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July 24, 2012 Balance Changes


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#201
chielhier313

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BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

Yay, more nerfs.

Now time to nerf the new classes. The Destroyer and the others are way OP.




Uh no each n7 class works the way they are suppose to perform I don't think any of them need nerfing O_O


Yes, the new classes work, in fact they work too well. The new classes are OP (except for the Paladin).
I think that they need to nerf them.
They also need to nerf the Reegar Carbine & N7 Piranah in the next update.


Shut up


Come on. Be polite now. You know as well as I do that Bioware knows that they need to nerf these new classes.
No need to be rude. I am just stating the obvious.


Again, Shut up.  They don't need a nerf
BTW, you just look like a troll when you don't even give a reason for needing a nerf other than your own worthless opinion


Please remain polite. This is a forum and we all have the right to free speech.
I think that these new classes should be nerfed because they make Platinum, Gold... way too easy.

Why don`t you try platinum with a level 1 character? Should be a challenge for the eletist you clearly are

Modifié par chielhier313, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:05 .


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The only reason people used the missle giltch is to get money for descent weapons. 2/3 of the weapons ( 49 weapons with 10 upgrades each is to many anyway) and charcters in game are crap and you only get 1 descent thing out of a spectre pack. I have spent over 10 billion credits and still dont have the black widow

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ntrisley wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

What was wrong with the typhoon can someone please explain O_O?

It had the same inherent penetration distance as the Javelin.

With the rate of fire of a Hurricane on performance enhancing narcotics.

The inherent penetration distance was reduced. That's it.


I had a question about this before.  The PC guys looked up the damage reduction factor in the PC files.  What is the difference in that factor for the Widow, BW, Javelin, and the Typhoon.   They never mentioned AP in the in-game description of the weapon.

Before, it was explained to me, that the AP mod would not stack with the built-in penetration, so don't do that.  Now is it required, or is the penetration good enough to penetrate armor( not walls, etc. )?

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Poor changes beyond the missile fix. Just making gameplay more tedious.

Modifié par tfoltz, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:05 .


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born2beagator wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

Yay, more nerfs.

Now time to nerf the new classes. The Destroyer and the others are way OP.




Uh no each n7 class works the way they are suppose to perform I don't think any of them need nerfing O_O


Yes, the new classes work, in fact they work too well. The new classes are OP (except for the Paladin).
I think that they need to nerf them.
They also need to nerf the Reegar Carbine & N7 Piranah in the next update.


Shut up


Come on. Be polite now. You know as well as I do that Bioware knows that they need to nerf these new classes.
No need to be rude. I am just stating the obvious.


Again, Shut up.  They don't need a nerf
BTW, you just look like a troll when you don't even give a reason for needing a nerf other than your own worthless opinion


Please remain polite. This is a forum and we all have the right to free speech.
I think that these new classes should be nerfed because they make Platinum, Gold... way too easy.


The other guy had a point.  You don't give any reasons other than your opinion, and as such, you look like a troll, why would he think otherwise.  And since the new classes were not "balanced" this time, the burden of providing a reason for a nerf is on you.:)


Exactly.  I normally am polite on these boards, but when someone like this comes along crying for nerfs with only the reason that "it makes platinum and gold too easy" I am going to get snippy with them

I also like how s/he ignored my reply where I pointed out why the new classes weren't OP. I seriously think s/he's a troll, I just get that vibe from them "please remain polite".

#206
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Ooh. Balance changes for a bazooka two content patches old?

This is hopeful.

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good, i love hte typhoon and would cry if they crushed it.

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Descy_ wrote...

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

Krysae is now officially useless. Falcon 2.0.


Falcon useless? ha.


^^ Falcon on a Destroyer is *amazing* outside Platinum now. Try it w/ devastator mode on and an ammo power and some frags thrown in.. its quite good.


About the rest:

Very glad for the cobra changes. Grats, legit console players 8)

Krysae is an aoe weapon; it makes sense to balance its dps to be more in line w/ other aoe weapons like the Falcon, Striker, and Scorp. That said, it would be ncie if SRs in general were buffed, esp for non-infiltrators.

Its nice they rolled the character card buff in for the people that did like the option of promoting w/o having to spam recruit packs. Hopefully all sides are good w/ now.

It sounds like the Typhoon had some unintentionally high AP, or I'm not sure why they'd chage it this early like they did. If it was unintended, then this is mroe of a 'fix' than a 'nerf', but I bet the gun still rocks anyways (not that I can say for myself, not unlocking it yet).

Gold executes are going to be brutal for pugs; platinum won't matter as much due to lower #s of troopers (though atlases can too). I dun really like this change, cause some executions in silver happen unreasonably fast, and it'll burn even more medigels. But it at least puts more emphasis on teamwork and drives away players from gold that prob shouldn't be there.

BW is an elitist company- not hesitating to make the game harder or enabling fake/cheap difficulty to keep their playerbase 'challenged'. Quite opposite of Blizzard and their new wave of touchy feely 'everyone should see even the hardest stuff in a game' / 'everything should be as balanced/fair as we can make it' philosophy. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but it is amusing comparing the vast differences between the 2 large companies from a gamer's PoV.

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:12 .


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Beerfish wrote...

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Not a fan of the stomp execution at all...bad idea but glad the missile cheating is officially dead now


Why?  Having that in the game at all was always foolish to the extreme.


Fixed

#210
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upinya slayin wrote...

krysea was OP anyway. i can care less. don't use it. it'll still destroy on lower levels. I woulda liked to see the Tac cloack get buffed now that the krysea is weaker and a buff to all non krysea sniper rifles


Wouldn't they rather buff the SR's(barring the krysae) instead of buffing TC making it a lot more usable on other classes as well? If they buff cloak dmg then the krysae will be back to where it is before todays nerf (not saying that this nerf was necessary..infact it was a bit too much).

#211
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Sometimes I am sad I started playing this game late, and haven't been farming. I never get to play with the new cool stuff. I end up having to play with the cellotaped ones, with the gimpy wheels, because someone "fixed" them before I got to try them...

Naw, not really. I don't really mind if I don't get to test OP stuff before it isn't OP anymore. I'd probably botch it anyway. :P

Thanks for the missile glitch fix. Right now I have an urge to go PUG some Platinum (even though I am not really good enough for it) just to see failing glitchers.

#212
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Ultra Rare weapons need buffs not stupid nerfs.

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Really? Superpowered guns like the Typhoon and the Piranha make it into the game (one of them got buffed, btw) and the Krysae gets nerfed into oblivion?!? How has that got anything to do with "balance"?!? The krysae isn't even such a good gun anymore, now we don't even have any good sniper rifle!!!


Completly different things...
Piranha you need to stay in very close quarters to be able to kill, like Reegar.
Krysae on the other hand, you can stay outside of the map blowing up all things.

#214
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I've just tested the GI/Krysae on PuG Gold - the RoF nerf is the only thing that hurts but it's by no means the end of the gun; treat it a bit like a Sniper's Falcon (e.g. use it to paste enemies with cryo / disruptor ammo) and it's still a very good gun on a damage/sniper specced infiltrator especially with proxy specced for debuff.

You won't chew through Atlases anywhere near as fast a Turian Soldier or Destroyer with a Piranha but Phantoms will still be well and truly splattered still - as will just about any infantry unit.

All in all, using the GI/Krysae no longer feels like "cheat mode" and I will probably get outscored now if I'm with decent players (something which has never happened before).

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FlowCytometry wrote...

...But it at least puts more emphasis on teamwork and drives away players from gold that prob shouldn't be there....


Bad gold/platinum players will continue to play hoping to get carried while not using medigels or any other consumables.

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I suppose I will reserve judgement on the Krysea. I haven't used it all that much recently so whatever.

Typhoon... don't care that cover penetration distance is reduced. Why should it have matched the Javelin in that department anyway?

Missile changes are good, even if I have never seen a missile glitcher ever (PC). At least it will be easier to fire the rockets.

Stomping will make Gold a bit tougher for some, but on Platinum there is a lack of stomping units anyway.

Oh and they didn't touch the most ridiculous combination in the game now, so I can still play that and feel way overpowered ;)

Disappointed that the Destroyer Missile Launcher didn't get some sort of change to make it actually worth investing in.

Still waiting on more sniper rifle buffs (for the ones you have to aim) and more rapid fire weapon buffs.

Modifié par capn233, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:13 .


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AbhijitSM wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

krysea was OP anyway. i can care less. don't use it. it'll still destroy on lower levels. I woulda liked to see the Tac cloack get buffed now that the krysea is weaker and a buff to all non krysea sniper rifles


Wouldn't they rather buff the SR's(barring the krysae) instead of buffing TC making it a lot more usable on other classes as well? If they buff cloak dmg then the krysae will be back to where it is before todays nerf (not saying that this nerf was necessary..infact it was a bit too much).


They pretty much need to buff ALL of the SRs (excluding Krysae).  Especially the Incisor.

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Next week:

Give us back TC Rank 6: 40% Sniper Damage and buff all the snipers by 15%. Krysae is now officially a weapon that sucks and give SR a meaning in Gold and Platinum.

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I don't want to play this game anymore.

Nerfs are such a lame concept in a co-op game and so is that damn stomp function seeing as they almost always immediately go for it.

Although fixing the rocket glitch is a step in the right direction.  The rest of this on the other hand is completely worthless.

Modifié par Big Ben6898, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:17 .


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Lambda_00 wrote...

They pretty much need to buff ALL of the SRs (excluding Krysae).  Especially the Incisor.


I've always felt they needed to buff the SRs. Srs are supposed to be one shot one kill. None of them are, even with TC's damage boost.

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This game is better and better every week. Good job.

Thank godI have a reason to use the ultra rare Black Widow again.

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Aww bummer, why do they always 'fix' the things that work just fine? Oh yea cause whiney babies complain that others are beating them so they have to lower the playing field. Oh well I still love my Kysae, guess I'll love it a bit less now or learn to use it even more effectively.

Glad they 'fixed' the missile glitch cause that was a pain in the arse!! However, is it going to cause us issues using the missiles at all now? Rate of fire decreased. Will this be problematic?

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JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

Yay, more nerfs.

Now time to nerf the new classes. The Destroyer and the others are way OP.




Uh no each n7 class works the way they are suppose to perform I don't think any of them need nerfing O_O


Yes, the new classes work, in fact they work too well. The new classes are OP (except for the Paladin).
I think that they need to nerf them.
They also need to nerf the Reegar Carbine & N7 Piranah in the next update.


Shut up


Come on. Be polite now. You know as well as I do that Bioware knows that they need to nerf these new classes.
No need to be rude. I am just stating the obvious.


Again, Shut up.  They don't need a nerf
BTW, you just look like a troll when you don't even give a reason for needing a nerf other than your own worthless opinion


Please remain polite. This is a forum and we all have the right to free speech.
I think that these new classes should be nerfed because they make Platinum, Gold... way too easy.


The other guy had a point.  You don't give any reasons other than your opinion, and as such, you look like a troll, why would he think otherwise.  And since the new classes were not "balanced" this time, the burden of providing a reason for a nerf is on you.:)


Exactly.  I normally am polite on these boards, but when someone like this comes along crying for nerfs with only the reason that "it makes platinum and gold too easy" I am going to get snippy with them

I also like how s/he ignored my reply where I pointed out why the new classes weren't OP. I seriously think s/he's a troll, I just get that vibe from them "please remain polite".


It's a troll. An obvious one at that.

On topic: All the changes are fine, but I am not very comfortable with the AP nerf on the Typhoon. Guess we'll have to see what comes of it.

Modifié par Kyerea, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:19 .


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The krysae has been over nerfed. I don't use it, but I tried it two weeks ago, and it was no longer any good. This new nerf has made it terrible. Some people aren't that good, and if they're playing with me, I don't mind if their guns are overly good.

You console gamers are out of control with your nerf/buff whinning.

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Does anyone know if the missile glitch fix is legit? So happy if it's true. Can go back to pugging Platinum again.

Don't really care about the Krysae nerf as I rarely use it.