit!

So true, could not stop laughing 

The ladies will hate me for saying this...but!I hated Kaiden since ME2In a mocking voice, " hey shep thanks for saving these colonists and me on horizon." no problem Kaiden my ole buddy ole pal. Oh, Shep, can I please come on your suicide mission? Please, no Kaiden, you're in time out for being a *rick."And his bull chit continued in the beginning of ME3
At least Ash sends you an apology letter after her BS on Horizon

[Marauder Shieldz]

 And people wonder why i pick Tali. 

[Fawx9]

Total Biscuit wrote...

I'd say she's a tool, as in slang for a dick.

Ashley Williams is definitely a dick.

I mean ignore the Xenophobia and ****yness, her dog metophore always made me want to reach through the screen and slap her.

If my dog was beig attacked by a bear, I'd attack the damned bear with just my bare (ah-ha) hands if there was nothing to use as a weapon. Same with any of my pets. And I very much doubt there are many dog lovers that wouldn't do the same. Most pets are like children to their owners, they even cause the exact same neurological changes in the brain as having a baby does.

You can love and value something unconditionally even if it isn't the same species. The fact that she can't comprehend that is a far more damning personality trait than some mild racism/fear of the different.

What you described is a beloved pet.

Not a hunting dog.

If you're out on a hunting party and you have to choose between yourself/comrades and a  hunting dog which do you think you'll choose?

The Alliance in their infancy are decibed as the dogs of the council. She is mearly pointing out that those dogs are normaly put in bad postitions when things go to hell. She instead wants the Alliance to rise up and grow for itself, so it can stand as equals, not something the council sicks on their problems becuase they dont want to deal with it.

[Ageless Face]

Bolt-Action wrote...
At least Ash sends you an apology letter after her BS on Horizon

So does Kaidan. If you romance him. Just like Ashley does if you romance her. 

[Bolt-Action]

Marauder Shieldz wrote...

 And people wonder why i pick Tali. 

Uhhhhh....because its Tali

My Sheps all fall for Tali (understandable) 

[Bolt-Action]

HagarIshay wrote...

Bolt-Action wrote...
At least Ash sends you an apology letter after her BS on Horizon

So does Kaidan. If you romance him. Just like Ashley does if you romance her. 

Uh yeah, not gonna happen, I just threw up in my mouth a little at the thought

[sth128]

Ash should not be so trusting of the Alliance either. Her family was condemned to low rank duty in the service because of a military decision made decades ago. I don't see how Ash would be "Alliance first".

If Ash truly believed that humanity should watch out for itself first then she should have joined Shepard. The Alliance didn't do anything to help out Horizon other than some guns that DO NOT WORK. The Alliance also abandoned Eden Prime and didn't bother chasing down Cerberus until the Reapers invaded.

The Alliance is the least functional governing body of all time.

And before you say "no Alliance didn't abandon Eden Prime", YES THEY DID. It only took 3 people (Shepard + 2 random people) to take down the ENTIRE Cerberus force on Eden Prime. Both times.

Even if Shepard is worth 5 N7 soldiers, Alliance couldn't spare a squad of N7 to fight off an invasion? Where was the Alliance when Shepard took on the Collectors? Where was the Alliance when Cerberus built a giant base and took in hundreds of thousands of refugees?

Everyone in the Alliance just do nothing all day long. When the Reapers hit Vancouver, all the admirals were literally sitting in their chairs asking Shepard "what do we do"?

Even the Turians gave Garrus a squad and some resources. The Alliance knew first hand the kind of power Reapers hold and the Alliance did NOTHING. They didn't even bother upgrading their cannons until Shepard collected the plans and resources for them.

Ash is the biggest tool in the galaxy. Ash abandoned the ONLY PERSON in the entire galaxy who isn't a lazy a-hat. Ash abandoned the ONLY PERSON in the entire galaxy who risked his life to save her. Ash abandoned the HERO OF THE CITADEL to follow *bleep* Udina.

Ash should die. Ash should die slowly being dissolved by a Reaper harvester as she come to the realization that she did EVERYTHING wrong.

[iamweaver]

Total Biscuit wrote...

I mean ignore the Xenophobia and ****yness, her dog metophore always made me want to reach through the screen and slap her.

You do realize that she was describing how the more powerful alien races treat humans, right?  Just like they did with the Krogan?  It's actually quite an apt metaphor.

And tell me - what Navy chief in their right mind wouldn't see a problem with Krogan bounty hunters and disgraced Turian ex-C-sec personnel having free access to the Normandy?  When in actuality, access to the highly-classified systems on the Normandy would be restricted  unavailable to most Alliance members, to say nothing of Human civilians?

I would be more worried about her if she were quoting Kipling instead of Tennyson, by the way .

Modifié par iamweaver, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:40 .

[Marauder Shieldz]

Bolt-Action wrote...

Marauder Shieldz wrote...

 And people wonder why i pick Tali. 

Uhhhhh....because its Tali

My Sheps all fall for Tali (understandable) 

[iamweaver]

sth128 wrote...

Ash is the biggest tool in the galaxy. Ash abandoned the ONLY PERSON in the entire galaxy who isn't a lazy a-hat. Ash abandoned the ONLY PERSON in the entire galaxy who risked his life to save her. Ash abandoned the HERO OF THE CITADEL to follow *bleep* Udina.

Yeah, after all, it's not as though Shepherd wasn't rebuilt from death, incorporating large amounts of Cerberus technology like the Centurian whose helmet they opened there on Mars. After all, one thing that Cerberus certainly can't do is to create sleeper agents.  That's not their style.

Oh.  Wait.

In ME3, it takes a bit before you can overcome the VS concerns about you being you.  If you actually visit him/her in the hospital (showing that it was probably your choice to rescue them, not James/Liara) and chat with them, and continue to show the same personality that you had before Cerberus rebuilt you, then you're golden.


**EDIT**
As for following Udina - I can't fault the VS for agreeing to become a Spectre.  Spectre agents have a very useful role to play.  So would becoming a member of your crew, of course - but you don't make that offer to the VS.  So it's actually *you* being a d***.

Modifié par iamweaver, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:52 .

[iSousek]

Tali : What was that Shepard? You were rebuild by a terrorist organization who tried to commit genocide on my ppl. And you are working for them? You are not sure yourself if you are a clone or a VI? Yes no problem i trust you.

Ashley is not a tool, she is maybe the only realistic character in the game who is not written to appease egos and fantasies of childish gamers.

And BTW if she acts like a complete douche to you, guess what, you have no one to blame but yourself and how you treated her.

In my playthrough there was never a debate should she lower her gun, you don't even need the paragon interrupt. She simply lowers it because she has faith in you and goes on to arrest Udina.

So no, Ashley never abandons you, it is you who abandons her.

End of line.

Modifié par iSousek, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:50 .

[Fawx9]

sth128 wrote...
Ash is the biggest tool in the galaxy. Ash abandoned the ONLY PERSON in the entire galaxy who isn't a lazy a-hat. Ash abandoned the ONLY PERSON in the entire galaxy who risked his life to save her. Ash abandoned the HERO OF THE CITADEL to follow *bleep* Udina.

Uhh you could tell her to take the spectre appointment.

Are you saying that she shouldn't be protecting Udina as a spectre even though she doesn't know he's a traitor?

Oh and if you aren't a total dick to her she wont think your brainwashed, and will side with you. Is it really that hard to do that?

[Marauder Shieldz]

iSousek wrote...

Tali : What was that Shepard? You were rebuild by a terrorist organization who tried to commit genocide on my ppl. And you are working for them? You are not sure yourself if you are a clone or a VI? Yes no problem i trust you.

Ashley is not a tool, she is maybe the only realistic character in the game who is not written to appease egos and fantasies of childish gamers.

And BTW if she acts lika a complete douche to you, guess what, you have noone to blame but yourself and how you treated her.

In my playthrough there was never a debate should she lower her gun, you don't even need the paragon interrupt. She simply lowers it because she has faith in you and goes on to arrest Udina.

So no, Ashley never abandons you, it is you who abandons her.

End of line.

I don't remember being confused as a clone or VI. Don't know where you got that from.

And Tali's not the only one who reacts like that. Garrus, Liara, Wrex, etc. They all act like that. You insult Tali and you are basically insulting every character.

And its simple preference / opinion on who you don't like and who you do. I don't like Ash because in the first one she came off as a rascist jealous baffoon who questions every decision you make. She then acts like a **** to you on Horizon and even continues on like that in the start of ME3.

I like Tali cause she's loyal from the start till the end, like Garrus. Their the ones who you can always depend on and are always there for you, and vice versa. 

Modifié par Marauder Shieldz, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:55 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

I kinda hate how Ashley brings up Cerberus. Like give it a rest. You didn't come with me in Mass Effect 2, I went back to the alliance after the events of Mass Effect 2 and was basically put on house arrest and now I'm back in Mass Effect 3 fighting the good fight and she's still skeptical of me and Cerberus? WTF.

And this is why killing her was so satisfying.

Someone steals her cereals, that´s why she hated so much Cerberus ...

[sth128]

iamweaver wrote...

In ME3, it takes a bit before you can overcome the VS concerns about you being you.  If you actually visit him/her in the hospital [...] then you're golden.

Not like Shepard is busy trying to unite the galaxy or anything. Ash witnessed first hand the lack of effort on the Alliance. Ash witnessed first hand how Shepard single-handedly stopped the Reaper invasion. Ash also witnessed first hand how Udina BETRAYED Shepard and grounded Normandy.

But hey, if Shep doesn't come visit me, I'm gonna shoot him. Ash is a tool.

Fawx9 wrote...

Uhh you could tell her to take the spectre appointment.

Are you saying that she shouldn't be protecting Udina as a spectre even though she doesn't know he's a traitor?

I'm saying she should know who to trust between Shepard and Udina. I'm saying she should strive to be a better Spectre than Saren. I'm saying she should be following the guy who stopped the Reapers, saved the Council, and united the galaxy; instead of following the guy who did nothing to aid Shepard, did nothing to aid Horizon, grounded Normandy and tried to stop Shepard the first time around.

Ash gave her loyalty so freely to Udina but finds it difficult to trust Shepard?

Exactly what has Shepard done to even warrant the mistrust? Shepard didn't blow up a city or invade a colony. Shepard has had the Council's trust since the start of ME3. Anderson trusts Shepard. Hackett trusts Shepard.

How big a tool is Ash that she thinks she can't trust someone that Anderson, Hackett, the Council, and the entire galaxy are depending on, but Udina - totally trustworthy?!

[robertthebard]

HagarIshay wrote...

Ashley, a tool? Um, no. The fact she didn't join Shepard and stayed loyal to her principles kind of shows she's not one.

And by the way, Cerberus are terrosrists. Even if they didn't play a big part in ME1, they still did some nasty things. The Alliance needed to handle with them more than enough times. Hell, Alliance even thought Horizon was going to get hit by Cerberus. Ashley did nothing on Mars that any rational person with a brain won't do. Shepard did nothing to make Ashley believe s/he's the same person she once knew. For all Ashley knows, Shepard is still a terrorist, working with Cerberus or not.

Yes, because spending the first hour of the game harping on you about why Cerberus is on Mars == not a tool.  Racist, I don't see it, tool?  Yes, yes I do.  If I could shoot her on the elevator on Mars, I would.  If I could shoot her in the Tram Control/Tram bay, I would.  If I could shoot her on Horizon, I would.  I didn't like the idea of being shoehorned into working for Cerberus in 2 either, but when she had a chance to help me keep the mission clean of Cerberus taint, she walked away.  How come we can't say:  She's dead, after Eva bot bangs her on the shuttle, and just leave her?

[Marauder Shieldz]

sth128 wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

In ME3, it takes a bit before you can overcome the VS concerns about you being you.  If you actually visit him/her in the hospital [...] then you're golden.

Not like Shepard is busy trying to unite the galaxy or anything. Ash witnessed first hand the lack of effort on the Alliance. Ash witnessed first hand how Shepard single-handedly stopped the Reaper invasion. Ash also witnessed first hand how Udina BETRAYED Shepard and grounded Normandy.

But hey, if Shep doesn't come visit me, I'm gonna shoot him. Ash is a tool.

Fawx9 wrote...

Uhh you could tell her to take the spectre appointment.

Are you saying that she shouldn't be protecting Udina as a spectre even though she doesn't know he's a traitor?

I'm saying she should know who to trust between Shepard and Udina. I'm saying she should strive to be a better Spectre than Saren. I'm saying she should be following the guy who stopped the Reapers, saved the Council, and united the galaxy; instead of following the guy who did nothing to aid Shepard, did nothing to aid Horizon, grounded Normandy and tried to stop Shepard the first time around.

Ash gave her loyalty so freely to Udina but finds it difficult to trust Shepard?

Exactly what has Shepard done to even warrant the mistrust? Shepard didn't blow up a city or invade a colony. Shepard has had the Council's trust since the start of ME3. Anderson trusts Shepard. Hackett trusts Shepard.

How big a tool is Ash that she thinks she can't trust someone that Anderson, Hackett, the Council, and the entire galaxy are depending on, but Udina - totally trustworthy?!

Right theres your answer folks.

/thread

Modifié par Marauder Shieldz, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:03 .

[Fawx9]

sth128 wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

In ME3, it takes a bit before you can overcome the VS concerns about you being you.  If you actually visit him/her in the hospital [...] then you're golden.

Not like Shepard is busy trying to unite the galaxy or anything. Ash witnessed first hand the lack of effort on the Alliance. Ash witnessed first hand how Shepard single-handedly stopped the Reaper invasion. Ash also witnessed first hand how Udina BETRAYED Shepard and grounded Normandy.

But hey, if Shep doesn't come visit me, I'm gonna shoot him. Ash is a tool.

Fawx9 wrote...

Uhh you could tell her to take the spectre appointment.

Are you saying that she shouldn't be protecting Udina as a spectre even though she doesn't know he's a traitor?

I'm saying she should know who to trust between Shepard and Udina. I'm saying she should strive to be a better Spectre than Saren. I'm saying she should be following the guy who stopped the Reapers, saved the Council, and united the galaxy; instead of following the guy who did nothing to aid Shepard, did nothing to aid Horizon, grounded Normandy and tried to stop Shepard the first time around.

Ash gave her loyalty so freely to Udina but finds it difficult to trust Shepard?

Exactly what has Shepard done to even warrant the mistrust? Shepard didn't blow up a city or invade a colony. Shepard has had the Council's trust since the start of ME3. Anderson trusts Shepard. Hackett trusts Shepard.

How big a tool is Ash that she thinks she can't trust someone that Anderson, Hackett, the Council, and the entire galaxy are depending on, but Udina - totally trustworthy?!

Ash had no problem trusting me, don't know wth you did to ****** her off so much but thats not her fault. If you don't do anything to put whatever fears she has (be they justified or not at this point) is not her fault. She saw Cerberus mind raping people and if you dont soldify that you aren't like that why should she blindly trust you?

And even if no one likes Udina he has done nothing to be distrustworthy (in game) that the characters would know about. She has no reason to distrust him even if she thinks he's a dick. Anderson and the rest trust him up to that point as well, why wouldnt she be shocked at the allugations at that point?

[iamweaver]

Part of the problem IMO, is that the VS sends out a rational message that's contrary to the suspension of disbelief that you have while in the ME3 story line. The VS is actually the only one that's right. Everyone that doesn't have a character flaw that would make them instantly take Shepherd at face value (like Tali's infatuation for Shepherd) should have a period of doubt that would need to be assuaged somehow.

Why should the VS survivor trust you? The Shepherd she knew...

Died.

Completely, totally, dead, a corpse for days. That Cerberus revived. Cerberus. The terrorist organization that killed off entire colonies, turned ship crews into husks/creepers, and deliberately trapped and killed fellow Alliance marines using a phoney beacon.

She has absolutely no reason to trust you unless she actually sees you in action.

Also - Udina didn't betray Shepherd, He was a "cloaca" who was following legitimate orders from your bosses, the Council. In actuality, if anyone is doing the betraying, it's you and your crew.

What the lockdown does make him is someone who disagrees with you (and is, of course, wrong). But no one knew that Udina was betraying anyone until well into ME3 (I realize that he might have been working with Cerberus earlier, but no one knew or had hints).

[dorktainian]

Bolt-Action wrote...

Marauder Shieldz wrote...

 And people wonder why i pick Tali. 

Uhhhhh....because its Tali

My Sheps all fall for Tali (understandable) 

ah....... tali....<3<3<3<3      

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[sth128]

iSousek wrote...

Ashley is not a tool, she is maybe the only realistic character in the game who is not written to appease egos and fantasies of childish gamers.

Well I guess you think Joker, Dr. Chakwas, Anderson, etc. are all there to appease the gamers.

And BTW if she acts like a complete douche to you, guess what, you have no one to blame but yourself and how you treated her.

Yeah, if I save someone from mortal danger twice in a row, it's only fitting that they treat me like the enemy. And after I surrender myself and am acquitted, the only reasonable course of action is to accuse me of working with the enemy when I'm shooting my way through them.

Because saving someone's life = evil. Shooting your enemies = working for them. The lack of hospital visits = definitive evidence of TIM's pawn, regardless of the giant robots and galactic chaos.

So no, Ashley never abandons you, it is you who abandons her.

Nope. She abandoned the Normandy. She abandoned Shepard. She abandoned Shepard again when she finds him on Horizon. She abandoned Shepard a third time when he surrenders to the Alliance.

In contrast, Joker didn't just run off. Liara didn't just run off. Tali joined Shepard and gave him the benefit of the doubt. Garrus trusted Shepard. The Council gave Shepard back his Spectre status.

Ash would not even be where she is without Shepard. Ash would be a corpse riddled with Geth blaster shots or a mindless husk without Shepard.

Shepard NEVER abandoned Ash.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Racist? I don't know. The worst character in the Mass Effect series? Without question.

[F00lishG]

First off. Ashley is the sexiest tool, if she is to be considered one.

Second, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and you can shut her down when she brings it up, and she won't bring it up again. She's still a good fighter and useful ally regardless.

And third. Let's say that you find out one of your friends is working for a terrorist agency, But he says he's undercover. Oh and he admits that to keep his cover he had to do some bad things. Would you still believe and trust him? Or would you report to the police or try to kill him? It's obvious what everyone would do.

[iamweaver]

sth128, to be fair - the VS was a member of the Alliance who was assigned to a duty station. they didn't abandon Shepherd, they obeyed orders. Had the VS joined Shep in ME2, *they* would actually have been the ones abandoning their post.

Joker apparently was assigned somehow through TIM manipulations of the ALliance detailing system. Dr. Chakwas was able to take a leave of absence. The "Engineering twins" were correctly tried for dereliction of duty.

[Marauder Shieldz]

dorktainian wrote...

Bolt-Action wrote...

Marauder Shieldz wrote...

 And people wonder why i pick Tali. 

Uhhhhh....because its Tali

My Sheps all fall for Tali (understandable) 

ah....... tali....<3<3<3<3      

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