Absolutely adore the balance changes this week. Suspect it might take a week or two to get the crap players out of Gold and safely back into Silver, but I can live with that. No more missile glitches and (finally) a reasonably balanced Krysae.
Also looking forward to finally getting some of that uncommon gear.
Excellent work, BW. My lagging faith has been restored.
Now bring us DA III
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#452
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 01:52
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death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
When is Eric Fagnan returning again?
Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.
If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?
Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.
The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.
Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:
So because the Krysae was overpowered with a small selection of classes it deserved a 40% DPS nerf?
The Krysae is now inferior in virtually every way to the Falcon, and the Falcon is nothing more than a gimmick weapon used to stagger and set up tech bursts.
The Falcon is a very nice weapon if you know how to use it. But let's look at this statistically.
Falcon X DPS: 290.83
Krysae X New DPS: 319.666, repeating of course.
Krysae still gets SR boost from Evo 6 on Infiltrator, so that is also better than the Falcon for that class.
The reason why the non-zoom recoil was increased is because the Krysae was not meant to be used unzoomed, which quite a few people were doing. The zoom recoil to 5 is a bit much.
The Ammo drop is minimal.
So, realistically, you still have a weapon that does more damage than the Falcon on every class and does even more on an Infiltrator if you spec Evo 6 TC for it. You can continue to say that it is worse if you like and that the Falcon is a gimmick weapon, but you would be wrong.
The Falcon has a much bigger magazine which can expanded and staggers at a much faster rate.
And no, the Falcon is not "a very nice weapon if you know how to use it". It is a gimmick weapon with very specific uses. Outside of those very specific uses it sucks. The Krysae has now joined it in that category, but with its heavily restricted magazine size and stupidly slow rate of fire it is now inferior.
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Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
When is Eric Fagnan returning again?
Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.
If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?
Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.
The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.
Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:
So because the Krysae was overpowered with a small selection of classes it deserved a 40% DPS nerf?
The Krysae is now inferior in virtually every way to the Falcon, and the Falcon is nothing more than a gimmick weapon used to stagger and set up tech bursts.
The Falcon is a very nice weapon if you know how to use it. But let's look at this statistically.
Falcon X DPS: 290.83
Krysae X New DPS: 319.666, repeating of course.
Krysae still gets SR boost from Evo 6 on Infiltrator, so that is also better than the Falcon for that class.
The reason why the non-zoom recoil was increased is because the Krysae was not meant to be used unzoomed, which quite a few people were doing. The zoom recoil to 5 is a bit much.
The Ammo drop is minimal.
So, realistically, you still have a weapon that does more damage than the Falcon on every class and does even more on an Infiltrator if you spec Evo 6 TC for it. You can continue to say that it is worse if you like and that the Falcon is a gimmick weapon, but you would be wrong.
The Falcon has a much bigger magazine which can expanded and staggers at a much faster rate.
And no, the Falcon is not "a very nice weapon if you know how to use it". It is a gimmick weapon with very specific uses. Outside of those very specific uses it sucks. The Krysae has now joined it in that category, but with its heavily restricted magazine size and stupidly slow rate of fire it is now inferior.
The falcon has 38 shots with extended magazine, the Krysae has.................37 with extended magazine. The RoF is slower to help lower the damage and also to make it less of a go to weapon for classes with a RoF increase bonus.
Your opinion on the Falcon is simply that, your opinion. It is incredible for AoE staggering and application of ammo effects, does a decent amount of damage on Gold before any weapon damage boosts, and is an effective weapon. Before the Krysae came out, the Falcon was my go to weapon on my Turian sentinel for Tech Bursts and it was one of the primary ones I used on my Human/Batarian Soldiers on Gold.
Try again.
#454
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:12
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death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
When is Eric Fagnan returning again?
Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.
If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?
Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.
The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.
Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:
So because the Krysae was overpowered with a small selection of classes it deserved a 40% DPS nerf?
The Krysae is now inferior in virtually every way to the Falcon, and the Falcon is nothing more than a gimmick weapon used to stagger and set up tech bursts.
The Falcon is a very nice weapon if you know how to use it. But let's look at this statistically.
Falcon X DPS: 290.83
Krysae X New DPS: 319.666, repeating of course.
Krysae still gets SR boost from Evo 6 on Infiltrator, so that is also better than the Falcon for that class.
The reason why the non-zoom recoil was increased is because the Krysae was not meant to be used unzoomed, which quite a few people were doing. The zoom recoil to 5 is a bit much.
The Ammo drop is minimal.
So, realistically, you still have a weapon that does more damage than the Falcon on every class and does even more on an Infiltrator if you spec Evo 6 TC for it. You can continue to say that it is worse if you like and that the Falcon is a gimmick weapon, but you would be wrong.
The Falcon has a much bigger magazine which can expanded and staggers at a much faster rate.
And no, the Falcon is not "a very nice weapon if you know how to use it". It is a gimmick weapon with very specific uses. Outside of those very specific uses it sucks. The Krysae has now joined it in that category, but with its heavily restricted magazine size and stupidly slow rate of fire it is now inferior.
The falcon has 38 shots with extended magazine, the Krysae has.................37 with extended magazine. The RoF is slower to help lower the damage and also to make it less of a go to weapon for classes with a RoF increase bonus.
Your opinion on the Falcon is simply that, your opinion. It is incredible for AoE staggering and application of ammo effects, does a decent amount of damage on Gold before any weapon damage boosts, and is an effective weapon. Before the Krysae came out, the Falcon was my go to weapon on my Turian sentinel for Tech Bursts and it was one of the primary ones I used on my Human/Batarian Soldiers on Gold.
Try again.
Comparing total ammo capacity is totally irrelvant. The Falcon has a 10 round magazine with extended mag to the Krysae's 3, and fires nearly 50% faster therefore staggering at a much higher rate. The only thing the Krysae is now good at, the Falcon does better, and the Falcon is nothing more than a gimmick weapon as is (yes its gimmick is solid overall, but it remains a gimmick nontheless).
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Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
When is Eric Fagnan returning again?
Hopefully not anytime soon, the new guy knows what he is doing.
If he knows he's screwing things up then why does he do it anyway?
Well, that is where we differ in opinion. You think he is screwing up, I think he is finally fixing some long overdue balance issues.
The sheer number of whine threads started today simply proves one thing. A lot of people were using the Krysae to play above their skill level.
Now it more closely resembles an actual weapon and not this:
So because the Krysae was overpowered with a small selection of classes it deserved a 40% DPS nerf?
The Krysae is now inferior in virtually every way to the Falcon, and the Falcon is nothing more than a gimmick weapon used to stagger and set up tech bursts.
The Falcon is a very nice weapon if you know how to use it. But let's look at this statistically.
Falcon X DPS: 290.83
Krysae X New DPS: 319.666, repeating of course.
Krysae still gets SR boost from Evo 6 on Infiltrator, so that is also better than the Falcon for that class.
The reason why the non-zoom recoil was increased is because the Krysae was not meant to be used unzoomed, which quite a few people were doing. The zoom recoil to 5 is a bit much.
The Ammo drop is minimal.
So, realistically, you still have a weapon that does more damage than the Falcon on every class and does even more on an Infiltrator if you spec Evo 6 TC for it. You can continue to say that it is worse if you like and that the Falcon is a gimmick weapon, but you would be wrong.
The Falcon has a much bigger magazine which can expanded and staggers at a much faster rate.
And no, the Falcon is not "a very nice weapon if you know how to use it". It is a gimmick weapon with very specific uses. Outside of those very specific uses it sucks. The Krysae has now joined it in that category, but with its heavily restricted magazine size and stupidly slow rate of fire it is now inferior.
The falcon has 38 shots with extended magazine, the Krysae has.................37 with extended magazine. The RoF is slower to help lower the damage and also to make it less of a go to weapon for classes with a RoF increase bonus.
Your opinion on the Falcon is simply that, your opinion. It is incredible for AoE staggering and application of ammo effects, does a decent amount of damage on Gold before any weapon damage boosts, and is an effective weapon. Before the Krysae came out, the Falcon was my go to weapon on my Turian sentinel for Tech Bursts and it was one of the primary ones I used on my Human/Batarian Soldiers on Gold.
Try again.
Comparing total ammo capacity is totally irrelvant. The Falcon has a 10 round magazine with extended mag to the Krysae's 3, and fires nearly 50% faster therefore staggering at a much higher rate. The only thing the Krysae is now good at, the Falcon does better, and the Falcon is nothing more than a gimmick weapon as is (yes its gimmick is solid overall, but it remains a gimmick nontheless).
The Falcon is an AR. THe Krysae is a SR, and other than 2 hybrids and 1 other SR that has 5 shots, it has a standard amount of shots for a multi-round SR.
As far as the Falcon's gimmick weapon status, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:36
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Mendelevosa wrote...
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Well Sniper Rifles are officially dead now, anyone saying otherwise is clueless.
Yet, here I am, rocking with my Valiant.
/clueless
Clearly you didn't play before they removed head shots to boss types. Lol, they aren't even HALF as good as they used to be, not too mention the TC nerf. Anyone still using a SR on an Infiltrator is not using it to the best of it's ability. Or did you just say that to argue a point that is so obvious that you are just trolling?
Or maybe your just simply not as good as you thought you were.
Or maybe I am aware that using a shotgun such as a Claymore on an Infiltrator is now much more effective in ALL aspects instead of any of the sniper rifles.
Are you seriously going to argue that point?
Oh wait you didn't make a point at all, all you did was insult me.
Not too mention you don't even have the Unwavering Achivement, so who are you to randomly throw insults like that?
Nope. If an infiltrator is going for a long range build, a shotgun can be one of the worst options. If a player misses a shot with the shougun at close range, they are in trouble and many enemies will draw their attention to them. Also, a Claymore with smart choke is accurate, but no where near as accurate as a sniper. Sniping can help reduce the amount of aggro placed on players, and is much more accurate. And if you're going to tell me some BS about how snipers are not effective, then you definately have never heard of the sniper damage bonus of TC, and powerful snipers such as the Widow, Black Widow, Valiant, Mantis, and Indra. These can deal high amounts of damage without risking getting close to the enemy.
So yes, I am indirectly...questioning you for not being able to adapt to a change.
Almost every single thing you said there was completely false and untrue, even before all o the changes half of what you just said made no sense.
No offense, but no wonder you have yet to clear the original 6 maps on Gold yet.
I guess it's on you to either stay willfully ignorant and in dark or not cause alll the proof in the world won't change your mind. Shotgun Infiltrators outclass Sniper Infiltrators so far now it's not even funny, and actually I am the one who adapted, not you, you're the one who still thinks using a sniper rilfe is the best way to go, so keep on keeping on bud.
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#457
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:40
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and the nerfers whine...err, win again.
#458
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:41
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Great job, Bioware 
Also got 3 Ultra Rares in 8 PSPs, moar reason to love you guys
Also got 3 Ultra Rares in 8 PSPs, moar reason to love you guys
#459
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:42
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death_for_sale wrote...
The Falcon is an AR. THe Krysae is a SR, and other than 2 hybrids and 1 other SR that has 5 shots, it has a standard amount of shots for a multi-round SR.
As far as the Falcon's gimmick weapon status, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Their differnt weapon categories means nothing. Sniper rifles don't exist solely for the sake of Infiltrators.
And I don't know how you think a weapon that does laughable damage and requires disruptor ammo and tech bursts to shine is anything other than a gimmick weapon. But you're right, we can certainly agree to disagree. Much in the same way I would agree to disagree with someone who thought the world was flat.
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#460
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:48
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Glad the Krysae got nerfed a bit more, but can we have a bit of a buff for infiltrators now, please.
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Atheosis wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
The Falcon is an AR. THe Krysae is a SR, and other than 2 hybrids and 1 other SR that has 5 shots, it has a standard amount of shots for a multi-round SR.
As far as the Falcon's gimmick weapon status, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Their differnt weapon categories means nothing. Sniper rifles don't exist solely for the sake of Infiltrators.
And I don't know how you think a weapon that does laughable damage and requires disruptor ammo and tech bursts to shine is anything other than a gimmick weapon. But you're right, we can certainly agree to disagree. Much in the same way I would agree to disagree with someone who thought the world was flat.
You are correct that SR are not only for Infiltrators, however the weapon group as a whole tends to fit a certain layout. Other than 3 outliers, all of the multi shot sniper rifles typically have 3 shots per 'clip' as a standard. It would hardly be fair for the Krysae to have more than this and still do non-hybrid sniper rifle damage. At best I could see bumping the clip size to match the Viper at 5, but that is a stretch. The AR's typically have larger 'clips' and thus are non-comparable to sniper rifles unless you count the hybrid snipers.
The funny thing is that while I am reasonable and offer hard examples in my posts, your posts are charged with anger and you typically have at least one snide thing to say. I understand that you have no real ground to stand on when it comes to the wild claims you continue to make, but keep it civil at least, will you?
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#462
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 03:00
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Derek, is SMG ULM planned to be fixed with the next patch also?
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 03:16
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This is a reminder that the regular Site Rules still apply in this discussion. Insulting others, name-calling, and general nastiness against those who disagree with you or who may play differently than you is not permitted. At least one user who has made inappropriate comments has been banned,so please be civil and constructive in your arguments, whether you agree with the balance changes or not.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 03:58
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Krysae....Ouch. Now it's time to buff some sniper rifles please.
Single shot need more damage and faster reload.
Incisor needs a serious recoil reduction to be practical....seriously.
Kishock should be much more damaging (or heavy bleed DoT) since it's a pain to charge and hit your target. Also more stagger.
Raptor needs more damage if you're going to get me to constantly squeeze the trigger. I would take a smaller clip if it meant actually killing something in a reasonable amount of time.
Single shot need more damage and faster reload.
Incisor needs a serious recoil reduction to be practical....seriously.
Kishock should be much more damaging (or heavy bleed DoT) since it's a pain to charge and hit your target. Also more stagger.
Raptor needs more damage if you're going to get me to constantly squeeze the trigger. I would take a smaller clip if it meant actually killing something in a reasonable amount of time.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:04
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Tried the Krysae earlier today(albeit on Silver). Noticed the damage drop, didn't mind me too much. Noticed the recoil increase, slightly irritated, but it worked. I was running to the ammo box more. That RoF drop? Yeah......no. Why nerf stuff, really? The people who get bored of the game because "it gets too easy." are gonna be bored of the game regardless. The people whining that it is OP are the people who keep getting mad when they aren't top of the scoreboard. Co-op game, yet people have to find a way to apply CoD style thinking. -sigh-
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:05
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i bet the zoom was increased to stop the double tap under 1 cloak, the gun is done and no SR can hold its mass in platinum, unless you want to gimp your entire team. Its full on Shotty Infiltrators in plat with reegers and piranhas
#467
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:11
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well the krysae certainly got nerfed to pieces
#468
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:47
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Hmm...
Krysae nerf, never really use it, so makes no difference to me.
Typhoon nerf, just use AP mod.
Cobra change. awesome! As of now all the console players are rejoicing that they can play Gold or Platinum w/o someone using the missle glitch!
Krysae nerf, never really use it, so makes no difference to me.
Typhoon nerf, just use AP mod.
Cobra change. awesome! As of now all the console players are rejoicing that they can play Gold or Platinum w/o someone using the missle glitch!
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:52
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Can the infiltrators get put back to square zero now?
#470
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 06:20
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Stomping was needed (silly that dropping was more dangerous on Silver or Bronze)
Fixing Packs is always good.
No more missile charging is the bomb.
1m Typhoon pen was silly (that's the same as the Javelin)
Kyrase needed a bit more nerfing, but damage and fire rate at the same time? The other nerfs for it are interesting, but a double whammy on DPS sounds like a little much. We will see in the future.
Fixing Packs is always good.
No more missile charging is the bomb.
1m Typhoon pen was silly (that's the same as the Javelin)
Kyrase needed a bit more nerfing, but damage and fire rate at the same time? The other nerfs for it are interesting, but a double whammy on DPS sounds like a little much. We will see in the future.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 06:33
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The way Krysae nerf was handled is stupid imho
The damage had to be kept as it was
Ok the nerf on the max amunt of ammo
It needed recoil but not that much
Same fire rate but 2 shots per clip and longer reload times
Someone would have not been happy anyway but it would have been a nerf, this one was a massacre of a weapon
Cobra lack of charge costed me a missile, but that's ok, I finished the Platinum run anyway with 3 spare missiles
This would have been a good nerf
The damage had to be kept as it was
Ok the nerf on the max amunt of ammo
It needed recoil but not that much
Same fire rate but 2 shots per clip and longer reload times
Someone would have not been happy anyway but it would have been a nerf, this one was a massacre of a weapon
Cobra lack of charge costed me a missile, but that's ok, I finished the Platinum run anyway with 3 spare missiles
This would have been a good nerf
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 08:02
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Thanks for adding the Krysae to my already large collection of useless weapons.
If all you wanted to do was increase the pool of useless weapons to make players play even more to get decent weapons then you succeeded, bravo--mission accomplished.
Now looking forward to the day you add the Typhoon and the Piranha to that collection.
If all you wanted to do was increase the pool of useless weapons to make players play even more to get decent weapons then you succeeded, bravo--mission accomplished.
Now looking forward to the day you add the Typhoon and the Piranha to that collection.
#473
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 08:10
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Pretty satisfied with the changes as mentioned above. Krysae might have been excessive, but then again I haven't used it in a long time since it was so OP before.
#474
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 08:15
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worst balance change ive ever seen only 1 good thing ive pretty much lost faith...
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 08:29
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Woah, krysae nerf again? Ouch. I don't even use it but ouch.
Yeah, it's the second Krysae nerf! Apparently one nerf wasn't enough for all the "overpowered" cry-babies.
And this time they nerfed the crap out of the weapon. I mean:
Krysae Sniper Rifle
- Damage decreased from [476.0-595.0] to [429.0-548.0]
- Rate of fire decreased from [50] to [35]
- Recoil Increased from [5.0] to [10.0]
- Zoom Recoil Increased from [3.0] to [5.0]
- Total ammo dropped from [9-21] to [9-18]
Really? While you're at it, why not increase the encumbrance and take away the carnage effect, to make absolutely sure that nobody will ever touch the weapon again?
I really liked the weapon on my vorcha. I tried it yesterday after the balance changes were out. Mainly because of the decreased rate of fire, you are now quite helpless against some enemies.
Thanks for ruining a fine (and already nerfed) weapon, Bioware!
How about fixing some real problems like the Vanguard glitch???
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