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ME1 Best game of the series

Débuté par SuperMegaWolf , juil. 24 2012 10:18

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 12:50

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Dear, Arcian

It wasn't a shooter. It says it's an rpg on the box and it says it has real time combat. It doesn't mention shooting.

Yet that's what the "real time combat" is all about (when you're not slinging purple magic from your hands). That's also what was shown in 80% of the game's trailers.

But disregarding marketing. What did the pre-ME fans think about it? Well, you see, back in '06, all the D&D and BioWare purists who loved classics like Baldur's Gate and NWN were frothing in rage over ME1 being "an obvious dumbed-down shooter" and a departure from BioWare's signature sword'n'sorcery RPGs, and they said it would be the death of BioWare's credibility and sales.

Funny how everything comes full cycle with each new game.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 12:50

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@Arcian. I never stood around cycling through "Shepard" "Wrex" for two hours.

I played shooters before ME1 was released. I played Gears of War. I play CoD on occasion. I've played shooters for years.

Not once did I ever get the Weapon Overheat bug. I never used Immunity and I used Warp to destroy enemies that did use it. And yes I made it through my Insanity playthrough.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 12:52

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:01

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@Arcian. I never stood around cycling through "Shepard" "Wrex" for two hours.

Then you've missed out on something.

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I played shooters before ME1 was released. I played Gears of War. I play CoD on occasion. I've played shooters for years.

Great. So how do you not see ME1's obvious shooter mechanics?

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Not once did I ever get the Weapon Overheat bug.

Lucky you. It's quite infurating.

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I never used Immunity and I used Warp to destroy enemies that did use it.

So did I, but warp has a pretty long cooldown. And I didn't always pick Warp as my bonus power, so yeah.

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And yes I made it through my Insanity playthrough.

Yes, but Insanity in ME1 isn't hard, just very, very, very tedious.

Anyway, it has to be a case of definition then, because in my vocabulary, any game that involves mandatory sequences of shooting combat that takes up over half the game is a shooter. Sure, BioWare called it an Action RPG, but the game mechanics clearly define it as a shooter.

I can understand if you don't want to use such a dirty plebeian label for your gaming love child, but it is what it is.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:02

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I guess someone would have to remake ME1 with refined Gears of War combat for people to realize it had the best story which is important when a franchise claims to have an epic, well done, overarching storyline.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:02

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Don't know, had alot of great times with Mass Effect 2, I feel thats all around the better game.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:07

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SuperMegaWolf wrote...

I guess someone would have to remake ME1 with refined Gears of War combat for people to realize it had the best story which is important when a franchise claims to have an epic, well done, overarching storyline.


I have a feeling that if they remade ME1 they would leave out all the things that made it great.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:08

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Anyway, it has to be a case of definition then, because in my vocabulary, any game that involves mandatory sequences of shooting combat that takes up over half the game is a shooter. Sure, BioWare called it an Action RPG, but the game mechanics clearly define it as a shooter.

I can understand if you don't want to use such a dirty plebeian label for your gaming love child, but it is what it is.


So you're saying that an action rpg that doesn't have shooting....say it has sword fighting or unarmed combat....should be considered a fighting or a Smash 'em up genere game?

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:10

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I'm playing through ME1 right now (just finished Noveria) and I have to agree it's the best one. I can't believe they removed the Mako and off world exploration. I loved the loot system and all they had to do was tweak its interface. The music. The continous Normandy and Citadel. Fixing autosave and some framerate issues was welcome in future games, but I'm not sure why they removed everything else.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:11

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SuperMegaWolf wrote...

I guess someone would have to remake ME1 with refined Gears of War combat for people to realize it had the best story which is important when a franchise claims to have an epic, well done, overarching storyline.



:D probably but only if they add auto-dialogue, auto-inventory managment and the option to skip Mako part altogether...probably then they will say it is a great game.

Heck probably in the future the new generations will pretend auto-shooting because othewise the shooting isn't fluid at all in the game.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:11

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ME1 was the best in the series. 2 lacked cohesion of story and overarching plot and storyline. 3... just don't even go there.


I agree, with you.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:13

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A lot of those points are very subjective to the people playing and its not just "FPS-types" that changed how ME2/3 were compared to ME1, it was these very boards. One of the biggest examples I can think of is Virmire, these boards were very unhappy that you had to pick between Kaiden and Ashley or even the fact that ME2 characters were only part of a side quest and should be full-time party members.

I think some issues with ME2/ME3 you have are simply because they used the engine from ME2 for ME3 and that is why for example loading screens are the way they are and hopefully if they design a new engine for ME4 or future games its incorporated again.

I am happy for you that you enjoy one game of the series, personally I like all three for each one has parts that I enjoy and others I dislike and at least with games like Mass Effect I can see BioWare trying to make improvements to their games, unlike other sequels I have played over the years that just seem to be making the same mistakes or game.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:16

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And personally playing through ME1 now, 'combat is terrible' is definately a gross exaggeration. The only elements I'd say clearly missing is locking onto cover while crouched. I play shooters all the time and quite frankly, Gears of War (2006) is 5 times the shooter Mass Effect 3 is - it doesn't even compare in terms of shooting, fluidity, cover, etc.

But that's okay, because I don't consider ME trilogy a shooter first, it does many other things that make it unique. But I find it weird that people think ME1 is some terrible shooter, which the implication that ME2 or ME3 has a great combat system by any objective measure.

Modifié par fr33stylez, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:17 .

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SuperMegaWolf wrote...

I guess someone would have to remake ME1 with refined Gears of War combat for people to realize it had the best story which is important when a franchise claims to have an epic, well done, overarching storyline.

I was fine with ME1 having crappy combat. I didn't play it for the combat. I played it for the cool characters, the decent story and the well-detailed universe. What I take issue with is people saying the combat was good, because it was not.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:19

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ME1 is the worst.
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Not to say it's bad, ME1 is greatl. But ME3 and especially ME2 are better.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:21

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Well, I consider ME1 to be the worst in the series. It's still amazing, just ME2 and ME3 are better. Think about the 6 squadmates in ME1. How bland were they compared to ME2 and ME3's roster?

Garrus and Tali only became fan-favorites through ME2, that's when they became awesome.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:25

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People who like Me2 and 3 the best like characters and combat more than story I think. I just always thought the series was supposed to be about an epic story, which I am more interested in.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:29

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SuperMegaWolf wrote...

People who like Me2 and 3 the best like characters and combat more than story I think. I just always thought the series was supposed to be about an epic story, which I am more interested in.


ME2 has more improvements from ME1 than just characters and combat.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:32

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ME1 has such a strong atmosphere that it is hard to resist calling it one of the greatest sci-fi games. Without ME1, success of ME2 would be much harder to achieve (ME3 & "success" just don't align together very well... at all).

And comparing the combat systems of 5 years old with the new one is a bit pushy, because everything develops fast, especially in computer world. For 2007 it was quite a good combat system. Same goes for music (it was right for that time and has improved with future two games) and graphics.

However, it still very hard for me to decide if ME1 is the best, or if ME2 is the best. Both have strong points. But, hey, ME1 started it all, so it deserves an extra credit.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:32

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SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Anyway, it has to be a case of definition then, because in my vocabulary, any game that involves mandatory sequences of shooting combat that takes up over half the game is a shooter. Sure, BioWare called it an Action RPG, but the game mechanics clearly define it as a shooter.

I can understand if you don't want to use such a dirty plebeian label for your gaming love child, but it is what it is.


So you're saying that an action rpg that doesn't have shooting...

No, what I'm saying is that it can be an Action RPG and a shooter at the same time. The "Action" part of Action RPGs is very loosely defined.

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Action role-playing games[/b] (abbreviated action RPG[/b], action/RPG[/b], or ARPG[/b]) form a loosely defined sub-genre of role-playing video games that incorporate elements of action or action-adventure games, emphasizing real-time action where the player has direct control over characters, instead ofturn-based or menu-based combat. These games often use combat systems similar to hack and slash or shooter games.[1] 


SuperMegaWolf wrote... 

say it has sword fighting or unarmed combat....should be considered a fighting or a Smash 'em up genere game?

No, because just having fighting or unarmed combat doesn't make it a Fighting or Smash/Beat 'Em Up game. Those genres are very well-defined. Of course, that does not mean the two can't be combined, but it's not really a selling combination - RPG fans generally tend to dislike Fighting/Smash 'Em Up gameplay and vice versa.

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Fighting game[/b] is a video game genre where the player controls an on-screen character and engages in close combat with an opponent. These characters tend to be of equal power and fight matches consisting of several rounds, which take place in an arena. Players must master techniques such as blocking, counter-attacking, and chaining together sequences of attacks known as "combos". Since the early 1990s, most fighting games allow the player to executespecial attacks by performing specific button combinations. The genre is related to but distinct from beat 'em ups, which involve large numbers of antagonists.



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Beat 'em up[/b] (also known as brawler[/b]) is a video game genre featuring melee combat between the protagonist and an improbably large number of underpowered enemies. These games typically take place in urban settings and feature crime-fighting and revenge-based plots, though some games may employ historical or fantasy themes. Traditional beat 'em ups take place in scrolling, two-dimensional (2D) levels, though some later games feature more open three-dimensional (3D) environments with yet larger numbers of enemies. These games are noted for their simple gameplay, a source of both critical acclaim and derision. Two-player cooperative gameplay and multipleplayer characters are also hallmarks of the genre. 


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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:33

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

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Only because ME1 actually is the best.



It is 4 in the morning where I live so I am too damn tired to get into it but I can list a ton of reasons why ME 2 alone blows ME 1 out of the water.


Yeah, I mean at least ME2 doesn't have a coherent plot or... wait... nevermind.

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Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 01:34

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

People who like Me2 and 3 the best like characters and combat more than story I think. I just always thought the series was supposed to be about an epic story, which I am more interested in.


ME2 has more improvements from ME1 than just characters and combat.


But the story is really disconnected from what is established in the first game and not very well done as far as story arcs go. I still feel like the main point of the trilogy was originally an overarching choice driven story and ME2 dropped the ball.
 

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Only because ME1 actually is the best.



It is 4 in the morning where I live so I am too damn tired to get into it but I can list a ton of reasons why ME 2 alone blows ME 1 out of the water.


Yeah, I mean at least ME2 doesn't have a coherent plot or... wait... nevermind.

So it does have a coherent plot?

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Arcian wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Only because ME1 actually is the best.



It is 4 in the morning where I live so I am too damn tired to get into it but I can list a ton of reasons why ME 2 alone blows ME 1 out of the water.


Yeah, I mean at least ME2 doesn't have a coherent plot or... wait... nevermind.

So it does have a coherent plot?


...

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SuperMegaWolf wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

SuperMegaWolf wrote...

People who like Me2 and 3 the best like characters and combat more than story I think. I just always thought the series was supposed to be about an epic story, which I am more interested in.


ME2 has more improvements from ME1 than just characters and combat.


But the story is really disconnected from what is established in the first game and not very well done as far as story arcs go. I still feel like the main point of the trilogy was originally an overarching choice driven story and ME2 dropped the ball.
 

That's because they had a very schizoid way of treating their trilogy plan, since they wanted a coherent, game-spanning story but also wanted each game to be standalone.
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