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[Krunjar]

AlanC9 wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...
For these guys, if the ending sucks and your Shep doesn't get to be with the 'hole they're getting it wet in' or the 'pole they're riding', in a cutscene 

Can we please not use these metaphors in this thread?

They where used to illustrate a point not for the sake of them. If you  don't get that then just ignore them don't go around trying to police what other people post.

[AlanC9]

I'm not trying to police anything. They're just kinda low-class for my tastes.

[Bolt-Action]

Krunjar wrote...

Or could we perhaps let bioware focus on more single player dlc? Love interests are all well and good but there is more to Mass Effect than what hole your shep decides to get his Bleep! wet in. Or what pole she decides to ride. If bioware was to satisfy all the butthurt fans who don't get full coverage in Me3 it would probably be 2050 before we get Retake Omega.

Its not about that for me, although i agree with your point on guys playing FemSheps, Its to odd for me, but thats just me. I also like to have a brew after work with my friends, so closure with the Normandy crew would have been cool to me if the L1 is included great! Here's my problem, I can't wait to see Retake Omega BUT Shep is dead, if people want to delude themselves into believing BW allowed Shep to live, fine, except he's dead, BW killed him off. So playing a game with a dead character is great if it's a zombie game, but this is not. You're going to say "retake omega happens before ME3" yeah, and Shep is still dead, picture this, you beat Retake Omega, and you say to yourself "yes, beat it and Shep is still dead or going to be dead soon, yes!" so I'm not interested, that's just me.

[TheHoneyRuns]

Krunjar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...
For these guys, if the ending sucks and your Shep doesn't get to be with the 'hole they're getting it wet in' or the 'pole they're riding', in a cutscene 

Can we please not use these metaphors in this thread?

They where used to illustrate a point not for the sake of them. If you  don't get that then just ignore them don't go around trying to police what other people post.

Yes, I was going to ignore that request, myself.

But more to the point, what about all of the other reasons people have listed on this thread? I mean, I get it, you're not a fan of the romance thing in the series. While I'm satisfied with the ending, I'm certainly not planning on playing it anymore, and it has nothing to do with the LI part. I know that my wierdo FemShep lives and that Liara finds her, so I'm groovy. But what reason could I possibly have to play the game again, or any DLC beyond the EC?

In this one aspect, I have to agree with the naysayers.

The Crucible will always lead to the Catalyst. The Catalyst will always by a cheap, ugly, hollow, emotionless ploy at high-minded fantasy in what has otherwise been three straight games of relatively hard sci-fi (disregarding "Help, I have a gaping wound in my chest!" "No problem, Bill, just smear this goop on your chest! All better! Unless it's a cutscene, then I'm sorry Bill, you're sh*t outta luck.").

That stupid blue bastard ruined the end. The writers directly responsible for its creation were lauded with 10's across the board by idiot critics worldwide and they wear that like a badge of honor. I may be satisfied with the ending because I feel that offing Joker's lovely and very friendly toaster girlfriend was an acceptable price to pay for my own Shep's happiness, but I have absolutely zero interest in going back through the game only to reach that nonsense.  ...I do hope Joker managed to get his ____ wet before I chose destroy, though. (I kid, I kid...)

EDIT- Name-called the ever-gracious staff. Edited it out.

Modifié par TheHoneyRuns, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:13 .

[Krunjar]

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm not trying to police anything. They're just kinda low-class for my tastes.

Yeah that's the POINT. I was illustrating by their use that the romance in ME is shallow and ultimateley immaterial. It's the mods job to say what can/can't be said on this board .. not yours.

@ TheHoneyRuns

Well for me at least knowing Shepard's journey ends with this game dousn't stop me from wanting to see more of the journey to get there in the slightest. But then again the last game in the series was always gonna have this problem. Even if the ending was epic and all the LI where perfect it STILL would not eliminate the fact that Shepards journey had reached it's end. And some people just lose interest at that point I guess.

Modifié par Krunjar, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:13 .

[RenegonSQ]

Shut up with the reunion crap. Not everybody wants a reunion. Deal with it, it's over.

[Bolt-Action]

RenegonSQ wrote...

Shut up with the reunion crap. Not everybody wants a reunion. Deal with it, it's over.

Isnt there another thread you can impart your wisdom upon, one where everyone thinks alike. If you're not interested in a good debate, the move on and "deal with it"

[TheHoneyRuns]

RenegonSQ wrote...

Shut up with the reunion crap. Not everybody wants a reunion. Deal with it, it's over.

...did you read any of the posts prior to writing this? Man I hope you didn't, because that would be priceless. Chuckles471 is like a prophet.

Also, I'd like to point out that this is what not respecting other people's opinions looks like. Otherwise known as trolling.

Modifié par TheHoneyRuns, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:21 .

[3DandBeyond]

Krunjar wrote...


I am not "missing the point" Look I may have come accross as crass. But frankly I am sick and fed up of having romance be a central plot in absolutley EVERYTHING. Mass effect is supposed to be about action and roleplaying. Romance plays a part in that but only a part. And not something that should be central to the plot. And honestly the romance in mass effect is about as weak plot wise as your average Harem Anime. Hell it was late in Me3 before any romances between squaddies that didn't involve Shepard even showed up. Constructing a credible and interesting romance is an art form into itself and frankly most of those in Me franchise fall short. And even those that don't aren't really all that special. If it wasn't for the fact that it catered to the "Explore strange new worlds meet exotic green (pr blue) women and F*ck em kink" It wouldn't even receive notice. 

Liara - ZOMG u like protheans too!?
Tali - Be my hero!
Jack - Someone was nice to me for a change!
Miranda - You like my ass? I like your ass too!
Garrus - Interspecies XXX Sure why not any holes a goal! (Sick little puppy)
Kaiden - Hello im the token LI for weirdos who play a femshep (Sarcasm before anyone goes mental) 
Thane - Let me close my eyes and pretent your my ex
Jacob - Do I really have to even try here?
Ash - Were both military! we have so much in common! Liek gunz an making thingz ded.

I know I missed a few but u get my drift.

So you've boiled down the whole discussion as to get to have sex or not.  That isn't even what anyone has said at all.  ME was not about action as the main focus and dear God if you can point me to just where the ending fits in all that idea of action and roleplaying then power to you.  The ending is about as action oriented as ice cold molasses poured from a jar and it involves so much role playing that my controller feels lonely as I watch it play out.  So please don't tell me that ME is action and and rpg.  It is meant to be an rpg with action, it stops being either at the end of ME3.

As for what people have been talking about, even their love interest is a mere part of everything, but when you do put a romance in a story, then you can GD well expect that people will care about it.  Likewise they will care about characters in a character driven story, especially the one they spend time creating a face for.  Or did you miss all the websites and the face editors out there that allow for a seemingly endless variety of personalization for the character that we have all been talking about?  The one name Shepard?  I said it before in another thread, there's a marine that posted on here that he had taken great pains to get Shep to look like him so he could be the hero.  Where is he at the end of the game?  Do you seriously not think BW knew exactly what closure fans might want along with some sadder endings, when they specifically and repeatedly asked for a Shepard lives scene too?

It boiled down to more than just a love interest but all characters that mattered.  This story could have been set against fighting rabid dogs for all that mattered.  The story was about the people, plain and simple.  In ME3's ending they forgot that and made it space fantasy bonanza.  They also completely forgot that Shepard mattered.  And I'm saying that when what I mean is that just as refuse was a big F U to fans so is Destroy and the torso scene.  There's no other reason for it.  And what most people wanted didn't mean Shepard got to run around using things as you so brilliantly put it.  We wanted one clear sensible scene where Shepard was alive.  The story was more about Shepard than the reapers even, and Shepard is treated like garbage.

Nice way to trivialize it all though but don't know how it hurts you if someone wants some type of happier ending. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .

[RenegonSQ]

Bolt-Action wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Shut up with the reunion crap. Not everybody wants a reunion. Deal with it, it's over.

Isnt there another thread you can impart your wisdom upon, one where everyone thinks alike. If you're not interested in a good debate, the move on and "deal with it"

There is no debate here. What is there to debate? "I want a reunion" is not a statement that can spark discussion or debate, it's merely wishful thinking at best.

A thread about why there wasn't a reunion, why the writers chose not to go that direction, what could have been done to steer the game in the direction of a reunion, and so on, are topics of debate and discussion. "A reunion in my head just won't cut it!" or "Am I right to want a reunion? I deserve a reunion as the player" is nothing of the sort. It's just whining

Modifié par RenegonSQ, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:21 .

[Krunjar]

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Shut up with the reunion crap. Not everybody wants a reunion. Deal with it, it's over.

...did you read any of the posts prior to writing this? Man I hope you didn't, because that would be priceless.

Also, I'd like to point out that this is what not respecting other people's opinions looks like. Otherwise known as trolling.

Agreed on that score. I might share the opinion but at least I take the god damn time to explain myself. The debate is to wether such a thing is appropriate, desirable, feasable. For me that answer is No but u still gotta respect the other sides position.

Modifié par Krunjar, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:22 .

[RenegonSQ]

I have explained my "trolling" if that's what you wanna classify it as. Read up^

[AlanC9]

Krunjar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm not trying to police anything. They're just kinda low-class for my tastes.

Yeah that's the POINT. I was illustrating by their use that the romance in ME is shallow and ultimateley immaterial. It's the mods job to say what can/can't be said on this board .. not yours.

Sure. All I can do is ask, not order

When someone asks you to not do something, are you always offended by the request?

[Krunjar]

AlanC9 wrote...

Krunjar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm not trying to police anything. They're just kinda low-class for my tastes.

Yeah that's the POINT. I was illustrating by their use that the romance in ME is shallow and ultimateley immaterial. It's the mods job to say what can/can't be said on this board .. not yours.

Sure. All I can do is ask, not order

When someone asks you to not do something, are you always offended by the request?

Yes I find the very idea of  your definition of "class" totalitarian and offensive. Life is dirty. And I won't hold myself above that. Like somehow if something dousn't conform to some fake definition of purity it becomes valueless. I could go on but I think you get my drift.

Modifié par Krunjar, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:25 .

[AlanC9]

My fault for making a polite request rather than contemptuous mockery. I should know better.

[Krunjar]

AlanC9 wrote...

My fault for making a polite request rather than contemptuous mockery. I should know better.

Etiquette does not change the intent of a statement. You where engaging in "contemptuous mockery" yourself.

Modifié par Krunjar, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:28 .

[3DandBeyond]

Krunjar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Sure. All I can do is ask, not order

When someone asks you to not do something, are you always offended by the request?

Yes I find the very idea of  your definition of "class" totalitarian and offensive. Life is dirty. And I won't hold myself above that.

Ok, so you are offended when someone suggests you act with decency and not use such truly offensive descriptions and imagery?  Wow.  You hold yourself above a decently worded suggestion but not above acting like crudeness counts.

Apparently the whole idea of a suggestion, a request, and a discussion is above where some people choose to sleep at night.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:30 .

[Shaleist]

RenegonSQ wrote...

I have explained my "trolling" if that's what you wanna classify it as. Read up^

Needs work. Too much defensiveness going on here.

[TheHoneyRuns]

RenegonSQ wrote...

I have explained my "trolling" if that's what you wanna classify it as. Read up^

Yes, the title in the thread is an emotion, not a question. The thread itself, however, has been a debate over the validity/possibility, what have you, over 'more' ending DLC, or even if that would matter because of the shi**iness that is the Catalyst Space Turd. There is plenty of debate, most of it well-reasoned and the vast majority of it being verbose in nature.

Regardless of whether or not you intended to troll, clicking on the link to a thread you so clearly, vehemently despise, writing a single insulting sentence without reading anything anyone had written and then waiting for the responses to pour in, in order to respond with more vile dislike, is the very essence of trollness. ...trollhood. Trollosity. Whatever. Trolling. You might as well have a signature that reads, "U Mad Bro?"

[Maggot4ever]

Explain to me how there would be a reunion. In two of the endings, you are space jelly, and in Destroy it shows you taking ONE breath, they left it ambiguous, they don't want you to know if you died or lived, they will not change that. You believe that your Shepard is alive, it does not mean that it is true. Then again, I don't think I could live falling back into orbit. And no I don't want to hear that we can fire up Project Lazarus, that was just an annoying addition to the second game.

Edit: Also, why should this one ending get a massive facelift? The reality is sometimes you don't get this amazing and great reuinion, and I don't even want to hear the whole, "Well this isn't real life, it doesn't have to be grim." You spared the galaxy of everyone dying. It isn't grim. It was a necessary death, you shouldn't need to see everyone holding hands skipping off into the sunset.

Modifié par Maggot4ever, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:37 .

[TheHoneyRuns]

...well, I take that back, now it seems to be more an issue of offensive vulgarities and the very bad people that use them. Darn.

[nhsknudsen]

A shown reunion won't cut it either, because then you will notice details you don't like etc.

Better stick to use your imagination.

[Krunjar]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Krunjar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Sure. All I can do is ask, not order

When someone asks you to not do something, are you always offended by the request?

Yes I find the very idea of  your definition of "class" totalitarian and offensive. Life is dirty. And I won't hold myself above that.

Ok, so you are offended when someone suggests you act with decency and not use such truly offensive descriptions and imagery?  Wow.  You hold yourself above a decently worded suggestion but not above acting like crudeness counts.

Apparently the whole idea of a suggestion, a request, and a discussion is above where some people choose to sleep at night.

Yeah one problem I'm not acting like crudeness counts. I make plenty of posts with no so called "indecency" in them whatsoever. However if i think it's appropriate then I will do it Within the boards rules. Go complain to a mod if you think im out of line because I have no more time for such prudes. You disgust me just as much as I disgust you.

@ The HoneyRuns

Yeah sorry I seem to be derailing this topic il leave so that it can get back on track. I believe I've made the point I originally wanted to make and explained it  well enough anyway.

Modifié par Krunjar, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .

[TheHoneyRuns]

Maggot4ever wrote...

Explain to me how there would be a reunion. In two of the endings, you are space jelly, and in Destroy it shows you taking ONE breath, they left it ambiguous, they don't want you to know if you died or lived, they will not change that. You believe that your Shepard is alive, it does mean that it is true. Then again, I don't think I could live falling back into orbit. And no I don't want to hear that we can fire up Project Lazarus, that was just an annoying addition to the second game.

You don't seem to want an answer to this question. The way you have worded suggests that your opinion of the Destroy ending is concrete in your mind that Shepard died. The writer's have admitted that this is not so, and that the player simply needs to imagine the rest as LI refuses to put their name on the wall and the ship takes off, then Shepard takes a breath. That, then, is what part of this thread is about. Extending that to show a reunion.

@ Krunjar

For what it's worth, sir, 'Very bad people' was said in jest.

Modifié par TheHoneyRuns, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:41 .