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[Taboo]

My reunion was pretty ****ing epic.

[Wayning_Star]

actually, I liked the series, all three. Sure things could be better, but that's war..lol I'm looking forward to updates and probable DLC's (make that hopeful) I don't play the online stuff and loath to buy into virtual items, so the single player games is all I 'strive' to obtain. So I put the played out games away and wait for something newer, if any, to upgrade the experience. Some of the complaining about the series and so forth has become a specific http://encyclopedia....ational theatre, instead of standard fan suggested improvment.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

comrade gando wrote...

Bioware's big flaw in the ending (minus the sheer insanity of it all) is that they dont EXPLAIN. Starkid in the crucible, ok explain why. Explain why he looks like the kid on earth, and why shepard had nightmares of him all game. Explain HOW these options work the way they do, you cant just jump into a beam, absorb your 'essence' and turn everybody in to robots, there has to be a reason it does all that.

You guys can get away with a lot if you simply explained all this craziness instead of it... 'just happens', no rhyme or reason it just happens. Turtles swim on water, not stand on other turtles below it. And thats what ME3's ending is: turtles all the way down.

True, especially if you (like me) are one of the people who read every single piece of codex to immerse yourself into a complex backstory that didn't really matter in the end.

[Iakus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

My reunion was pretty ****ing epic.

yes, yes, you have this awesomely creative brain and can make up a big, intricate, epilogue all by your lonesome.

Not all of us are like that.  Bioware expects me to write the last chapter for them, and I'm no frakking good at fanfiction.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

chuckles471 wrote...

Your entitled.

You need everything spoon feed.

You are not smart enough.

You don't understand how fiction works.

Movies do this all the time.

Just move on.

Bioware doesn't make games just for you.

You are the reason that art is being dumbed down.

Use you imagination.

Whine some more.

Stop complaining they gave you the EC.

These are some of the things you will read in this topic. Just save you some time.

Oh, I knew what I was getting myself into when I posted this, don't worry.  I just had to vent, even if I knew it would come back and bite me. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

[3DandBeyond]

I don't understand people. Someone says they want something that in real life everyone wants. Unless you really hate people totally then don't most people want life and love and some happiness? That's what people want a clear path to in this GAME. A game is supposed to be fun and we do all view that somewhat differently, but if you have some cynical need to see something depressing and demented, hey, you got that. And if you couldn't care less for anything happy well you have that too.

But people that say they need to see Shepard alive, well you can't argue with that-that's how they and I feel. You feel and need different things. They promised closure and we do want that. We fully understand that they don't see promises as things that matter. I happen to believe they do. This company has lost any moral compass they may have had.

They are fine with you shooting a kid, even if it is a VI of a kid, choosing genocide, molestation, or godhood control of serial killing machines that have eaten people.

They are fine with making the only way you can save one friend (Mordin) happen if you kill another (Wrex).

So, I don't expect them to do anything "nice" or "kind" of "good". Love, happiness, and life used to be good things, but now they are the subject of open ridicule by others here and they are not included in a game that created love interests, always let the hero come out truly alive, and had you help the hero secure the life and happiness of others in the galaxy.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

The Twilight God wrote...

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

In a previous topic I said that I don't mind the ending that much. After a few days of actual extreme sadness, I realized I do mind. Yes, I've created a very nice ending in my mind, but it's just not enough. I have to actually see Shepard reunited with Kaidan and all of her friends. Screw the artistry of it all. They all deserve a better ending, WE all deserve a better ending. Before going into the final battle, Kaidan told Shepard "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." And he did fight. And so did she. So they should get to hold each other again, ON SCREEN. We deserve a lot better than pictures in our heads after investing so much emotion into this story. Am I right?

Of course it won't cut it. It's not real. Headcanon isn't canon. It's mesningless. Nobody's Shepards ever reunited with the Normandy crew. If headcanon wasn't meaningless there would be no point in any of the games. Developers would just give us some background info, set the stage and I'd just make it all up in my head and be satisfied. But we all know that bullsh*t.



Where would different movies end if they got the mass effect treatment?

What if Harry Potter ended after the kid killed the big snake. It cuts back to Harry and Voldemort dueling and then fades to black. The End.

What if the original Star Wars trilogy ended with Luke dragging his father thru a death star that is blowing up around them. Cut to Millenium Falcon flying thru of the core with the fireball's flames showing in the cockpit display as if about to over take it. Fade to black. The End.

What if Lord of the Rings ended with a scene showing Frodo and Sam surrounded by a river of lava. The End.

What is the Matrix ended with Smitherized Neo exploding. Cut to credits. The End.

Art, huh?

Yeah, I guess it's easy to just slam an ART label and be done with it...

[MisterJB]

Some of us only got a generic slide so, I do think you protest too much.

[Fiannawolf]

Nothing I dream up in my head and put to paper will ever completely satisfy me ala DA Origins fan fic. Cause I earned my golden ending in that series with my Cousland.

All my Kai and Liara romance Shepards have is thier loved one looking at the place card and not putting it up and my little teaser breath thing.....*sigh* I dont mind head canon stuff with a complete game....

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I don't understand people. Someone says they want something that in real life everyone wants. Unless you really hate people totally then don't most people want life and love and some happiness? That's what people want a clear path to in this GAME. A game is supposed to be fun and we do all view that somewhat differently, but if you have some cynical need to see something depressing and demented, hey, you got that. And if you couldn't care less for anything happy well you have that too.

But people that say they need to see Shepard alive, well you can't argue with that-that's how they and I feel. You feel and need different things. They promised closure and we do want that. We fully understand that they don't see promises as things that matter. I happen to believe they do. This company has lost any moral compass they may have had.

They are fine with you shooting a kid, even if it is a VI of a kid, choosing genocide, molestation, or godhood control of serial killing machines that have eaten people.

They are fine with making the only way you can save one friend (Mordin) happen if you kill another (Wrex).

So, I don't expect them to do anything "nice" or "kind" of "good". Love, happiness, and life used to be good things, but now they are the subject of open ridicule by others here and they are not included in a game that created love interests, always let the hero come out truly alive, and had you help the hero secure the life and happiness of others in the galaxy.

Absolutely. But I guess that for them "closure" meant adding a fourth option in which everyone dies. 

[TheHoneyRuns]

Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.

[Ozida]

TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.

Well, get over it and move on then.

[OchreJelly]

If I have to imagine how their games end, I guess Bioware will just have to imagine me paying EA money for their games. They can speculate, and imagine me paying them billions if they like. Isn't it just great and more wonderful than real money?

*Cough*

I'm ok with some mental finessing of niggling plot details, but not the end of my avatar's storyline (who, barring some contrived plot-twist is never going to be seen again in any story.)

Given how in most every single Bioware game yet they have had detailed explanations of post-story activities and status of most allies, I don't see why they went with such a sparse option.

*Rabblerabble*

[Atakuma]

3DandBeyond wrote...
But people that say they need to see Shepard alive, well you can't argue with that-that's how they and I feel. You feel and need different things. They promised closure and we do want that. We fully understand that they don't see promises as things that matter. I happen to believe they do. This company has lost any moral compass they may have had.

Point me to the quote where they said there would be a reunion. Closure means different things to different people, it was never going to work for everyone.

[TheHoneyRuns]

Ozida wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.

Well, get over it and move on then.

Totally!

The same could not possibly be said for a group of people that, were a third ending to be released, still maintain that there wasn't enough happiness in it for them and that it should be done again, only this time with these specific changes and with that specific apartment and in this particular position because that one always felt the best and, say, could she be wearing this, cause otherwise it tends to chafe and more dialogue and I want actual dialogue between voice actors so bring them back in and I want them to say this and no, that's not right, do it again, once more with feeling, NOW!

[3DandBeyond]

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I don't understand people. Someone says they want something that in real life everyone wants. Unless you really hate people totally then don't most people want life and love and some happiness? That's what people want a clear path to in this GAME. A game is supposed to be fun and we do all view that somewhat differently, but if you have some cynical need to see something depressing and demented, hey, you got that. And if you couldn't care less for anything happy well you have that too.

But people that say they need to see Shepard alive, well you can't argue with that-that's how they and I feel. You feel and need different things. They promised closure and we do want that. We fully understand that they don't see promises as things that matter. I happen to believe they do. This company has lost any moral compass they may have had.

They are fine with you shooting a kid, even if it is a VI of a kid, choosing genocide, molestation, or godhood control of serial killing machines that have eaten people.

They are fine with making the only way you can save one friend (Mordin) happen if you kill another (Wrex).

So, I don't expect them to do anything "nice" or "kind" of "good". Love, happiness, and life used to be good things, but now they are the subject of open ridicule by others here and they are not included in a game that created love interests, always let the hero come out truly alive, and had you help the hero secure the life and happiness of others in the galaxy.

Absolutely. But I guess that for them "closure" meant adding a fourth option in which everyone dies. 

Yes sorry omitted the suicide option achieved either by shooting the kid VI or refusing his options.  Uplifting and rewarding.

I can imagine a lot.  I played a game that always showed Shepard's fate and Shepard could always live.  Except there is no closure or decent context for a Shepard lives ending in ME3.  I know others don't need it and I don't care that they don't.  I do.  They have what they want.  If the roles were reversed, I would say they deserve to have what they were promised.  I have said this.  I don't personally need closure for an Ashley or Sam or Miranda or Jack or Kaidan LI relationship, but I think people shoud get that.  I think they totally messed up ME2 LIs with ME3, just as they did Ash and Kaidan with ME2.  I've always believed if people wanted a full on Shepard sacrifices all for the good of others ending, they should get that too-I still don't think they got that, I think they got demented.

Bioware one day needs to learn the value of making and keeping promises and what you say if you won't keep that promise.  I learned that when I first learned to talk. 

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

OchreJelly wrote...

If I have to imagine how their games end, I guess Bioware will just have to imagine me paying EA money for their games. They can speculate, and imagine me paying them billions if they like. Isn't it just great and more wonderful than real money?

*Cough*

I'm ok with some mental finessing of niggling plot details, but not the end of my avatar's storyline (who, barring some contrived plot-twist is never going to be seen again in any story.)

Given how in most every single Bioware game yet they have had detailed explanations of post-story activities and status of most allies, I don't see why they went with such a sparse option.

*Rabblerabble*

What annoys me the most is that they went through all the trouble of making an EC (presumably to show how much they care about their fans' need of closure) and all they achieved was a bigger mess. Why go through that at all?

[BatmanPWNS]

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.

People posting things about other people not amazing them never amazes me. Yeah, think about that post.

[TheHoneyRuns]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.

People posting things about other people not amazing them never amazes me. Yeah, think about that post.

LOL.

[Taboo]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.

People posting things about other people not amazing them never amazes me. Yeah, think about that post.

I look to liking if looking liking do.

[Conniving_Eagle]

They should have made Ashley a romance option for FemShep

[Atakuma]

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

OchreJelly wrote...

If I have to imagine how their games end, I guess Bioware will just have to imagine me paying EA money for their games. They can speculate, and imagine me paying them billions if they like. Isn't it just great and more wonderful than real money?

*Cough*

I'm ok with some mental finessing of niggling plot details, but not the end of my avatar's storyline (who, barring some contrived plot-twist is never going to be seen again in any story.)

Given how in most every single Bioware game yet they have had detailed explanations of post-story activities and status of most allies, I don't see why they went with such a sparse option.

*Rabblerabble*

What annoys me the most is that they went through all the trouble of making an EC (presumably to show how much they care about their fans' need of closure) and all they achieved was a bigger mess. Why go through that at all?

Plenty of people were satisfied by the EC, so it did it's job. They weren't going to please everyone nor did they try.

[TheHoneyRuns]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

They should have made Ashley a romance option for FemShep

Wait, what? Why? That doesn't exactly fit her character. She's straight, religious and super xenophobic.

What would the dialogue have been like between her and Femshep?

[3DandBeyond]

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

Ozida wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.

Well, get over it and move on then.

Totally!

The same could not possibly be said for a group of people that, were a third ending to be released, still maintain that there wasn't enough happiness in it for them and that it should be done again, only this time with these specific changes and with that specific apartment and in this particular position because that one always felt the best and, say, could she be wearing this, cause otherwise it tends to chafe and more dialogue and I want actual dialogue between voice actors so bring them back in and I want them to say this and no, that's not right, do it again, once more with feeling, NOW!

What?

There's a vast difference between wanting something that is sensible and shows that Shepard is alive and knows his/her teammates and LI are also alive and wanting apartments and homes and babies and rannoch and all.

The whole destroy choice is nonsense and even Bioware can't agree as to what it means.  "Shepard's alive and a reunion will clearly happen.  No, I never said that.  Shepard's dead.  No, this is a beacon of hope.  No Shepard's dead, that's a dying gasp.  It's ambiguous on purpose.  We didn't know people wanted a reunion." 

The kid explains what destroy means and it's totally contradictory.  And when it happens, it's total nonsense with no context.  Shepard was clearly in bad shape before it happened.  And we don't know where the torso is or what is left of Shepard.  If the LI is anyone other than Liara then the psychic connection makes no sense and for anyone who has the "wrong" LI their LI isn't going to come looking for the torso.  And it could take awhile for that torso to be found.  Shepard might be in really bad shape.  From what the kid says this could be a headless torso or it could be a full body.

Anyone that wanted to see Shepard alive at the end (you know all those who made faces for Shepard and had LIs) might want to rename any future Shepard to:

Fill in the Blanks Shepard
or
Torso Shepard
or
Make your own Ending Shepard


What most people thought they would see was one scene of a reunion, but after getting nothing they've started to speculate as to what could have been done even further, going back to things they imagined from the first torso ending, but a lot of people need to see one scene of Shepard alive where Shepard sees his/her friends are too.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:39 .

[ZLurps]

KIERONOO wrote...

 I'm sure mac Walters would find some way of screwing us over 

LI: Shepard... there's something I need to tell you.
Shep: What is it?
LI: I... I have a disease... we can't have children.
Shep: OMG, we need to visit doctor immediately, sure they can figure something out.
LI: Shepard, wait, there's... there's more...
Shep: What?
LI: It's infectious and you have it too
Shep: Huh...
LI: Doctors already gave me their opinion, you have only 3 weeks to live before Space Cancer will kill you. It's very slow, starting from you toes and fingers, very painful too.
Shep: Oh.. this is... well it's bad but how about you?
LI: They gave me a bit more time, I will live 4 weeks...
Shep: NOOOOO!
LI: But I didn't bought any Christmas presents for you... you know, there just isn't any point, because you are going to die for Space Cancer anyway.

....

Modifié par ZLurps, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:39 .