robertthebard wrote...
So, what did Wrex, Liara, Garrus or Tali steal from the SR 1? Did they forward all the schematics to their respective races, and everybody has one now? Oh, wait, that's right, the Turians helped build the SR 1. Gee, maybe she needs to evaluate her position a bit, since they helped build it for the Alliance, and not for themselves. Yep, she successfully predicted that, didn't she?
So, how did the quarian diplomatic vessel get a stealth drive like the Normandy's?
So what exactly is it you're doing when this occurs? Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it: You are asking all these aliens to go on a suicide mission to stop the collectors from abducting human colonies. I just love that you used Legion for your example, since he is doing simply because it is the logical thing for him to do. There is no criminal intent, despite the fact that it's wrong to do so, and when called on it, he desists. Now I always talk them into cooperation, one way or another, Renegade or Paragon, but even with these aliens looking out for their own interests, Legion for getting the information in the first place, and Tali trying to stop him, both alien concerns, I might add, would Ashley's position be to let Legion send it, since it's just aliens?
Actually, Shepard doesn't ask Legion, Legion volunteers
And no, Ash would simply acknowledge that, yes, aliens will always look out for their own people first. And if Legion had information on its omnitool that the Alliance needed, she'd do the same. It's not right or wrong, it just is.
This is far from the worst thing the Salarians do throughout both known history, lifting the Krogans, experimenting on other species w/out consent, etc etc etc, withholding support for the Reaper war if you cure the genophage.
So military espionage is okay because they've done worse things in the past?
So either both are right, or both are wrong? How are humans looking out for human interests inconsistent with what you're postulating Ashley's position to be? It is, after all, humans looking out for their own best interest, and, if it's acceptable from her point of view, then, despite it being objectionable to her that the Turians did it, from her own logical perspective, it's the right thing to do, isn't it?
It's not. Ash doesn't ascibe to aliens any motivation she doesn't beieve himans have too.
"I don't think humans have some kind of divine mandate, if that's what you mean.
I don't think humans are superior"All she thinks is because aliens have different priorities than humans (namely, their own people and their own worlds) they will see to those priorities before they see to humans'
Yet, as soon as Udina makes her a Spectre, all bets are off on distrusting the Council.
No, just because she takes protecting the Council seriously doesn't mean she likes or trusts them. She will gun down Udina without hesitation when he tries to kill the Council
The Council abandons the earth when we most need help form them, because they have their own planets to protect. This wouldn't have caught anyone by surprised if they have bothered to pay attention when Ashley shared her concerns with you. She said she thought humanity should be ready to go on its own because when the real hard times come, you can expect for each faction to prefer their own survival rather than someone else's. And that's pretty much what every major race in the galaxy is doing.
This by no means makes Ashley correct. In fact, from a story point of view, it makes more sense to apply Ashley's logic to what we're doing, than what they're doing.
It absolutely indicates she's right. The Council is following the dog-bear analogy exactly
Humanity (the dog) is being left to fight the bear (the Reapers) while the hunter (the Council races) look to their own safety.
The sad part of this? Udina grounded the Normandy. While he's being quite the bootlicker to the Council, it's his action, nobody else's, and he'll stand there and tell you: You've outlived your usefulness. What Ashley hates being right about at this point is politicians, not aliens.
This part I agree with
So you were a terrorist in ME 2? You were secretly working for the Reapers, and saved Horizon as a front put on for her benefit? Because if not, she's not right about ME 2. By extension, she can't be right about Shepard's involvement with Cerberus attacking the Mars colony, since she outright accuses you of collusion. "You can't expect me to believe you cut all ties" means "You know exactly what's going on here, and I want a straight answer".
Funny I thought that meant "I can't believe The Illusive Man simply let you cut all ties" Which we learn later, he didn't. It was EDI's intervention that allowed Shepard to abscond with the Normandy.
THere was no accusation, just questoning. WHich is not unreasonable given the circumstances.
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