Atakuma wrote...
Plenty of people were satisfied by the EC, so it did it's job. They weren't going to please everyone nor did they try.
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Conniving_Eagle wrote...
They should have made Ashley a romance option for FemShep
Wait, what? Why? That doesn't exactly fit her character. She's straight, religious and super xenophobic.
What would the dialogue have been like between her and Femshep?
3DandBeyond wrote...
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Ozida wrote...
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.
Well, get over it and move on then.
Totally!
The same could not possibly be said for a group of people that, were a third ending to be released, still maintain that there wasn't enough happiness in it for them and that it should be done again, only this time with these specific changes and with that specific apartment and in this particular position because that one always felt the best and, say, could she be wearing this, cause otherwise it tends to chafe and more dialogue and I want actual dialogue between voice actors so bring them back in and I want them to say this and no, that's not right, do it again, once more with feeling, NOW!
What?
There's a vast difference between wanting something that is sensible and shows that Shepard is alive and knows his/her teammates and LI are also alive and wanting apartments and homes and babies and rannoch and all.
The whole destroy choice is nonsense and even Bioware can't agree as to what it means. "Shepard's alive and a reunion will clearly happen. No, I never said that. Shepard's dead. No, this is a beacon of hope. No Shepard's dead, that's a dying gasp. It's ambiguous on purpose. We didn't know people wanted a reunion."
The kid explains what destroy means and it's totally contradictory. And when it happens, it's total nonsense with no context. Shepard was clearly in bad shape before it happened. And we don't know where the torso is or what is left of Shepard. If the LI is anyone other than Liara then the psychic connection makes no sense and for anyone who has the "wrong" LI their LI isn't going to come looking for the torso. And it could take awhile for that torso to be found. Shepard might be in really bad shape. From what the kid says this could be a headless torso or it could be a full body.
Anyone that wanted to see Shepard alive at the end (you know all those who made faces for Shepard and had LIs) might want to rename any future Shepard to:
Fill in the Blanks Shepard
or
Torso Shepard
or
Make your own Ending Shepard
What most people thought they would see was one scene of a reunion, but after getting nothing they've started to speculate as to what could have been done even further, going back to things they imagined from the first torso ending, but a lot of people need to see one scene of Shepard alive where Shepard sees his/her friends are too.
Ahh, I am just teasing you, friend.TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Ozida wrote...
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.
Well, get over it and move on then.
Totally!
The same could not possibly be said for a group of people that, were a third ending to be released, still maintain that there wasn't enough happiness in it for them and that it should be done again, only this time with these specific changes and with that specific apartment and in this particular position because that one always felt the best and, say, could she be wearing this, cause otherwise it tends to chafe and more dialogue and I want actual dialogue between voice actors so bring them back in and I want them to say this and no, that's not right, do it again, once more with feeling, NOW!
Modifié par Ozida, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:47 .
Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Conniving_Eagle wrote...
They should have made Ashley a romance option for FemShep
Wait, what? Why? That doesn't exactly fit her character. She's straight, religious and super xenophobic.
What would the dialogue have been like between her and Femshep?
To be fair, Jack isn't exactly the most easy to talk to and/or lovable person either, but they made it work.
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
Plenty of people were satisfied by the EC, so it did it's job. They weren't going to please everyone nor did they try.
Yes! Exactly. That's all I've been saying. It was satisfying. It's not like I'm overjoyed with it, it wasn't the amazing experience of an ending that the first two were, but after the original ending, that's precisely what the new one is! Satisfying.
Jeepers.
Ozida wrote...
Ahh, I am just teasing you, friend.TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Ozida wrote...
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.
Well, get over it and move on then.
Totally!
The same could not possibly be said for a group of people that, were a third ending to be released, still maintain that there wasn't enough happiness in it for them and that it should be done again, only this time with these specific changes and with that specific apartment and in this particular position because that one always felt the best and, say, could she be wearing this, cause otherwise it tends to chafe and more dialogue and I want actual dialogue between voice actors so bring them back in and I want them to say this and no, that's not right, do it again, once more with feeling, NOW!
Because somehow everybody who wants a happy-ending seems to get the same reply: "Get over it. Move on". It's like a new memo or something! I want a happy ending, and I am not afraid to say that.
Yes, I suppose I should've figured that out, especially as I was on the recieving end of that so much when the original ending was all we had and I was most certainly not pleased with it. Fair enough, I withdraw my prickishness.
Ozida wrote...
Ahh, I am just teasing you, friend.TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Ozida wrote...
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me.
Well, get over it and move on then.
Totally!
The same could not possibly be said for a group of people that, were a third ending to be released, still maintain that there wasn't enough happiness in it for them and that it should be done again, only this time with these specific changes and with that specific apartment and in this particular position because that one always felt the best and, say, could she be wearing this, cause otherwise it tends to chafe and more dialogue and I want actual dialogue between voice actors so bring them back in and I want them to say this and no, that's not right, do it again, once more with feeling, NOW!
Because somehow everybody who wants a happy-ending seems to get the same reply: "Get over it. Move on". It's like a new memo or something! I want a happy ending, and I am not afraid to say that.
Atakuma wrote...
You pay bioware for a game, that's it. You don't need a reunion, you don't deserve one, you just want one.Bolt-Action wrote...
How dare you! You pay BW to use your imagination now use it!
Whiner, entitled gamer, get over it, move on blah blah freakin blah (did I miss any?)
Welcome to the "dark side". You are correct, there needs to be a home coming of sorts, something that makes you say "it just felt right"
Modifié par Bolt-Action, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:30 .
3DandBeyond wrote...
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
Plenty of people were satisfied by the EC, so it did it's job. They weren't going to please everyone nor did they try.
Yes! Exactly. That's all I've been saying. It was satisfying. It's not like I'm overjoyed with it, it wasn't the amazing experience of an ending that the first two were, but after the original ending, that's precisely what the new one is! Satisfying.
Jeepers.
To you. :innocent:
And of course that is all that matters. If others feel they got shafted, so what if I'm happy. The endings suck and the EC explains just how hard they suck and how good they are at sucking, so let's all celebrate in their suckiness because wow, it was free and why should we ever expect or try to make companies stand behind what they say?
This is sarcasm and I am not angry with you or trying to be too crappy, but I am trying to say that we do need to look carefully at things and consider the validity of what others are saying.
With the original endings and the complaints things should have been obvious. BW said a long time ago they saw how much people loved ME and Shepard on youtube. They also said they knew people would be sad with ME3 to say goodbye to Shepard. Fans created the face of their Shepard and complained when the face import didn't work. Shepard and his/her face mattered. And we were saying goodbye. Ever say goodbye to anyone? You look at them face to face and you don't want to look away, you say goodbye. People didn't get to do that - those that saw this as a story about characters and a love interest didn't get to do that.
The closure most wanted by people was a reunion. They didn't get even a small part of that. We see Shepard's fate everywhere else in all 3 games, but not here. People are expressing their opinions about that.
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:08 .
Sarcastic Tasha wrote...
I would have liked a reunion like the one in Dragon Age: Origins. Could have explained how long it took to get the mass relays up and running again and given Shep a chance to have a quick chat to her squaddies. But nothing too specific about what happens to Shep after, maybe give Shep a chance to say what she'd like to do (like how the warden in Origins could say she wanted to travel or stay in Denerim etc). Being too specific about what Shep does after the end could be annoying, for example I'd have been pissed off if the ending had forced blue babies on my Shep. My Shep doesn't want kids she wants to become an adventure archaeologist with Liara instead.
3DandBeyond wrote...
I didn't start any ME game in the hope that it would end depressingly with a no win capped off by the total destruction of my hero's values and morals.
I ended ME1 and saw Shepard rise up out of the rubble, thumb her nose at the council and declare she would fight the reapers. I ended ME2 and my Shepard got to look at every single one of her teammates because she determined to save them all and bring them home from that suicide mission. They looked back as friends and paid honor to my Shepard. Shepard thumbed her nose at TIM and reasserted her values and morals by leaving him high and dry.
ME3's ending treats Shepard like garbage.
3DandBeyond wrote...
ME3's ending treats Shepard like garbage.
Vox Draco wrote...
3DandBeyond wrote...
I didn't start any ME game in the hope that it would end depressingly with a no win capped off by the total destruction of my hero's values and morals.
I ended ME1 and saw Shepard rise up out of the rubble, thumb her nose at the council and declare she would fight the reapers. I ended ME2 and my Shepard got to look at every single one of her teammates because she determined to save them all and bring them home from that suicide mission. They looked back as friends and paid honor to my Shepard. Shepard thumbed her nose at TIM and reasserted her values and morals by leaving him high and dry.
ME3's ending treats Shepard like garbage.
So much this: When Shep came out of the rubblew in ME1 with that awesome grin on her face, that was the point MAss Effect won me completly over for good. And despite the rather lame overall story of ME2 and some characters rather dull that ending also made me feel like "Yes! I made it! Now bring on the real Reapers, get some!"
ME3 just leaves me...empty...
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Hmm... No, sorry. I see your point, I really do. But have you ever tried to say goodbye to someone and then a little boy walks into the room, tells you to shoot that person in the face and then blow up the universe in one of three different colors, and then you realize you're forced to do that with no hope whatsoever of any happy outcome at all, so you shoot that person and then commit mass genocide?
That sucked. They took that out. They alluded to reunion. Good enough. As long as I can say goodbye without killing everyone, and get to live without playing multiplayer, and get to groove with LI, good enough.
Modifié par chemiclord, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .
TheHoneyRuns wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
Plenty of people were satisfied by the EC, so it did it's job. They weren't going to please everyone nor did they try.
Yes! Exactly. That's all I've been saying. It was satisfying. It's not like I'm overjoyed with it, it wasn't the amazing experience of an ending that the first two were, but after the original ending, that's precisely what the new one is! Satisfying.
Jeepers.
chemiclord wrote...
Fans spent months outright enraged that Bioware created a "canon" Shepard, and made their personal headcanon irrelevant.
Now they are raging that Bioware refuses to make their personal headcanon irrelevant by making a "canon" ending with a reunion.
I swear, it's like the BSN motto is "Never Satisfied."
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Why do all you Reunioners hate anyone who picked Control or Synthesis?
I mean, really. It makes me feel bad.
Also, no. Not now. Not ever. Get over it.
Atakuma wrote...
Point me to the quote where they said there would be a reunion. Closure means different things to different people, it was never going to work for everyone.3DandBeyond wrote...
But people that say they need to see Shepard alive, well you can't argue with that-that's how they and I feel. You feel and need different things. They promised closure and we do want that. We fully understand that they don't see promises as things that matter. I happen to believe they do. This company has lost any moral compass they may have had.
Modifié par PuppiesOfDeath2, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:32 .
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