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#426
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UKillMeLongTime wrote...

The uncommon should pop more still
3 psps in a row and just level 4 crap.
After the second DLC I got this stuff in veteran packs much less the spectres

Now it's more ammo 4 and guys how about a +3 for something that costs so much. Really!



you all realize that uncommon gear is uncommon, and that the level 4 ammo types are RARE and therefore don't have anything to do with eachother right?

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Well Sniper Rifles are officially dead now, anyone saying otherwise is clueless.


Yet, here I am, rocking with my Valiant.
/clueless



Clearly you didn't play before they removed head shots to boss types. Lol, they aren't even HALF as good as they used to be, not too mention the TC nerf. Anyone still using a SR on an Infiltrator is not using it to the best of it's ability. Or did you just say that to argue a point that is so obvious that you are just trolling?


Wow, so angry. :o
No, not trolling. Totally serious. And you're right about the bosses. My Infiltrator is obviously no boss-killer and is not supposed to be one. Nevertheless, SRs won't die, ever.


I never saw any memo that stated that Infiltrators using SR shouldn't be able to effectively kill boss types. But, by putting a shotgun on it, you still can. So, all this stuff did, getting rid of head shots on bosses, nerfing TC, Shield Gating, and SR nerfs did was crush them into the ground. If you want to play the character to the best of it's ability, you simply can't use a sniper rifle anymore, guns like the Piranha and Claymore outclass them by far. 

So say what you will, but you're wrong, period and the proof says you are.

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WOO! Time to start playing again

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nerfing guns days after they are released looks really bad for bioware

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This is why we don't cry for nerfs, because Bioware doesn't know how to, they only know how to nerf so badly it kills the weapon.

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good stuff.

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Do Bioware want nobody to use the Krysae again? If so JOB DONE!

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Man, the Kyrsae got it BAD. At least they fixed the missile glitch and they didn't nerf characters or the Typhoon. Thank GOD they didn't.

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Nice changes, keep up the good work, it keeps them whiners posting.

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blacksheepD wrote...

Do Bioware want nobody to use the Krysae again? If so JOB DONE!


This would seem to be their goal.  You don't nerf a weapon's DPS 40% with the intention of having it remain popular.

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Atheosis wrote...

blacksheepD wrote...

Do Bioware want nobody to use the Krysae again? If so JOB DONE!


This would seem to be their goal.  You don't nerf a weapon's DPS 40% with the intention of having it remain popular.


Well, I bet over 1000 missile glitchers won't be playing ME3 anymore.... :D

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Some utterly pointless and STUPID nerfs this week.

Missile glitching is gone? Good. I like that, though someone said otherwise so I'd look into NOT deceiving people or actually making sure what you say has happened.

Krysae? Not too happy about this. Didn't use it much after a while, but it was pretty balanced already without the new nerfs. Now, as people have said, it's basically a Falcon without the ability to stagger. Stupid move.

Typhoon? Didn't see the point of it being nerfed, being UR and all, but it still pierces 0.25m so it's fine. Still though, the hate for ARs has really got to stop. BioWare's hate for ARs, like the Krysae nerf, is stupid.

Enemies stomping in Gold/Platinum? This one is badly worded. Which enemies will stomp? All? Clarification is needed, but it seems like the change wasn't very necessary. The difficulty of Gold and Platinum is quite high and to make it even higher? Depending on who stomps in those difficulties, and the rate at which they do, it's either a REALLY stupid move or one that won't make too much of a difference.

As others have stated though, what about all the OTHER problems?

Buff to the Destroyer's Missile Launcher? The Destroyer's Missile Launcher is worthless, even on Bronze and Silver. Things don't get much worse than that. Check the Mass Effect Wiki, even THEY recommend not taking it because it's WORTHLESS. They say, "Because the Missile Launcher even when fully evolved is both WEAK, INACCURATE, and COSTS HALF YOUR SHIELDS the MOST effective way to evolve the Destroyer is to completely IGNORE evolving the Missile Launcher." That's not sad; it's pathetic. Good job, BioWare. You messed up. Again.

The random game freezes with the new Earth DLC installed? Anything going to be done about that?

Also, I'd recommend you ignore the ones who say the new N7 characters need a nerf. Listening to them is killing your game. I'd say the new characters, aside from the Paladin (what's his purpose in life?), are the ONLY things that are keeping the game's MP interesting.

Does ANYONE at BioWare know what they're doing when it comes to MP? Can't you guys bother asking DICE for help because it's clear no one know what to do. Noobs.

Modifié par OniEdge, 25 juillet 2012 - 12:13 .


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Mssile Glitching is finally gone - Good

Krysae = Falcon 2.0 - Pretty indifferent, since I rarely use it.

Typhoon Penetration (Giggity!) Nerf - This was pretty uncalled for.

Curbstomping on Gold and Platinum - Bioware, you just went full retard, making the hardest difficulties even harder, but I think I can manage.

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Modifié par Atheosis, 25 juillet 2012 - 12:54 .


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When is Eric Fagnan returning again?


Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.

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If BW thinks the krysae was too powerful, they haven't seen grenades.


Well they are grenades they do what they are suppose to.  This thing was a rocket launcher pretending to be a sniper rifle.


Barrett XM109, for example, doing what it's supposed to do.  The krysae is no less pretending to be a sniper rifle now than it was before.  If anything, I'd say it's a pretender now.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 25 juillet 2012 - 12:47 .


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death_for_sale wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

When is Eric Fagnan returning again?


Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.


If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?

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death_for_sale wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

When is Eric Fagnan returning again?


Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.


If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?


Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.

The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.

Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:

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death_for_sale wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

When is Eric Fagnan returning again?


Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.


If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?


Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.

The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.

Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:


It enrages me and I haven't even used the krysae in weeks.  Even then it was just soloing a lvl 1 in bronze.  So I guess we can chalk up another thing you're wrong about.

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death_for_sale wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

When is Eric Fagnan returning again?


Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.


If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?


Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.

The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.

Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:

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So because the Krysae was overpowered with a small selection of classes it deserved a 40% DPS nerf? :pinched:

The Krysae is now inferior in virtually every way to the Falcon, and the Falcon is nothing more than a gimmick weapon used to stagger and set up tech bursts.  

Modifié par Atheosis, 25 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .


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jerrinehart wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

jerrinehart wrote...

b1onic wrote...

jerrinehart wrote...

Well Sniper Rifles are officially dead now, anyone saying otherwise is clueless.


Yet, here I am, rocking with my Valiant.
/clueless



Clearly you didn't play before they removed head shots to boss types. Lol, they aren't even HALF as good as they used to be, not too mention the TC nerf. Anyone still using a SR on an Infiltrator is not using it to the best of it's ability. Or did you just say that to argue a point that is so obvious that you are just trolling?


Or maybe your just simply not as good as you thought you were.


Or maybe I am aware that using a shotgun such as a Claymore on an Infiltrator is now much more effective in ALL aspects instead of any of the sniper rifles. 

Are you seriously going to argue that point? 

Oh wait you didn't make a point at all, all you did was insult me.

Not too mention you don't even have the Unwavering Achivement, so who are you to randomly throw insults like that?


Nope. If an infiltrator is going for a long range build, a shotgun can be one of the worst options. If a player misses a shot with the shougun at close range, they are in trouble and many enemies will draw their attention to them. Also, a Claymore with smart choke is accurate, but no where near as accurate as a sniper. Sniping can help reduce the amount of aggro placed on players, and is much more accurate. And if you're going to tell me some BS about how snipers are not effective, then you definately have never heard of the sniper damage bonus of TC, and powerful snipers such as the Widow, Black Widow, Valiant, Mantis, and Indra. These can deal high amounts of damage without risking getting close to the enemy.

So yes, I am indirectly...questioning you for not being able to adapt to a change.

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Rifneno wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

When is Eric Fagnan returning again?


Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.


If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?


Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.

The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.

Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:


It enrages me and I haven't even used the krysae in weeks.  Even then it was just soloing a lvl 1 in bronze.  So I guess we can chalk up another thing you're wrong about.


You are certainly welcome to your opinion on whether or not I am wrong about anything. I will tell you that if something needs balancing, I will point it out. If that enrages you or anyone else that needs that something to function in a game that has two VERY easy difficulty levels (Bronze/Silver), I apologize, but it doesn't change my opinion in the slightest.

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good job bioware now i want to quit forever. get execution in gold an platinum what part smart idea is this?

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Atheosis wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

When is Eric Fagnan returning again?


Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.


If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?


Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.

The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.

Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:

Image IPB


So because the Krysae was overpowered with a small selection of classes it deserved a 40% DPS nerf? :pinched:

The Krysae is now inferior in virtually every way to the Falcon, and the Falcon is nothing more than a gimmick weapon used to stagger and set up tech bursts.  


The Falcon is a very nice weapon if you know how to use it. But let's look at this statistically.

Falcon X DPS: 290.83
Krysae X New DPS: 319.666, repeating of course.

Krysae still gets SR boost from Evo 6 on Infiltrator, so that is also better than the Falcon for that class.

The reason why the non-zoom recoil was increased is because the Krysae was not meant to be used unzoomed, which quite a few people were doing. The zoom recoil to 5 is a bit much.

The Ammo drop is minimal.

So, realistically, you still have a weapon that does more damage than the Falcon on every class and does even more on an Infiltrator if you spec Evo 6 TC for it. You can continue to say that it is worse if you like and that the Falcon is a gimmick weapon, but you would be wrong.

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jerrinehart wrote...

b1onic wrote...

jerrinehart wrote...

b1onic wrote...

jerrinehart wrote...

Well Sniper Rifles are officially dead now, anyone saying otherwise is clueless.


Yet, here I am, rocking with my Valiant.
/clueless



Clearly you didn't play before they removed head shots to boss types. Lol, they aren't even HALF as good as they used to be, not too mention the TC nerf. Anyone still using a SR on an Infiltrator is not using it to the best of it's ability. Or did you just say that to argue a point that is so obvious that you are just trolling?


Wow, so angry. :o
No, not trolling. Totally serious. And you're right about the bosses. My Infiltrator is obviously no boss-killer and is not supposed to be one. Nevertheless, SRs won't die, ever.


I never saw any memo that stated that Infiltrators using SR shouldn't be able to effectively kill boss types. But, by putting a shotgun on it, you still can. So, all this stuff did, getting rid of head shots on bosses, nerfing TC, Shield Gating, and SR nerfs did was crush them into the ground. If you want to play the character to the best of it's ability, you simply can't use a sniper rifle anymore, guns like the Piranha and Claymore outclass them by far. 

So say what you will, but you're wrong, period and the proof says you are.


Bioware did their best to make shotguns less of an option by decreasing cloak duration and forcing you to choose between damage or duration on Evo 4. Given that a shotgun infiltrator is going to be closer to the enemy and flanking a lot, the intent was likely to force a duration choice, making them less effective than a ranged sniper with full damage.

For the very skilled, that didn't do much, but for your average player, running shotgun without duration is not really an option.