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[Master Xanthan]

Jeffry wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Jeffry wrote...

Hmm, Krysae is now totally useless for every char except Infs and is still one of the best for Infs, great job with that nerf ) You took a mediocre wpn and just ruined it. Here is a brilliant idea, if Infs are so good with it and others not, maybe nerf Infs more? Or move Krysae to Assault Rifles category?

So you want to nerf infiltrators into the ground? Dude no, the one nerf was enough.

No, not to the ground, but nerfing a wpn because one class is awesome with it makes no sense at all.

I honestly don't think the krysae needed a 2nd nerf, I barely saw anyone use it after the 1st nerf. Plus the duration nerf is enough for infiltrators. If you take damage all you get is a 4 second cloak. 

[Battlesnipe]

man krysae sniper is very nerfed...

[ChurchOfZod]

The Typhoon nerf is retarded. The goddamn weapon has barely been out a week and most people don't even have it at level I yet. Give it some time before you cornhole it like all the other good guns.

[HinDae]

This happened when?

Sorry to burst your bubbles guys, people were still doing the glitch when I came off about 3 hours ago.

Great, PUGing in gold and platinum, which is all an unlucky person such as myself can do, is now even harder due to executions from bosses AND troopers?

[LeandroBraz]

DeathIsHere wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

Ok, so question for Bioware if possible: are we supposed to stick to pistols and shotguns? I've seen neither get touched and and there are plenty of viable ones. ARs, SRs, and SMGs are all in terrible need of buffs and you just keep nerfing. Nerfed the Typhoon, the Krysae. Are we getting the right message here, that you don't want us using those weapon classes? Waiting for the Harrier nerf that's inevitably coming, it's a viable weapon!

Go to the balance changes topic, read it with attention, see how wrong you are.


 Really, BSN is a perfect demonstration of how much blind people like to be.

I have. They increase the damage of a couple ARs by about 10 points. Awesome. But where's the increases for the sniper rifles that were damaged during the TC nerf? Where's the buffs for the SMGs that are badly needed while we wait for the ULM fix that's been promised since the first patch? How about before you go calling somebody blind, you take your own advice and read with attention. There are so many things that need buffs right now, go read GodlessPaladin's balance thread. Yet what we're getting is weapon nerfs to the good weapons, buffs to the enemies, etc.

Same day as the tactical cloak nerf:
Javelin Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [3.0-2.4] to [2.7-2.4]

Black Widow Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [2.5-2.0] to [2.3-2.0]

Indra Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.25-0.7] to [1.0-0.7]

We probaly will see more buffs, just not now.

SMGs got a new powerful stability mod, try it. Locust deserve some love though, I will give you that..
The ULM fix will come, it's clear from bioware posts that we will see a patch soon

and it's almost 6 buffs for every nerf =)

[sobbos]

UserUnknown85 wrote...

Really? Superpowered guns like the Typhoon and the Piranha make it into the game (one of them got buffed, btw) and the Krysae gets nerfed into oblivion?!? How has that got anything to do with "balance"?!? The krysae isn't even such a good gun anymore, now we don't even have any good sniper rifle!!!

Any gun that makes the game easier will eventually get nerfed since they lose money for it. BioWare is a business after all, and every businesses goal is to make money.

[Rifneno]

LeandroBraz wrote...

and it's almost 6 buffs for every nerf =)

Which totally matters when the buffs are tiny and the nerfs are game-changingly huge.

[RomanowRomanow]

So THATS why I wasn't getting any of the 4 new uncommon gears from my PSP'S thx for telling me it NOW - do they even drop in vet packs AT ALL?

[Master Xanthan]

LeandroBraz wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

Ok, so question for Bioware if possible: are we supposed to stick to pistols and shotguns? I've seen neither get touched and and there are plenty of viable ones. ARs, SRs, and SMGs are all in terrible need of buffs and you just keep nerfing. Nerfed the Typhoon, the Krysae. Are we getting the right message here, that you don't want us using those weapon classes? Waiting for the Harrier nerf that's inevitably coming, it's a viable weapon!

Go to the balance changes topic, read it with attention, see how wrong you are.


 Really, BSN is a perfect demonstration of how much blind people like to be.

I have. They increase the damage of a couple ARs by about 10 points. Awesome. But where's the increases for the sniper rifles that were damaged during the TC nerf? Where's the buffs for the SMGs that are badly needed while we wait for the ULM fix that's been promised since the first patch? How about before you go calling somebody blind, you take your own advice and read with attention. There are so many things that need buffs right now, go read GodlessPaladin's balance thread. Yet what we're getting is weapon nerfs to the good weapons, buffs to the enemies, etc.

Same day as the tactical cloak nerf:
Javelin Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [3.0-2.4] to [2.7-2.4]

Black Widow Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [2.5-2.0] to [2.3-2.0]

Indra Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.25-0.7] to [1.0-0.7]

We probaly will see more buffs, just not now.

SMGs got a new powerful stability mod, try it. Locust deserve some love though, I will give you that..
The ULM fix will come, it's clear from bioware posts that we will see a patch soon

and it's almost 6 buffs for every nerf =)

Well I guesss we should get 18 buffs next week (not really serious here if anyone couldn't tell).

[DeathIsHere]

LeandroBraz wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

Ok, so question for Bioware if possible: are we supposed to stick to pistols and shotguns? I've seen neither get touched and and there are plenty of viable ones. ARs, SRs, and SMGs are all in terrible need of buffs and you just keep nerfing. Nerfed the Typhoon, the Krysae. Are we getting the right message here, that you don't want us using those weapon classes? Waiting for the Harrier nerf that's inevitably coming, it's a viable weapon!

Go to the balance changes topic, read it with attention, see how wrong you are.


 Really, BSN is a perfect demonstration of how much blind people like to be.

I have. They increase the damage of a couple ARs by about 10 points. Awesome. But where's the increases for the sniper rifles that were damaged during the TC nerf? Where's the buffs for the SMGs that are badly needed while we wait for the ULM fix that's been promised since the first patch? How about before you go calling somebody blind, you take your own advice and read with attention. There are so many things that need buffs right now, go read GodlessPaladin's balance thread. Yet what we're getting is weapon nerfs to the good weapons, buffs to the enemies, etc.

Same day as the tactical cloak nerf:
Javelin Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [3.0-2.4] to [2.7-2.4]

Black Widow Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [2.5-2.0] to [2.3-2.0]

Indra Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.25-0.7] to [1.0-0.7]

We probaly will see more buffs, just not now.

SMGs got a new powerful stability mod, try it. Locust deserve some love though, I will give you that..
The ULM fix will come, it's clear from bioware posts that we will see a patch soon

and it's almost 6 buffs for every nerf =)

Those are just the UR sniper rifles, and the Javelin was nerfed far more than it was buffed (fairly certain in one of the first balance changes they dropped its spare ammo capacity to 5.) Couple that with the fact that those buffs were only to help the people that don't have them at higher levels (overall the weight didn't change, just the starting weight) and you get a very small buff. They still need help.

With the SMGs, the stability mod is great and I didn't say it wasn't. But weapons like the Locust need help. Not all SMGs are in need of buffs, the Hurricane for example is perfect where it's at. But weapons like the Locust, the Tempest, etc. Could use a bump.

I wanna make this clear as reading through my previous post (which was made out of frustration, so my point got a bit muddled) I realized it may have given off the wrong vibe. I know they're not nerfing constantly. The problem I have is right now, at the moment, we need buffs. To classes and weapons. They should do the buffs first, then figure out what needs to be nerfed. That way the nerfs don't hit as hard.

[Jeffry]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Jeffry wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Jeffry wrote...

Hmm, Krysae is now totally useless for every char except Infs and is still one of the best for Infs, great job with that nerf ) You took a mediocre wpn and just ruined it. Here is a brilliant idea, if Infs are so good with it and others not, maybe nerf Infs more? Or move Krysae to Assault Rifles category?

So you want to nerf infiltrators into the ground? Dude no, the one nerf was enough.

No, not to the ground, but nerfing a wpn because one class is awesome with it makes no sense at all.

I honestly don't think the krysae needed a 2nd nerf, I barely saw anyone use it after the 1st nerf. Plus the duration nerf is enough for infiltrators. If you take damage all you get is a 4 second cloak. 

I dont see the duration thing as a nerf, Infs now just have to choose what role they want to play, they dont have one cookie cutter build anymore, which is a good thing. And either way theyre still the best chars for objective capping, dmg dealing, burst dmg, surviving, ressing, no other char can match them in these categories, thats why I want to nerf them a bit more. And dont get me wrong, Im not saying this because I hate them, Inf is my 2nd most played char.

Exactly, the Krysae didnt need a 2nd nerf at all, but if you want to break the Inf + Krysae combo, which I guess we can agree, is OP, the logical way to do so is either nerf Inf a bit more or move Krysae to another wpn category or both. But not ruin the wpn for everyone else, that was utterly stupid thing to do. If it werent for those other fixes in this balance round, Id be pissed off.

[Rifneno]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Well I guesss we should get 18 buffs next week (not really serious here if anyone couldn't tell).

We'll get 18 buffs.  18 guns will be increased by 1 damage per shot and to compensate the harrier's damage will be reduced by 40%.  Can't have people wanting stuff from the previous DLC.  That would hurt microtransaction scam--er, sales.

[CenturyCrow]

Derek Hollan wrote...
- Fix for some uncommon gear not showing up in Spectre + Spectre Premium packs

So instead of a lot of Level 4 ammo, I may now get something worthwhile?

[Mandalore313]

I like how they fixed the only bug that's costing them potential money.

[Master Xanthan]

Jeffry wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Jeffry wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Jeffry wrote...

Hmm, Krysae is now totally useless for every char except Infs and is still one of the best for Infs, great job with that nerf ) You took a mediocre wpn and just ruined it. Here is a brilliant idea, if Infs are so good with it and others not, maybe nerf Infs more? Or move Krysae to Assault Rifles category?

So you want to nerf infiltrators into the ground? Dude no, the one nerf was enough.

No, not to the ground, but nerfing a wpn because one class is awesome with it makes no sense at all.

I honestly don't think the krysae needed a 2nd nerf, I barely saw anyone use it after the 1st nerf. Plus the duration nerf is enough for infiltrators. If you take damage all you get is a 4 second cloak. 

I dont see the duration thing as a nerf, Infs now just have to choose what role they want to play, they dont have one cookie cutter build anymore, which is a good thing. And either way theyre still the best chars for objective capping, dmg dealing, burst dmg, surviving, ressing, no other char can match them in these categories, thats why I want to nerf them a bit more. And dont get me wrong, Im not saying this because I hate them, Inf is my 2nd most played char.

Exactly, the Krysae didnt need a 2nd nerf at all, but if you want to break the Inf + Krysae combo, which I guess we can agree, is OP, the logical way to do so is either nerf Inf a bit more or move Krysae to another wpn category or both. But not ruin the wpn for everyone else, that was utterly stupid thing to do. If it werent for those other fixes in this balance round, Id be pissed off.

Your first paragraph actually supports my argument that the infiltrator doesn't need anymore nerfs. Since there isn't just one cookie cutter build and you have to choose between the roles you play, this makes infiltrators balanced now. But if you were nerf them again, it would pretty much ruin the class.

[Omnifarious Nef]

Thank god I got my hands on the Typhoon before you guys nerfed it. And the Kyrsae. will it even be usable now? That seemed really unnecessary, and I don't even use the damn thing.

[UKillMeLongTime]

HinDae wrote...

This happened when?

Sorry to burst your bubbles guys, people were still doing the glitch when I came off about 3 hours ago.

Great, PUGing in gold and platinum, which is all an unlucky person such as myself can do, is now even harder due to executions from bosses AND troopers?

They might have not closed the game yet
at times i know things need to be 'reonnect' to the servers

but if that's it in time they will be also 'fixed'

I hope thats it I just know i like how the rockets shoot now. I was tired of getting downed trying to shoot a rocket.

[Nexpeed]

Piranha shotgun was also nerfed

[joker_jack]

Now that the krysae is unusable let's see what people complain about next to get nerfed.

[UKStory135]

LeandroBraz wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

Ok, so question for Bioware if possible: are we supposed to stick to pistols and shotguns? I've seen neither get touched and and there are plenty of viable ones. ARs, SRs, and SMGs are all in terrible need of buffs and you just keep nerfing. Nerfed the Typhoon, the Krysae. Are we getting the right message here, that you don't want us using those weapon classes? Waiting for the Harrier nerf that's inevitably coming, it's a viable weapon!

Go to the balance changes topic, read it with attention, see how wrong you are.


 Really, BSN is a perfect demonstration of how much blind people like to be.

I have. They increase the damage of a couple ARs by about 10 points. Awesome. But where's the increases for the sniper rifles that were damaged during the TC nerf? Where's the buffs for the SMGs that are badly needed while we wait for the ULM fix that's been promised since the first patch? How about before you go calling somebody blind, you take your own advice and read with attention. There are so many things that need buffs right now, go read GodlessPaladin's balance thread. Yet what we're getting is weapon nerfs to the good weapons, buffs to the enemies, etc.

Same day as the tactical cloak nerf:
Javelin Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [3.0-2.4] to [2.7-2.4]

Black Widow Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [2.5-2.0] to [2.3-2.0]

Indra Sniper Rifle
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.25-0.7] to [1.0-0.7]

We probaly will see more buffs, just not now.

SMGs got a new powerful stability mod, try it. Locust deserve some love though, I will give you that..
The ULM fix will come, it's clear from bioware posts that we will see a patch soon

and it's almost 6 buffs for every nerf =)

I don't consider the UR weight reductions to be buffs since all they were meant to do was lower the price of entry for using an Ultra-rare at level X they weren't changed at all.  The cooldown that was lost with the TC nerf more than compensates for a small weight reduction.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

Nerfing weapons in a non-competitive game. Utter genius. /sarcasm.

Modifié par LegacyOfTheAsh, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:06 .

[Jeffry]

joker_jack wrote...

Now that the krysae is unusable let's see what people complain about next to get nerfed.

imo arc and homing grenades or biotic explosions

[DoubleHell]

Good changes all round this week.

Will see how the missile launcher ROF change affects gameplay.

[Jeffry]

Master Xanthan wrote...
Your first paragraph actually supports my argument that the infiltrator doesn't need anymore nerfs. Since there isn't just one cookie cutter build and you have to choose between the roles you play, this makes infiltrators balanced now. But if you were nerf them again, it would pretty much ruin the class.

nah, another 10% dmg nerf or something like that would hardly ruin the class, it would still be the best dmg dealer out there, but at least not by that much