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[ParatrooperSean]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

Arppis wrote...
Some people say the same thing about Concusion Shot and they are wrong. 

But then again. I have yet to try this class.

I'd say concussive shot is better. You can control the time of firing and the trajectory. For what it does, concussive shot is a pretty good power, great quick-fire staggering power. My main problem with it is that it shares a cooldown with adrenaline rush and marksman/proximity mine on the human and turian soldier respectively. So the power itself doesn't really have any problems, it's more a lack of synergy with the other skills of the classes that have it.

I'm on my iPhone so maybe I'm misunderstanding, but better than Multi-frag??

MF is major AOE destruction *and* it staggers.

[i IIVIIorpheus]

Yeah I don't get all the anti ML tone. Just think of it as an extra tool to destroy. A tool that that you don't have to worry about targeting and shooting yourself. Right now as an experiment, I am running my destroyer with the Falcon X and Graal X with the ML. With grenade II gear attached, it melts enemies...

Modifié par i IIVIIorpheus, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:56 .

[Emissary of the Collectors]

What lie? The ML fires off very quickly if you bother to pay attention, it has to "Lock on" which means you need to glance at someone with you reticule for a split second. Much like those damned Rocket troopers it doesnt follow it's own timing rules, stop accusing people of lying just because you lack comprehension or experience

I wasnt hiding in a corner, i was behind cover

[Dokteur Kill]

Drake Malice wrote...
I said i had 2 guns

Ok, so you managed to shoot dry two guns, and not kill enough enemies to have time to move out and pick up some ammo? How is that even possible?  Did you just sit behind cover and use up all  your thermal clip packs in the first waves or something?

Heck, I'm not that good a player, and I rarely run out of ammo with one low-ammo gun like the Talon or Mattock even on gold. Thermal clip packs are mostly for hack objectives. Quite frankly, if you get that locked down, your team really can't have played very well.

[Dokteur Kill]

ParatrooperSean wrote...
I'm on my iPhone so maybe I'm misunderstanding, but better than Multi-frag??

No, better than missile launcher.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...
I said i had 2 guns

Ok, so you managed to shoot dry two guns, and not kill enough enemies to have time to move out and pick up some ammo? How is that even possible?  Did you just sit behind cover and use up all  your thermal clip packs in the first waves or something?

Heck, I'm not that good a player, and I rarely run out of ammo with one low-ammo gun like the Talon or Mattock even on gold. Thermal clip packs are mostly for hack objectives. Quite frankly, if you get that locked down, your team really can't have played very well.

1st wave? No this was later on like 6th wave, i use the ammo packs for refilling of ammo during prolonged firefights OR when i need an emergency grenade (Which miss Phantoms point blank half the time)
The Harrier and Hornet were my guns and they dry up quickly when you are chewing through Marauders and brutes
Also i play with randoms so sometimes i get good teams and sometimes....

Modifié par Drake Malice, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:00 .

[Thoragoros]

Drake Malice wrote...

WandererRTF wrote...

So far the only thing i have seen Destroyer's Missile Launcher wipe have been swarmers.

And yes, i have used it. Noticed that it won't fire form cover, it won't hit reliably - instead foam darts go their ways to find walls to impact with and can be dodged on top of that. And they mostly just annoy the enemies, apart from swarmers.

Then you didnt spec it right, when it hits walls i change my position to give it a clear arc, and it kills more than my harrier does

On my first Spec of the Detroyer, I teched out all 6 ranks of the Missile Launcher, and even on Bronze, the Missiles weren't clearing Cannibles or Troopers on their own.

The missile launcher is wasted space.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:01 .

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Computron2000 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
What enemy faction and what wave?
There are 2 problems with your description

i) Running out of ammo on BOTH guns without even bothering to go to the ammo box smacks of utterly poor forward planning. You cannot solo anything higher than bronze like that.

ii) All factions have cover busters and will not allow you to sit there quietly to shoot at them. They will come to you and engage you. Hunters, phantoms even husks. They also come in groups in a solo situation. Your 3.92 second refire rate for your missile launcher will not stagger them all and you will be forced to move (with empty weapons). Then you will die to multiple mooks firing at you

What? When I say Solo i mean it was my only offensive means, not i won plat alone. When the husks swarm or the hunters pop up you cant run to get ammo beause they will gun you down. So you have to stay there until yu are ammo-less resulting in death...unless you have the ML

So you are saying that your ML was your ONLY weapon for long stretches of time? Then you were carried. Possibilities include one or more of the following
i) You did not think ahead to replenish ammo when the group moved to the ammo box
ii) Your shot connection rate was horrendous, ie you were shooting the wall more than the enemy
iii) Your teammates used weapons with plenty of ammo while BOTH your weapons were low ammo types
iv) You were incapable of reaching the ammo box without the group

Then we have the interesting conclusion. You played 1 match like that and decided to CONTINUE having BOTH weapons as low ammo weapons.

You didnt even read what i wrote, 
There.Was.No.Time.To.Grab.Ammo.Because.Of.High.Enemy.Count
If you leap out of cover you get mowed down

Again, you are just implying you were carried and like to continue being carried since you feel the ML's value is high due to having infinite ammo which implies you will have many many more of such situations. Hence implying you like to continue getting carried. 

If a person is carried regularly, of course any power is wonderful since you reply on others in the first place.

Funnily enough, you're also saying your group chose a location without access to an ammo box to camp which is in itself hilarious.

Totally...we should have sat around that box when the brutes and banshees were piling onto us...smart tactics there

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Modifié par Drake Malice, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:03 .

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Thoragoros wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

WandererRTF wrote...

So far the only thing i have seen Destroyer's Missile Launcher wipe have been swarmers.

And yes, i have used it. Noticed that it won't fire form cover, it won't hit reliably - instead foam darts go their ways to find walls to impact with and can be dodged on top of that. And they mostly just annoy the enemies, apart from swarmers.

Then you didnt spec it right, when it hits walls i change my position to give it a clear arc, and it kills more than my harrier does

On my first Spec of the Detroyer, I teched out all 6 ranks of the Missile Launcher, and even on Bronze, the Missiles weren't clearing Cannibles or Troopers on their own. Since i only used it 1 time i know everything about it

The missile launcher is wasted space.

fixed that for you

Modifié par Drake Malice, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:03 .

[RoZh2400]

To all of you who love the ML...what points are you sacrificing to do it? Weapon damage is crucial, so I would go full passive. Devastator mode is a must. No questions there. Multi-frag is your instant DPS move, so you need those. And if you want to survive with ML, you need shields, so fitness needs to be maxed out. So...where are the ML points coming from?

And to answer the topic: Activate devastator mode -> Shoot things until they die -> Win. As simple as that.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

RoZh2400 wrote...

To all of you who love the ML...what points are you sacrificing to do it? Weapon damage is crucial, so I would go full passive. Devastator mode is a must. No questions there. Multi-frag is your instant DPS move, so you need those. And if you want to survive with ML, you need shields, so fitness needs to be maxed out. So...where are the ML points coming from?

And to answer the topic: Activate devastator mode -> Shoot things until they die -> Win. As simple as that.

No fitness, it is not required unless yu want to stand in the open all the time

[Dokteur Kill]

Drake Malice wrote...
1st wave?

Waves. So, let me get this straight: you were out of thermal clip packs by wave 6? In my world, that equates to using up all your thermal clip packs in the first waves. If you've regularly used more than one of each consumable before round 6, something's not quite right. 

No this was later on like 6th wave, i use the ammo packs for refilling of ammo during prolonged firefights OR when i need an emergency grenade (Which miss Phantoms point blank half the time)
The Harrier and Hornet were my guns and they dry up quickly when you are chewing through Marauders and brutes

Sounds to me like you need to work on moving around the map instead of letting the enemy come to you. It's one thing to get bogged down on wave 6+, but it should just not be a problem to keep your weapon stocked before wave 6 at the very least.

[ZerebusPrime]

I have had a great deal of success with the ML, actually, and it all boils down to knowing when to toggle.  Behind cover looking out on an open expanse, toggle on.  In a tight space or lacking in cover while receiving a great deal of fire, toggle off.  Yes, it's very simple.  And yes, it does add extra oomph to one's offensive punch, especially as averaged over the length of a game.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...
1st wave?

Waves. So, let me get this straight: you were out of thermal clip packs by wave 6? In my world, that equates to using up all your thermal clip packs in the first waves. If you've regularly used more than one of each consumable before round 6, something's not quite right. 

No this was later on like 6th wave, i use the ammo packs for refilling of ammo during prolonged firefights OR when i need an emergency grenade (Which miss Phantoms point blank half the time)
The Harrier and Hornet were my guns and they dry up quickly when you are chewing through Marauders and brutes

Sounds to me like you need to work on moving around the map instead of letting the enemy come to you. It's one thing to get bogged down on wave 6+, but it should just not be a problem to keep your weapon stocked before wave 6 at the very least.

In case you were unaware the Devastator is a Defensive class, it is slow and tanky so it is better for defense. I play better on defense. Now if i were a Shadow or Vanguard then i would move all around the map but on gold you stick to your main strengths and mine (as well as my class's) is defense

[ryanshowseason3]

Also lets compare this ability to Reave. Reave fully specced without gear does 145 dps on the asari justicar. It also staggers with every cast. Multiple casts stack the dps on top of itself. The recharge at 200% cooldown is 2.22 seconds.

145 * 2.6 = 377
Then the second casting at 2.2 for adds another 145 *.4
totalled to 435 damage at 2.6 seconds. Not as much as the fully tricked out geared out missile launcher. However at the next interval of 2.6 seconds the two reave castings will have done 1500 damage in comparison to ~1000 the missiles did.

All of this while Reave grants the user damage reduction, missile launcher conversely takes half your shields to accomplish its task.

WOW.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Also lets compare this ability to Reave. Reave fully specced without gear does 145 dps on the asari justicar. It also staggers with every cast. Multiple casts stack the dps on top of itself. The recharge at 200% cooldown is 2.22 seconds.

145 * 2.6 = 377
Then the second casting at 2.2 for adds another 145 *.4
totalled to 435 damage at 2.6 seconds. Not as much as the fully tricked out geared out missile launcher. However at the next interval of 2.6 seconds the two reave castings will have done 1500 damage in comparison to ~1000 the missiles did.

All of this while Reave grants the user damage reduction, missile launcher conversely takes half your shields to accomplish its task.

WOW.

Well i am a destroyer...not a fish-man. I dont have reave. Hey then let us do this math: Actual Missile Launcher (Equipment, not ability) vs Multi-frag=Use you missiles! Your logic is awesome. EVERYONE stop putting points into yur abilities and just use the missile!

[Computron2000]

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
Again, you are just implying you were carried and like to continue being carried since you feel the ML's value is high due to having infinite ammo which implies you will have many many more of such situations. Hence implying you like to continue getting carried. 

If a person is carried regularly, of course any power is wonderful since you reply on others in the first place.

Funnily enough, you're also saying your group chose a location without access to an ammo box to camp which is in itself hilarious.

Totally...we should have sat around that box when the brutes and banshees were piling onto us...smart tactics there

You want to camp then you should think about your camp location. If you're camping in a location where you have to run through spawns to get to the ammo box and no one is a demolisher, well i can only say your camping technique "impresses" me greatly.

Also... A hornet... on a Destroyer.... "Impressive"!

Modifié par Computron2000, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:13 .

[ryanshowseason3]

Drake Malice wrote...

What lie? The ML fires off very quickly if you bother to pay attention, it has to "Lock on" which means you need to glance at someone with you reticule for a split second. Much like those damned Rocket troopers it doesnt follow it's own timing rules, stop accusing people of lying just because you lack comprehension or experience

I wasnt hiding in a corner, i was behind cover

You lied when you said you could shoot an ML shot after a first before being able to reload your harrier.

Missile delay = 2.6
Reload delay for harrier = 1.37

So BAREFACED LIE

End of story unless you mathmatically prove that 2.6 < 1.37

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Computron2000 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
Again, you are just implying you were carried and like to continue being carried since you feel the ML's value is high due to having infinite ammo which implies you will have many many more of such situations. Hence implying you like to continue getting carried. 

If a person is carried regularly, of course any power is wonderful since you reply on others in the first place.

Funnily enough, you're also saying your group chose a location without access to an ammo box to camp which is in itself hilarious.

Totally...we should have sat around that box when the brutes and banshees were piling onto us...smart tactics there

You want to camp then you should think about your camp location. If you're camping in a location where you have to run through spawns to get to the ammo box and no one is a demolisher, well i can only say your camping technique "impresses" me greatly.

And the alternative is? Get over-run here instead of moving there>? You are brilliant, lets ask them to only attack us if we sit HERE instead of THERE, hey will totally comply

[Emissary of the Collectors]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

What lie? The ML fires off very quickly if you bother to pay attention, it has to "Lock on" which means you need to glance at someone with you reticule for a split second. Much like those damned Rocket troopers it doesnt follow it's own timing rules, stop accusing people of lying just because you lack comprehension or experience

I wasnt hiding in a corner, i was behind cover

You lied when you said you could shoot an ML shot after a first before being able to reload your harrier.

Missile delay = 2.6
Reload delay for harrier = 1.37

So BAREFACED LIE

End of story unless you mathmatically prove that 2.6 < 1.37

Take it up with Biware, i didnt make the game, i didnt make it where Geth Rocket troops can fire like 3 shots at a time and i didnt make the ML ability defy it's "Rules". Get over it

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Computron2000 wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
Again, you are just implying you were carried and like to continue being carried since you feel the ML's value is high due to having infinite ammo which implies you will have many many more of such situations. Hence implying you like to continue getting carried. 

If a person is carried regularly, of course any power is wonderful since you reply on others in the first place.

Funnily enough, you're also saying your group chose a location without access to an ammo box to camp which is in itself hilarious.

Totally...we should have sat around that box when the brutes and banshees were piling onto us...smart tactics there

You want to camp then you should think about your camp location. If you're camping in a location where you have to run through spawns to get to the ammo box and no one is a demolisher, well i can only say your camping technique "impresses" me greatly.

Also... A hornet... on a Destroyer.... "Impressive"!

yes the Hornet, the best SMG in the game AND it is Cerberus themed...IMPRESSIVE INDEED

[ParatrooperSean]

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

Yeah I don't get all the anti ML tone. Just think of it as an extra tool to destroy. A tool that that you don't have to worry about targeting and shooting yourself. Right now as an experiment, I am running my destroyer with the Falcon X and Graal X with the ML. With grenade II gear attached, it melts enemies...

I'd take it any day for free, but the points alone (that can be spent in other trees) make it not worth it. The shield penalty makes it a net negative IMO, even if you didn't have to spend points.

[Dokteur Kill]

Drake Malice wrote...

In case you were unaware the Devastator is a Defensive class, it is slow and tanky so it is better for defense. I play better on defense. Now if i were a Shadow or Vanguard then i would move all around the map but on gold you stick to your main strengths and mine (as well as my class's) is defense

No. Squishy adepts are defensive classes. Destroyer is an offensive powerhouse that is fantastic at unloading highly accurate automatic fire into the enemy's face. At close range, if need be.

But even if a class is best played defensively does not mean it's best played immobile. It just means that you have to be more cautious and be aware of where to find cover.