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[SuperMegaWolf]

Thread is not subjective. ME1 is Best=Fact

[fr33stylez]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Yeah. Lets get back to the topic. ME1 was the best.

No. You think ME1 was the best. Stop enforcing your opinion as a fact.

Why the heck do people say this? Sorry to pick o you, but it's a pet peeve of mine.

When I say "Chocolate cake is the best" do you immediately scream "IT'S AN OPINION! NOT A FACT!"

No **** it's an opinon! You don't have to preface every sentence you say with "Disclaimer: this is an opinon".

Do people even know what an opinon is?

Pay attention to that bit. This isn't exactly his first post about it. If you repeatedly kept telling someone that chocolate cake is the best, most likely they would be agitated enough to remind you that it's not true.

It's still an opinon no matter how many times you say it. 'Fact' should still never come into the equation when talking about what is the 'best', as this is by nature a subjective term.

This is a fact --> 'Mass Effect was released in 2007.'

This is an opion --> 'Garrus is the best character.'

This is a (medical) opinon --> 'The best course of action is chemotherapy.'

No matter how you say it or how many times you say it, an opinion cannot be construed to be a fact. You're free to never agree with that poster, but it has nothing to do with that statement being presented as a 'fact'.

[Conniving_Eagle]

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Thread is not subjective. ME1 is Best=Fact

About as much of a fact as SuperMegaWolf=Stubborn Idiot.

[fr33stylez]

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Thread is not subjective. ME1 is Best=Fact

Oh stop.

[Conniving_Eagle]

fr33stylez wrote...
It's still an opinon no matter how many times you say it. 'Fact' should still never come into the equation when talking about what is the 'best', as this is by nature a subjective term.

This is a fact --> 'Mass Effect was released in 2007.'

This is an opion --> 'Garrus is the best character.'

This is a (medical) opinon --> 'The best course of action is chemotherapy.'

No matter how you say it or how many times you say it, an opinion cannot be construed to be a fact. You're free to never agree with that poster, but it has nothing to do with that statement being presented as a 'fact'.

Yeah, read the post above the one I'm replying to...

[BatmanPWNS]

ME2 > ME1 > ME3, personally.

[Zjarcal]

ME1 is my least favorite game in the series, so far down below the other two that I don't even consider it on par with them in terms of quality. ME2 and ME3 are simply leagues better than ME1 for me. There is not a single aspect of ME1 that I consider to be superior than what was presented in the sequels.

The best way to put it is, when I first played ME1, I liked it, but didn't make me fell in love with the series at all (even if I did see the potential), whereas ME2 and ME3 definitely made me love it.

Really, were it not because ME1 is the start of my Shepard's story, I doubt I would ever replay it.

As for what is "best"... sorry, I don't engage in such pointless arguments, what you like or don't is your business, and debating over subjective stuff as if they were a fact is a waste of time.

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Thread is not subjective. ME1 is Best=Fact

Lol... now I know how seriously I should take you.

De1ta G wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Thread is not subjective. ME1 is Best=Fact

I can do that too. 

ME 3 is Best=Fact

Modifié par Zjarcal, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:53 .

[De1ta G]

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Thread is not subjective. ME1 is Best=Fact

I can do that too. 

ME 3 is Best=Fact

[Andy the Black]

De1ta G wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Wow people say that they love RPGs and they at the same time state they do not like what RPGs are made from

-exploration
-loots
-level grinding
-inventory

Sounds to me that in their minds an RPG is a TPS

RPG stands for Role-Playing Game. Not Exploration, Loots, Level Grinding, Inventory. That would be ELLGIG.

I see that you understand the words in the acronym but you don't understand what their combination entails.

As long as you get to make your own character, customize that character, choose a personality and background, make choices that effect the game, and choose what you want to level up then it's an RPG. You don't need loads of exploration, you definitely don't need an inventory, and you don't have to level grind for role playing.

What you just described is Fable 3.
Good but not even on the same level as Mass Effect.

[De1ta G]

Andy the Black wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Wow people say that they love RPGs and they at the same time state they do not like what RPGs are made from

-exploration
-loots
-level grinding
-inventory

Sounds to me that in their minds an RPG is a TPS

RPG stands for Role-Playing Game. Not Exploration, Loots, Level Grinding, Inventory. That would be ELLGIG.

I see that you understand the words in the acronym but you don't understand what their combination entails.

As long as you get to make your own character, customize that character, choose a personality and background, make choices that effect the game, and choose what you want to level up then it's an RPG. You don't need loads of exploration, you definitely don't need an inventory, and you don't have to level grind for role playing.

What you just described is Fable 3.
Good but not even on the same level as Mass Effect.

God, I hate Fable games...

it's still an RPG but I hate it. 

Modifié par De1ta G, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:55 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

lul wuts a fable game?

[RadicalDisconnect]

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Thread is not subjective. ME1 is Best=Fact

 

[SuperMegaWolf]

Guys, ME1 is the only game that actually did what it set out to do. It set up the trilogy and provided a compelling story. The second is disconnected from what was set up in the first and has hardly any plot. As for a series that set out to tell a continuous arc, ME1 is the only one that did it's job. It doesn't matter that it was "easy" because it was the beginning of the series. It is still the only one that did what it set out to do.

[Andy the Black]

De1ta G wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Wow people say that they love RPGs and they at the same time state they do not like what RPGs are made from

-exploration
-loots
-level grinding
-inventory

Sounds to me that in their minds an RPG is a TPS

RPG stands for Role-Playing Game. Not Exploration, Loots, Level Grinding, Inventory. That would be ELLGIG.

I see that you understand the words in the acronym but you don't understand what their combination entails.

As long as you get to make your own character, customize that character, choose a personality and background, make choices that effect the game, and choose what you want to level up then it's an RPG. You don't need loads of exploration, you definitely don't need an inventory, and you don't have to level grind for role playing.

What you just described is Fable 3.
Good but not even on the same level as Mass Effect.

God, I hate Fabel games...

it's still an RPG but I hate it.

Well the last two are pretty much what you get when you take out exploration and item inventory from an RPG.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:58 .

[De1ta G]

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Guys, ME1 is the only game that actually did what it set out to do. It set up the trilogy and provided a compelling story. The second is disconnected from what was set up in the first and has hardly any plot. As for a series that set out to tell a continuous arc, ME1 is the only one that did it's job. It doesn't matter that it was "easy" because it was the beginning of the series. It is still the only one that did what it set out to do.

Mass Effect 2 set out to fill in a gap in the trilogy. It did that.

Mass Effect 3 set out to be at war with the reapers and defeat the reapers. It did that.

[Conniving_Eagle]

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Guys, ME1 is the only game that actually did what it set out to do. It set up the trilogy and provided a compelling story. The second is disconnected from what was set up in the first and has hardly any plot. As for a series that set out to tell a continuous arc, ME1 is the only one that did it's job. It doesn't matter that it was "easy" because it was the beginning of the series. It is still the only one that did what it set out to do.

The Reapers were trapped in dark space, what the hell was ME2 supposed to do?

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 24 juillet 2012 - 05:00 .

[De1ta G]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Guys, ME1 is the only game that actually did what it set out to do. It set up the trilogy and provided a compelling story. The second is disconnected from what was set up in the first and has hardly any plot. As for a series that set out to tell a continuous arc, ME1 is the only one that did it's job. It doesn't matter that it was "easy" because it was the beginning of the series. It is still the only one that did what it set out to do.

The Reapers were trapped in dark space, what the hell was ME2 supposed to do?

I think Mass Effect 2 did a good job of introducing new characters and reestablishing friendships with old ones.

[MegaSovereign]

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Thread is not subjective. ME1 is Best=Fact

No actually, that's an opinion.

I think all three games have their pros and cons.

[SubAstris]

Zjarcal wrote...
 There is not a single aspect of ME1 that I consider to be superior than what was presented in the sequels.

What about in terms of plot? You can't really say that ME2 or ME3 is as narratively coherent as the first game

[tonnactus]

De1ta G wrote...


I think Mass Effect 2 did a good job of introducing new characters and reestablishing friendships with old ones.

Except that most of the new ones were pointless aside from legion and mordin.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Guys, ME1 is the only game that actually did what it set out to do. It set up the trilogy and provided a compelling story. The second is disconnected from what was set up in the first and has hardly any plot. As for a series that set out to tell a continuous arc, ME1 is the only one that did it's job. It doesn't matter that it was "easy" because it was the beginning of the series. It is still the only one that did what it set out to do.

Did ME1 also set out to have crappy gameplay and terrible characters? Because if so, I think we're better off without it.

[MegaSovereign]

SubAstris wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
 There is not a single aspect of ME1 that I consider to be superior than what was presented in the sequels.

What about in terms of plot? You can't really say that ME2 or ME3 is as narratively coherent as the first game

All 3 games had weak plots, ME2 being the weakest.

Mass Effect's strength is in its character development and role playing.

[SuperMegaWolf]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Guys, ME1 is the only game that actually did what it set out to do. It set up the trilogy and provided a compelling story. The second is disconnected from what was set up in the first and has hardly any plot. As for a series that set out to tell a continuous arc, ME1 is the only one that did it's job. It doesn't matter that it was "easy" because it was the beginning of the series. It is still the only one that did what it set out to do.

The Reapers were trapped in dark space, what the hell was ME2 supposed to do?

Do you know how story progression works? At the end of ME1 we were left with "hey, we bought some time. Now we have to convince everyone there's still a threat and figure out how to stop them". So for ME2 you'd be persuing way to stop them. Emphasis on exploration and discovery with things fleshed out and not copied rock areas. It would probably involve dealing with the shadow broker and expand on other threads left open for the first game. Then by the third you'd actually have some way to fight the reapers which would avoid literal "Deus Ex Machina".

[CronoDragoon]

Worst game in the series, but still great.

[BazookaDre]

Just wanted to put in my two cents.

In my opinion, ME 1 had the biggest impact for me and certainly was the best in the series for me. I felt the story was stronger and the RPG elements to be great. I didn't mind the inventory system and I loved the Mako and exploration bits. ( I'm a tank person, what can I say?) Since these were covered already, I won't go over them again. Others have iterated my opinions perhaps much better than I could have earlier.

However, there is one more admittedly subjective reason why ME 1 was the best that I didn't see mentioned yet, for me at least. The SR-1 Normandy was just so much better than the SR-2. Now before SR-2 fans jump down my throat, here is my reasons for believing so.

1) I never saw a ship design like this before. The exterior just made this ship look like it could dance. It was new, it was fresh, and I simply fell in love with it when I first saw it. The SR-2 just looks boring with the delta wings...kinda gave it a jumbo jet feel. Its not a bad design, but it felt uninspired.

2) The interior atmosphere- couple the Normandy theme with the dark, stealthy feel of the inside of the ship. ( kinda reminded me of a nuclear sub). Yes the ship lacked a bathroom and some other important details, but the atmosphere was spot on. The SR-2 interior...well I hate chrome, but it had this mixed feel of trying to be a warship and luxury liner at the same time. It just didn't work for me. The lack of the Normandy theme was disappointing.