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[Dokteur Kill]

Arppis wrote...
Some people say the same thing about Concusion Shot and they are wrong. 

But then again. I have yet to try this class.

I'd say concussive shot is better. You can control the time of firing and the trajectory. For what it does, concussive shot is a pretty good power, great quick-fire staggering power. My main problem with it is that it shares a cooldown with adrenaline rush and marksman/proximity mine on the human and turian soldier respectively. So the power itself doesn't really have any problems, it's more a lack of synergy with the other skills of the classes that have it.

[SimulatedSnowman]

Drake Malice wrote...

Dokteur Kill wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...
When the enemy is that close it doesnt curve, use it before you judge

I have, before I respecced. It was very attracted to walls and nearby objects. Range to the enemy didn't make much difference.

Then you had bad luck because even one as unlucky as i has massive success with the ML, it doesnt get in the way, i dont have to aim it, it staggers dangerous enemies, and it has infinit ammo. It rarely hits walls for me (Prolly because i dont hide in corners)

Right. Your favorite situation is standing right in the middle of Firebase Giant, with one enemy at a time walking at you from a slightly left to right sort of direction at intervals of 3 seconds, so that your INFINITE MISSILE LAUNCHER THAT REALLY WORKS GUYS can absolutely wreck shop. No corners for you!

[Emissary of the Collectors]

death_for_sale wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Oh well...it seems i am the only person in all of reality who can use the missile launcher correctly...pity

Yes, everyone else who has used it and thinks that it is terrible must be wrong, because you apparently are the only one who has cracked the secret code that unlocks it's greatness on Gold.

You give me hope that someday the rest of us might, impossible as that may be, might be able to decipher the ancient Mayan script that tells us how to spec Missile Launcher correctly for Gold.

If you cant use it that is YOUR problem

[Arppis]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

Arppis wrote...
Some people say the same thing about Concusion Shot and they are wrong. 

But then again. I have yet to try this class.

I'd say concussive shot is better. You can control the time of firing and the trajectory. For what it does, concussive shot is a pretty good power, great quick-fire staggering power. My main problem with it is that it shares a cooldown with adrenaline rush and marksman/proximity mine on the human and turian soldier respectively. So the power itself doesn't really have any problems, it's more a lack of synergy with the other skills of the classes that have it.

Alright, sounds pretty crappy then. So it doesn't always stagger like concusion shot does?

[SimulatedSnowman]

Arppis wrote...

Alright, sounds pretty crappy then. So it doesn't always stagger like concusion shot does?

The problem isn't that it doesn't stagger, it's that it doesn't reliably hit. 

[ryanshowseason3]

Drake Malice wrote...


Then you didnt spec it right, when it hits walls i change my position to give it a clear arc, and it kills more than my harrier does

Questions: Do you press the trigger button when you have you harrier equipped? Do you aim at enemies while firing? Do you reload when the weapon becomes empty? Do you ever pick up more ammunition when you run out?

These are the only explanations as to how you could kill less with your harrier than your ML.

[Dokteur Kill]

Arppis wrote...
Alright, sounds pretty crappy then. So it doesn't always stagger like concusion shot does?

I don't know, I can't really tell if the wall is staggered or not :innocent:

[Emissary of the Collectors]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...


Then you didnt spec it right, when it hits walls i change my position to give it a clear arc, and it kills more than my harrier does

Questions: Do you press the trigger button when you have you harrier equipped? Do you aim at enemies while firing? Do you reload when the weapon becomes empty? Do you ever pick up more ammunition when you run out?

These are the only explanations as to how you could kill less with your harrier than your ML.

OR just maybe...just MAYBE....the explanation is that the ML is actually good and you just suck with it...just maybe Bioware put it in the game for a reason rather than just tossing in an ability for everyone to pass just because that guy said "It is useless cuz i suck with it"

[Computron2000]

A lot of things can be said. Like "i soloed platinum in 8 minutes!". But most will just look at their own experiences and say "Uh huh, rrriiiiight!"

Same with the Missile Launcher. I have it. I used it. There is no way for it to kill more than a Harrier unless
i) you never get any more ammo and the "no ammo" sound just keeps repeating
ii) You can't hit an Atlas more than 1 metre away from you

This reminds me of the entire Particle Rifle thing where there were people crowing about infinite ammo (same as the missile launcher) but most never tried it solo to get a feel of how it does on a character carrying a wave.

[Sammy Shep]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...


Then you didnt spec it right, when it hits walls i change my position to give it a clear arc, and it kills more than my harrier does

Questions: Do you press the trigger button when you have you harrier equipped? Do you aim at enemies while firing? Do you reload when the weapon becomes empty? Do you ever pick up more ammunition when you run out?

These are the only explanations as to how you could kill less with your harrier than your ML.

I'm curious as to why any of you have chosen to entertain him after posting that.

Even if we were to assume that he has somehow gotten his Missle Launcher to reliably hit his targets 100% of the time, it's embarassing that his killcount with it would be MORE than a Harrier's.

Modifié par Sammy Shep, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:23 .

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Computron2000 wrote...

A lot of things can be said. Like "i soloed platinum in 8 minutes!". But most will just look at their own experiences and say "Uh huh, rrriiiiight!"

Same with the Missile Launcher. I have it. I used it. There is no way for it to kill more than a Harrier unless
i) you never get any more ammo and the "no ammo" sound just keeps repeating
ii) You can't hit an Atlas more than 1 metre away from you

This reminds me of the entire Particle Rifle thing where there were people crowing about infinite ammo (same as the missile launcher) but most never tried it solo to get a feel of how it does on a character carrying a wave.

I have "soloed" the ML, if i run out of ammo with both guns, and there is too much going on to run to a box and i dont want to or am out of Ammo packs i will peek out of cover to fire off some ML shots and they are very effective. Against un-armored targets they are like a Saber shot to an Armored target. They DO stagger and they do a chunk of damage on gold. Plus they pick off the already wounded enemies in a group

[ryanshowseason3]

Drake Malice wrote...

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...


Then you didnt spec it right, when it hits walls i change my position to give it a clear arc, and it kills more than my harrier does

Questions: Do you press the trigger button when you have you harrier equipped? Do you aim at enemies while firing? Do you reload when the weapon becomes empty? Do you ever pick up more ammunition when you run out?

These are the only explanations as to how you could kill less with your harrier than your ML.

OR just maybe...just MAYBE....the explanation is that the ML is actually good and you just suck with it...just maybe Bioware put it in the game for a reason rather than just tossing in an ability for everyone to pass just because that guy said "It is useless cuz i suck with it"

Don't change the subject.

How does the ML kill more than the harrier? Because I think its a barefaced lie.

At lvl 1 the harrier does ~970 damage per second

The ML with power damage gear V and power amplifier III and all power damage increases available to the class does a whopping  ~512 damage per 2.6 seconds. leveling out to under 250 per second.

So please explain to me how you kill more with your ML?

[Computron2000]

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

A lot of things can be said. Like "i soloed platinum in 8 minutes!". But most will just look at their own experiences and say "Uh huh, rrriiiiight!"

Same with the Missile Launcher. I have it. I used it. There is no way for it to kill more than a Harrier unless
i) you never get any more ammo and the "no ammo" sound just keeps repeating
ii) You can't hit an Atlas more than 1 metre away from you

This reminds me of the entire Particle Rifle thing where there were people crowing about infinite ammo (same as the missile launcher) but most never tried it solo to get a feel of how it does on a character carrying a wave.

I have "soloed" the ML, if i run out of ammo with both guns, and there is too much going on to run to a box and i dont want to or am out of Ammo packs i will peek out of cover to fire off some ML shots and they are very effective. Against un-armored targets they are like a Saber shot to an Armored target. They DO stagger and they do a chunk of damage on gold. Plus they pick off the already wounded enemies in a group

What enemy faction and what wave?
There are 2 problems with your description

i) Running out of ammo on BOTH guns without even bothering to go to the ammo box smacks of utterly poor forward planning. You cannot solo anything higher than bronze like that.

ii) All factions have cover busters and will not allow you to sit there quietly to shoot at them. They will come to you and engage you. Hunters, phantoms even husks. They also come in groups in a solo situation. Your 3.92 second refire rate for your missile launcher will not stagger them all and you will be forced to move (with empty weapons). Then you will die to multiple mooks firing at you

Modifié par Computron2000, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:27 .

[Emissary of the Collectors]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...


Then you didnt spec it right, when it hits walls i change my position to give it a clear arc, and it kills more than my harrier does

Questions: Do you press the trigger button when you have you harrier equipped? Do you aim at enemies while firing? Do you reload when the weapon becomes empty? Do you ever pick up more ammunition when you run out?

These are the only explanations as to how you could kill less with your harrier than your ML.

OR just maybe...just MAYBE....the explanation is that the ML is actually good and you just suck with it...just maybe Bioware put it in the game for a reason rather than just tossing in an ability for everyone to pass just because that guy said "It is useless cuz i suck with it"

Don't change the subject.

How does the ML kill more than the harrier? Because I think its a barefaced lie.

At lvl 1 the harrier does ~970 damage per second

The ML with power damage gear V and power amplifier III and all power damage increases available to the class does a whopping  ~512 damage per 2.6 seconds. leveling out to under 250 per second.

So please explain to me how you kill more with your ML?

Well the Harrier suffers from a miniscul clip and to most enemies on gold it is just small enough to not finish them off. Then the ML fires a shot and kills that enemy, and then before i can even reload it fires another and kills a husk or at least knocks back a Cannibal allowing me to not get a grenade tossed behind my cover. So peak back out and fire some shots wounding some and killing a husk or 2. Follwed by anther ML shot that kills those that are wounded, staggers those that are advancing, or wounds those who are shooting. Repeat process. The Ml mops up everything that you cant seem to get AND it has no amm limit as well as being automatic and requiring no break in fire...while the Grenade runs low quick, misses down the middle, and takes longer to fire than the Harrier's reload

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Computron2000 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

A lot of things can be said. Like "i soloed platinum in 8 minutes!". But most will just look at their own experiences and say "Uh huh, rrriiiiight!"

Same with the Missile Launcher. I have it. I used it. There is no way for it to kill more than a Harrier unless
i) you never get any more ammo and the "no ammo" sound just keeps repeating
ii) You can't hit an Atlas more than 1 metre away from you

This reminds me of the entire Particle Rifle thing where there were people crowing about infinite ammo (same as the missile launcher) but most never tried it solo to get a feel of how it does on a character carrying a wave.

I have "soloed" the ML, if i run out of ammo with both guns, and there is too much going on to run to a box and i dont want to or am out of Ammo packs i will peek out of cover to fire off some ML shots and they are very effective. Against un-armored targets they are like a Saber shot to an Armored target. They DO stagger and they do a chunk of damage on gold. Plus they pick off the already wounded enemies in a group

What enemy faction and what wave?
There are 2 problems with your description

i) Running out of ammo on BOTH guns without even bothering to go to the ammo box smacks of utterly poor forward planning. You cannot solo anything higher than bronze like that.

ii) All factions have cover busters and will not allow you to sit there quietly to shoot at them. They will come to you and engage you. Hunters, phantoms even husks. They also come in groups in a solo situation. Your 3.92 second refire rate for your missile launcher will not stagger them all and you will be forced to move (with empty weapons). Then you will die to multiple mooks firing at you

What? When I say Solo i mean it was my only offensive means, not i won plat alone. When the husks swarm or the hunters pop up you cant run to get ammo beause they will gun you down. So you have to stay there until yu are ammo-less resulting in death...unless you have the ML

[EvilDeity]

So, what you're saying is you can't solo Platinum with just the Missile Launcher?

[Computron2000]

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
What enemy faction and what wave?
There are 2 problems with your description

i) Running out of ammo on BOTH guns without even bothering to go to the ammo box smacks of utterly poor forward planning. You cannot solo anything higher than bronze like that.

ii) All factions have cover busters and will not allow you to sit there quietly to shoot at them. They will come to you and engage you. Hunters, phantoms even husks. They also come in groups in a solo situation. Your 3.92 second refire rate for your missile launcher will not stagger them all and you will be forced to move (with empty weapons). Then you will die to multiple mooks firing at you

What? When I say Solo i mean it was my only offensive means, not i won plat alone. When the husks swarm or the hunters pop up you cant run to get ammo beause they will gun you down. So you have to stay there until yu are ammo-less resulting in death...unless you have the ML

So you are saying that your ML was your ONLY weapon for long stretches of time? Then you were carried. Possibilities include one or more of the following
i) You did not think ahead to replenish ammo when the group moved to the ammo box
ii) Your shot connection rate was horrendous, ie you were shooting the wall more than the enemy
iii) Your teammates used weapons with plenty of ammo while BOTH your weapons were low ammo types
iv) You were incapable of reaching the ammo box without the group

Then we have the interesting conclusion. You played 1 match like that and decided to CONTINUE having BOTH weapons as low ammo weapons.

[Dokteur Kill]

When I was using the ML, it got plenty of kills. But those were mainly on enemies that were pretty much finished already. Let's face it, the ML does about as much damage as four to five shots from the revenant. And the extra shields from not using the ML gives you plenty of time to squeeze off those four to five shots. 

Drake Malice wrote...
What? When I say Solo i mean it was my only offensive means, not i won plat alone. When the husks swarm or the hunters pop up you cant run to get ammo beause they will gun you down. So you have to stay there until yu are ammo-less resulting in death...unless you have the ML

Or a second gun. It's not as if you have to worry about cooldown.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Computron2000 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
What enemy faction and what wave?
There are 2 problems with your description

i) Running out of ammo on BOTH guns without even bothering to go to the ammo box smacks of utterly poor forward planning. You cannot solo anything higher than bronze like that.

ii) All factions have cover busters and will not allow you to sit there quietly to shoot at them. They will come to you and engage you. Hunters, phantoms even husks. They also come in groups in a solo situation. Your 3.92 second refire rate for your missile launcher will not stagger them all and you will be forced to move (with empty weapons). Then you will die to multiple mooks firing at you

What? When I say Solo i mean it was my only offensive means, not i won plat alone. When the husks swarm or the hunters pop up you cant run to get ammo beause they will gun you down. So you have to stay there until yu are ammo-less resulting in death...unless you have the ML

So you are saying that your ML was your ONLY weapon for long stretches of time? Then you were carried. Possibilities include one or more of the following
i) You did not think ahead to replenish ammo when the group moved to the ammo box
ii) Your shot connection rate was horrendous, ie you were shooting the wall more than the enemy
iii) Your teammates used weapons with plenty of ammo while BOTH your weapons were low ammo types
iv) You were incapable of reaching the ammo box without the group

Then we have the interesting conclusion. You played 1 match like that and decided to CONTINUE having BOTH weapons as low ammo weapons.

You didnt even read what i wrote, 
There.Was.No.Time.To.Grab.Ammo.Because.Of.High.Enemy.Count
If you leap out of cover you get mowed down

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

When I was using the ML, it got plenty of kills. But those were mainly on enemies that were pretty much finished already. Let's face it, the ML does about as much damage as four to five shots from the revenant. And the extra shields from not using the ML gives you plenty of time to squeeze off those four to five shots. 

Drake Malice wrote...
What? When I say Solo i mean it was my only offensive means, not i won plat alone. When the husks swarm or the hunters pop up you cant run to get ammo beause they will gun you down. So you have to stay there until yu are ammo-less resulting in death...unless you have the ML

Or a second gun. It's not as if you have to worry about cooldown.

I said i had 2 guns

[EvilDeity]

So you let yourself completely run out of ammo on two guns and get in a situation where you couldn't reach an ammo crate without dying...

[Emissary of the Collectors]

EvilDeity wrote...

So you let yourself completely run out of ammo on two guns and get in a situation where you couldn't reach an ammo crate without dying...

Oh you are right, i should have asked the reapers to hold up a moment while i restock

[ryanshowseason3]

Drake Malice wrote...

Well the Harrier suffers from a miniscule clip and to most enemies on gold it is just small enough to not finish them off.

Ok I'll buy it, although devastator mode increases that clip enough for me to kill a marauder in a single clip.

Drake Malice wrote...
Then the ML fires a shot and kills that enemy,

Plausible yes.

Drake Malice wrote...
and then before i can even reload it fires another and kills a husk or
at least knocks back a Cannibal allowing me to not get a grenade tossed
behind my cover.

BAREFACED LIE. Your ML will not fire another rocket before you can reload, fire and empty  half of you harrier clip. The reload time of the harrier is 1.37 seconds. The recharge time til your next missile until after the next is 2.6 seconds.

Quit lying.

Drake Malice wrote...

So peak back out and fire some shots wounding some and killing a husk or
2. Follwed by anther ML shot that kills those that are wounded,
staggers those that are advancing, or wounds those who are shooting.
Repeat process. The Ml mops up everything that you cant seem to get AND
it has no amm limit as well as being automatic and requiring no break in
fire...

I thought you didn't hide around corners so that the missiles would hit? I'll buy the rest that it has the ability to mop up if you wait for it and neglect to kill with your harrier.

Drake Malice wrote...
while the Grenade runs low quick, misses down the middle, and takes longer to fire than the Harrier's reload

What takes longer to fire than harrier's reload? Multi frags? How is that relevant?

I don't need to stagger things either if I'm killing them with my harrier via multiple headshots.

Modifié par ryanshowseason3, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:53 .

[Computron2000]

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
What enemy faction and what wave?
There are 2 problems with your description

i) Running out of ammo on BOTH guns without even bothering to go to the ammo box smacks of utterly poor forward planning. You cannot solo anything higher than bronze like that.

ii) All factions have cover busters and will not allow you to sit there quietly to shoot at them. They will come to you and engage you. Hunters, phantoms even husks. They also come in groups in a solo situation. Your 3.92 second refire rate for your missile launcher will not stagger them all and you will be forced to move (with empty weapons). Then you will die to multiple mooks firing at you

What? When I say Solo i mean it was my only offensive means, not i won plat alone. When the husks swarm or the hunters pop up you cant run to get ammo beause they will gun you down. So you have to stay there until yu are ammo-less resulting in death...unless you have the ML

So you are saying that your ML was your ONLY weapon for long stretches of time? Then you were carried. Possibilities include one or more of the following
i) You did not think ahead to replenish ammo when the group moved to the ammo box
ii) Your shot connection rate was horrendous, ie you were shooting the wall more than the enemy
iii) Your teammates used weapons with plenty of ammo while BOTH your weapons were low ammo types
iv) You were incapable of reaching the ammo box without the group

Then we have the interesting conclusion. You played 1 match like that and decided to CONTINUE having BOTH weapons as low ammo weapons.

You didnt even read what i wrote, 
There.Was.No.Time.To.Grab.Ammo.Because.Of.High.Enemy.Count
If you leap out of cover you get mowed down

Again, you are just implying you were carried and like to continue being carried since you feel the ML's value is high due to having infinite ammo which implies you will have many many more of such situations. Hence implying you like to continue getting carried. 

If a person is carried regularly, of course any power is wonderful since you reply on others in the first place.

Funnily enough, you're also saying your group chose a location without access to an ammo box to camp which is in itself hilarious.