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[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Transairion wrote...

Weapons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers for some time now.

I bet this guy believes pre-Destroyer Soldiers were the best class in the game.

Tohohohohohoho.

Your inability to engage in anything but personal attacks adds nothing to the conversation.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:26 .

[UKStory135]

Kronner wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Why shouldn't weapons that you need to aim beat auto-aim powers?

Reegars, Krysaes, GPS don't need aiming. 

Of course they do. For the record I don't like any of these weapons, but to say they do not require aiming is just incorrect.

I don't get why people say the GPS doesn't require aiming.  The tracking system is only there to compensate for the projectile time that the rings of death have.  Therefore you are aiming it just like the wraith, claymore, or the carnifex.

[Thoragoros]

Kronner wrote...

Powers aren't the ezmode a lot of people seem to believe.

Neither is playing a Sentinel or Soldier.

The only difference now is, weapons are actually capable of dealing damage, whereas on release, ME3 weapons were a complete waste of time and space.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:27 .

[P51Mus7ang]

To the best of my knowledge there isn't a weapon that compete with biotics/powers, In gold and plat I do not think one could complete these levels using weapons only yet I know you can using the powers of the right character combo's as I have done it.

[JohnShades]

david_demos484 wrote...

yep; though you can still get an all biotic squad done in platinum in 20 min if you camp correctly on FBGlacier with 2 smashing and 2 using justicars bubble and area reave.

Wow, that is EXACTLY what me and my friends do on platinum when we just want to grind quick credits.  Sometimes we use three smashers and one reaver though.

[Kronner]

Gockey wrote...

That's a silly question.  A lot of weapons are instant hitscan.  A lot of powers arent.  True, Reave and Dark Channel are good distance instants.  However it is incredibly annoying having your throw dodged three times.

 

Does not change the fact that you are required to aim precisely with vast majority of weapons. With powers you simply highlight the enemy and press a button. Though I do agree that random dodges suck.

Gockey wrote... 
Additionally, powers by temselves suck.  It is the combo in the form of TB's, BE's, etc that make them worthwhile.  Do you have anyidea how often a primed glowing blue target shouts, "Shoot me first!"  A lot lol.  
 

  

How's that a bad thing?

Gockey wrote...  
Powers aren't the ezmode a lot of people seem to believe.  PLaying a justicar or a Fury require way more risk than a lot of weapon classes.  

And no, I'm not an adept fan.

I did not say power classes are EZ mode. I said that I think it is good that weapons are more effective.

[WestLakeDragon]

Fortack wrote...

Weapons have always been better in dealing damage (all 3 ME games). This is a TPS with cool abilities that make you more effective in combat. If you don't like shooting you're probably better off playing something else.

But.. but...my Asari doesn't like guns

In all seriousness, with the new characters and guns, you can use just 4 of them, but I still find that having 2 gunners and 2 BE machines makes for an easier platinum game. It gives versatility.

[Boopitty]

Kronner wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Why shouldn't weapons that you need to aim beat auto-aim powers?

Reegars, Krysaes, GPS don't need aiming. 

Of course they do. For the record I don't like any of these weapons, but to say they do not require aiming is just incorrect.

Well, with halfways decent aim, you'll hit enemies with these weapons with the same consistency as using powers. You might miss occasionally, but so do powers. 
Now, some of the other good wweapons are more difficult to use than powers, but are in turn, far more rewarding. 

[Pedactor]

I'd say GI's, Destroyers, and even Demolishers are the top dogs right now. And all three of them are weapon based.

Geth Hunter Mode and Devastation Mode are extremely potent when paired with Harriers, Typhoons, and many of the Shotguns.

Krentinels are still pretty good, too, since they get two heavies with no impact on CD's or powers either.

Tech Burst windows need to be widened, Cryo > Incin or Incin > Cryo should proc something without needing death to buff engineers.

Other classes need the AA treatment with primers and detonators getting a choice to proc powerful BE's.

AA BE's are still amazing, provided they are specced for it. Alot of the issue with BE's is on the people detonating them. They spec into more damage than more potent BE's, then detonate the primers BE's.

[VDubb]

JohnShades wrote...

david_demos484 wrote...

yep; though you can still get an all biotic squad done in platinum in 20 min if you camp correctly on FBGlacier with 2 smashing and 2 using justicars bubble and area reave.

Wow, that is EXACTLY what me and my friends do on platinum when we just want to grind quick credits.  Sometimes we use three smashers and one reaver though.

You can save two minute doing it with two Destroyers and Demolishers (or replace a demolisher with a Claymore SE/GE). 

[Thoragoros]

Pedactor wrote...

AA BE's are still amazing, provided they are specced for it. Alot of the issue with BE's is on the people detonating them. They spec into more damage than more potent BE's, then detonate the primers BE's.

Short of AP mods and AA Ammo types paird on decent weapons, unless a team starts burning through rockets, powers/biotics are still very, very necessary to deal with the boss spam of platinum,.

[xtorma]

Honestly , I can do more damage (get higher score) by using a pirhana on my shadow , and just using cloak for damage buff, then i ever could using SS and ES.

[corporal doody]

UKStory135 wrote...

BE's never should have been nerfed.

QFT

[JohnShades]

VDubb wrote...

JohnShades wrote...

david_demos484 wrote...

yep; though you can still get an all biotic squad done in platinum in 20 min if you camp correctly on FBGlacier with 2 smashing and 2 using justicars bubble and area reave.

Wow, that is EXACTLY what me and my friends do on platinum when we just want to grind quick credits.  Sometimes we use three smashers and one reaver though.

You can save two minute doing it with two Destroyers and Demolishers (or replace a demolisher with a Claymore SE/GE). 

My friends and I were thinking of trying out this strategy as well.  I was a little worried that ammo might become an issue in some of the longer waves, my typhoon eats ammo so fast that even two supply pylons might not be enough to keep me stocked.  But if it works for you perhaps we will try it!  Cheers!

[Sdrol117]

Good, because all it used to be was Biotic EXplosions. Good job fixing that Bioware. That was stupid.

[capn233]

JohnShades wrote...

My friends and I were thinking of trying out this strategy as well.  I was a little worried that ammo might become an issue in some of the longer waves, my typhoon eats ammo so fast that even two supply pylons might not be enough to keep me stocked.  But if it works for you perhaps we will try it!  Cheers!

It is fine.  Especially because Destroyers and Demolishers can easily take 2 decent weapons with them.

Harrier may not be one though since it eats through ammo very fast.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Kronner wrote...

I did not say power classes are EZ mode. I said that I think it is good that weapons are more effective.

I think it is very bad for the game. There is no reason to have power based classes if they are less effective than weapon based classes.

[ZephyrAM]

Clearly some weapons are a bit too effective now, but the overall trend is good, as weapons and weapon based classes were laughable previously. Power, primarily BE's, were god, and a team detonating BE's on a Banshee could drop it in seconds on Gold, which was far too fast.

Heck, we may even see fixes this week to some of the weapons mentioned in this thread. Further, Platinum (apparently, as I haven't bothered with it) is a serious letdown and nothing more then mixed heavy unity spam, which is bound to skew perception of abilities.

[Star fury]

Pretty much. Too many times feel useless with biotic or tech class.

[WestLakeDragon]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I did not say power classes are EZ mode. I said that I think it is good that weapons are more effective.

I think it is very bad for the game. There is no reason to have power based classes if they are less effective than weapon based classes.

Just because they're less effective, doesn't mean they're bad. Having at least 2 biotics in no way hinders a team.

[Grub Killer8016]

Lately I have been shooting a lot more than I have been using powers.

EDIT: typos are a b***h

Modifié par Grub Killer8016, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:42 .

[corporal doody]

Sdrol117 wrote...

Good, because all it used to be was Infiltrators sniping. Good job fixing that Bioware. That was stupid.

fixed

[Seifer006]

reeger & krysae

lol

[L. Han]

Techs are still quite weak.

[ZephyrAM]

corporal doody wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

Good, because all it used to be was Infiltrators sniping. Good job fixing that Bioware. That was stupid.

fixed

Actually, both his original statement and your supposed 'fix' are true, and it's better for the game that both of them 'were' fixed.