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[AresKeith]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

Your entitled.

You need everything spoon feed.

You are not smart enough.

You don't understand how fiction works.

Movies do this all the time.

Just move on.

Bioware doesn't make games just for you.

You are the reason that art is being dumbed down.

Use you imagination.

Whine some more.

Stop complaining they gave you the EC.

These are some of the things you will read in this topic. Just save you some time.

no we just want what we payed for
glad you liked the ending
most dont and some still dont so get ovr it

Exactly. We want what we were promised by Mr. Casey Hudson and Mr. Gamble during the pre-release hype. We didn't get it. We got shat on.

Well here's the bottom line. They give us what we want or we give them **** for DA3.

I guess some like false advertisment

[Ticonderoga117]

jetfire118 wrote...

First fans argue they wanted their ending...It was their story....Now they want BIO to tell their story for them....i dont get it anymore...>_< 

It's simple. BioWare lays the ground work, we pick the major decisions yeah?
Virmire Survivor
Councilor
Did you get your team loyal
Collector Base
Who did you romance

These are some of the flavor bits that make this "my story". It should feel different from someone elses who did different things. Udina over Anderson, save over destroy, etc.

BioWare pretty much said to hell with that with the ending. "Oh, you wanted a variety of endings like Fallout? Pffft, not artsy enough, three choices! The fourth one we don't talk about because it makes the most sense, so we'll make it broken."

This is BS. What is even more BS is that BioWare couldn't even show Shepard actually surviving if the conditions were right and he gets to brush the dust off, bro-fist Garrus, kiss Tali, tell Javik his entire race died because of a genocidal child AI, etc. This burns even more when BioWare is just like "Yeah? And? Make your own ending up."
Look, if you want me to make up my own ending, I would rather just imagine the entire game where my choices from the last two games actually mattered, the lore wasn't completely shafted so that you could push some BS philosphy lesson on me, and the entire plot didn't railroad the worst device in history, the Cruicible.

So, why did I pay $60+ for the collector's edition of this game again? It certainly isn't the multiplayer. HAHAHAHAHA

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The breath scene is six seconds long. Replace it w/ Six seconds of Shepard watching the sun rise with his/her LI would be a real nice end to the series. I could say "Bye, Shep." Or do you like the breath scene more than that?

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 25 juillet 2012 - 05:03 .

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The breath scene is six seconds long. Replace it w/ Six seconds of Shepard watching the sun rise with his/her LI would be a real nice end to the series. I could say "Bye, Shep." Or do you like the breath scene more than that?

Wouldn't even need that, just replace breath scene with an extended memorial scene:

As they hesitate to put Shep' name on the wall have some random voiceover go over the Intercomm "Fifth Fleet to Normandy:  Good news, we found Shepard!  He/She's alive and expected to make a full recovery (no LI)/ is eager to see ::blank:: (insert LI here)"

Cut to Normandy taking off.

Reunion imminent.

[3DandBeyond]

ld1449 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Maggot4ever wrote...

Explain to me how there would be a reunion. In two of the endings, you are space jelly, and in Destroy it shows you taking ONE breath, they left it ambiguous, they don't want you to know if you died or lived, they will not change that. You believe that your Shepard is alive, it does not mean that it is true. Then again, I don't think I could live falling back into orbit. And no I don't want to hear that we can fire up Project Lazarus, that was just an annoying addition to the second game.

Edit: Also, why should this one ending get a massive facelift? The reality is sometimes you don't get this amazing and great reuinion, and I don't even want to hear the whole, "Well this isn't real life, it doesn't have to be grim." You spared the galaxy of everyone dying. It isn't grim. It was a necessary death, you shouldn't need to see everyone holding hands skipping off into the sunset.

Then maybe Bioware should have provided more than one ending where Shepard can live, not be so deliberately vague about it, and thus not alienate so many players?  Bioware is seriously hemorraging goodwill.

::sigh:: Why does it always come down to "You just want rainbows and kittens?"  

Nothing's being asked for that wasn't provided in the first two games' endings.

Nothing is being asked that wasn't PROMISED in the build up of this game either.<_<

Yes, people now act like we got puppies and rainbows because the EC now explains what was god awful to begin with-more words and pictures doesn't make it better, it just makes it more obvious.  Casey Hudson said it in the EC release announcement-nothing was fundamentally changed from the original endings.  They never fufilled promises made for ME3 before the EC and didn't fulfill them after.  They've uh fibbed all over the place before, during, and after ME3's release and even since the EC's release.  This is a group of people whose word on anything means nothing.  And the way in which people defend them is astonishing.

I'm not saying anyone has to agree with me and hate the endings, but if you look over the things they've said about this game-what it wouldn't be at the end and what it would be then I can't see defending these practices.

What Bioware did in regard to this game could be a business college course on what not to do.

People have been requesting one happier ending to go with sadder endings ever since ME3 came out and BW knew that and ignored it for no good reason.  We get to see dead Shepards in all their glory with skin vaporizing and all, but one happy scene was too much to ask for. 

[AresKeith]

3DandBeyond wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Maggot4ever wrote...

Explain to me how there would be a reunion. In two of the endings, you are space jelly, and in Destroy it shows you taking ONE breath, they left it ambiguous, they don't want you to know if you died or lived, they will not change that. You believe that your Shepard is alive, it does not mean that it is true. Then again, I don't think I could live falling back into orbit. And no I don't want to hear that we can fire up Project Lazarus, that was just an annoying addition to the second game.

Edit: Also, why should this one ending get a massive facelift? The reality is sometimes you don't get this amazing and great reuinion, and I don't even want to hear the whole, "Well this isn't real life, it doesn't have to be grim." You spared the galaxy of everyone dying. It isn't grim. It was a necessary death, you shouldn't need to see everyone holding hands skipping off into the sunset.

Then maybe Bioware should have provided more than one ending where Shepard can live, not be so deliberately vague about it, and thus not alienate so many players?  Bioware is seriously hemorraging goodwill.

::sigh:: Why does it always come down to "You just want rainbows and kittens?"  

Nothing's being asked for that wasn't provided in the first two games' endings.

Nothing is being asked that wasn't PROMISED in the build up of this game either.<_<

Yes, people now act like we got puppies and rainbows because the EC now explains what was god awful to begin with-more words and pictures doesn't make it better, it just makes it more obvious.  Casey Hudson said it in the EC release announcement-nothing was fundamentally changed from the original endings.  They never fufilled promises made for ME3 before the EC and didn't fulfill them after.  They've uh fibbed all over the place before, during, and after ME3's release and even since the EC's release.  This is a group of people whose word on anything means nothing.  And the way in which people defend them is astonishing.

I'm not saying anyone has to agree with me and hate the endings, but if you look over the things they've said about this game-what it wouldn't be at the end and what it would be then I can't see defending these practices.

What Bioware did in regard to this game could be a business college course on what not to do.

People have been requesting one happier ending to go with sadder endings ever since ME3 came out and BW knew that and ignored it for no good reason.  We get to see dead Shepards in all their glory with skin vaporizing and all, but one happy scene was too much to ask for. 

well actually Bioware's version of a happy ending is their love child the Synthesis ending

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Krunjar wrote...


I am not "missing the point" Look I may have come accross as crass. But frankly I am sick and fed up of having romance be a central plot in absolutley EVERYTHING. Mass effect is supposed to be about action and roleplaying. Romance plays a part in that but only a part. And not something that should be central to the plot. And honestly the romance in mass effect is about as weak plot wise as your average Harem Anime. Hell it was late in Me3 before any romances between squaddies that didn't involve Shepard even showed up. Constructing a credible and interesting romance is an art form into itself and frankly most of those in Me franchise fall short. And even those that don't aren't really all that special. If it wasn't for the fact that it catered to the "Explore strange new worlds meet exotic green (pr blue) women and F*ck em kink" It wouldn't even receive notice. 

Liara - ZOMG u like protheans too!?
Tali - Be my hero!
Jack - Someone was nice to me for a change!
Miranda - You like my ass? I like your ass too!
Garrus - Interspecies XXX Sure why not any holes a goal! (Sick little puppy)
Kaiden - Hello im the token LI for weirdos who play a femshep (Sarcasm before anyone goes mental) 
Thane - Let me close my eyes and pretent your my ex
Jacob - Do I really have to even try here?
Ash - Were both military! we have so much in common! Liek gunz an making thingz ded.

I know I missed a few but u get my drift.

So you've boiled down the whole discussion as to get to have sex or not.  That isn't even what anyone has said at all.  ME was not about action as the main focus and dear God if you can point me to just where the ending fits in all that idea of action and roleplaying then power to you.  The ending is about as action oriented as ice cold molasses poured from a jar and it involves so much role playing that my controller feels lonely as I watch it play out.  So please don't tell me that ME is action and and rpg.  It is meant to be an rpg with action, it stops being either at the end of ME3.

As for what people have been talking about, even their love interest is a mere part of everything, but when you do put a romance in a story, then you can GD well expect that people will care about it.  Likewise they will care about characters in a character driven story, especially the one they spend time creating a face for.  Or did you miss all the websites and the face editors out there that allow for a seemingly endless variety of personalization for the character that we have all been talking about?  The one name Shepard?  I said it before in another thread, there's a marine that posted on here that he had taken great pains to get Shep to look like him so he could be the hero.  Where is he at the end of the game?  Do you seriously not think BW knew exactly what closure fans might want along with some sadder endings, when they specifically and repeatedly asked for a Shepard lives scene too?

It boiled down to more than just a love interest but all characters that mattered.  This story could have been set against fighting rabid dogs for all that mattered.  The story was about the people, plain and simple.  In ME3's ending they forgot that and made it space fantasy bonanza.  They also completely forgot that Shepard mattered.  And I'm saying that when what I mean is that just as refuse was a big F U to fans so is Destroy and the torso scene.  There's no other reason for it.  And what most people wanted didn't mean Shepard got to run around using things as you so brilliantly put it.  We wanted one clear sensible scene where Shepard was alive.  The story was more about Shepard than the reapers even, and Shepard is treated like garbage.

Nice way to trivialize it all though but don't know how it hurts you if someone wants some type of happier ending. 

Very well said. But I guess you can't expect too much from someone who played the game just for the shooting parts and who probably chose a love interest just so he could see them "do it" at some point in the game.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

RenegonSQ wrote...

Bolt-Action wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Shut up with the reunion crap. Not everybody wants a reunion. Deal with it, it's over.

Isnt there another thread you can impart your wisdom upon, one where everyone thinks alike. If you're not interested in a good debate, the move on and "deal with it"

There is no debate here. What is there to debate? "I want a reunion" is not a statement that can spark discussion or debate, it's merely wishful thinking at best.

A thread about why there wasn't a reunion, why the writers chose not to go that direction, what could have been done to steer the game in the direction of a reunion, and so on, are topics of debate and discussion. "A reunion in my head just won't cut it!" or "Am I right to want a reunion? I deserve a reunion as the player" is nothing of the sort. It's just whining

Well, it's an open forum, so it's my right to whine as much as I like. If you don't like it, move on, nobody's forcing this thread on you.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Are you high? Toaster and flashlight head destruction isn't sad. It's not funny either but who cares about them ? Destroy is a paradise compare to Synthesis.

...kind of. That's pretty cruel, though, no? I mean, I joke about offing EDI, and I really do believe it's worth it for Shepster to stay alive. It is a paradise next to the creepy awfulness of synthesis. All of that I agree with.

But I cared very much for EDI. She was a great character and she brought out the best in Joker, who, despite my long-standing manly adoration for his voice actor, was kind of a serious, annoying tool in the first game. Joker/EDI were awesome, I loved having her on the crew and she had some of the coolest conversations in the game. Back with the original endings, Synthesis was the only viable option for my Shepard, but with the EC, the sacrifice of EDI for Shepard's life and happiness was a price worth paying, if a heavy one.

...I just wanted to say, EDI is awesome.

Yep, she IS awesome. I hated her so much in the first part of ME2 that it took me completely by surprise how much I grew to love her after that. She was like a little kid trying to make sense of the world, constantly trying to become a better "person". That scene in Destroy when you see her face and are painfully reminded that you just killed her and a part of Joker too... it broke my heart.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

no end boss, no real side missions, using your imagination to end your trilogy. ME3 couldnt have been more of a letdown but the ending fiasco took the brunt of it. Looking back it's no wonder iv'e only done 1 playthrough and that's something i never thought would happen leading upto release.

ME3's ending killed my will to play any games. I cancelled my SWTOR sub cause I just can't get into it or anything else anymore. At least DA2 didn't leave me feeling like crap afterwards. I should have seen it coming when stupid Diana Allers has a face model and they couldn't bother to model Tali after Liz Sroka... but a useless nobody not-Wmily-Wong that I never even allowed on my ship gets a custom face.... I should have know then and there that the people making ME3 simply did not care and wanted to actively hurt us. Sadists!!!.

Thing is before any major release i stay away from spoilers, i dont watch vids or read up on stuff as i want total immersion, and none so more than my anticipation and excitement for ME3, not once in my lifetime of playing videogames have i felt so letdown or angry at what i played. I was dissapointed with the game overall let alone the ending......hence why only did 1 playthrough, which in itself speaks volumes of how i see ME3. We wasn't our shepard and it proved it as they didnt even let us import it!!!! 

I'm exactly like you. I didn't watch or read any spoilers, even though I got my game pretty late because of money issues. I like to live the experience as genuinely as possible. Only once, by mistake, when ordering the game off Amazon, did my eyes lock on a comment that said the ending was awful. But I erased that from my mind and decided to make my own decision. I liked the game overall, but everything I enjoyed during it faded once the ending came... I don't care what haters say, we were betrayed.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

iakus wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The reunion in my head will always be better than the one Bioware can come up with.

I'm glad Mac Walters is not there.

Maybe, but I dont think we need to see much.

For example, a simple 5 second scene of Shep with the crew or the LI is all that's needed. We could all then speculate on what happens after that. That could be left for the player to decide.

Would be so much better than what we have now.

Yup

ME1 ending:  sad-looking squadmates see Shepard climb out of the rubble, limping, but alive and smiling.  Closure

ME2 ending:  Shepard walks past  surviving crew, who nod respectfully.  Closure.

ME3 ending:   Shepard is buried in rubble with no aid in sight.  Takes one breath.  Not closure.

You've just summarized what all of us "whiners" are talking about. Shepard was built as a hero from the very beginning. The kind of hero in the kind of story that ends in victory. That's why we became so invested, that's why we gave them our money, that's why we couldn't wait to get back to the game. They screwed up, I don't care what others say.

[Little Princess Peach]

people like me who arent very good with headcannoning don't stand a chance with the ending, on that note maybe they will add a reunion to me3 when the last dlc comes out

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

jetfire118 wrote...

First fans argue they wanted their ending...It was their story....Now they want BIO to tell their story for them....i dont get it anymore...>_< 

It's simple. BioWare lays the ground work, we pick the major decisions yeah?
Virmire Survivor
Councilor
Did you get your team loyal
Collector Base
Who did you romance

These are some of the flavor bits that make this "my story". It should feel different from someone elses who did different things. Udina over Anderson, save over destroy, etc.

BioWare pretty much said to hell with that with the ending. "Oh, you wanted a variety of endings like Fallout? Pffft, not artsy enough, three choices! The fourth one we don't talk about because it makes the most sense, so we'll make it broken."

This is BS. What is even more BS is that BioWare couldn't even show Shepard actually surviving if the conditions were right and he gets to brush the dust off, bro-fist Garrus, kiss Tali, tell Javik his entire race died because of a genocidal child AI, etc. This burns even more when BioWare is just like "Yeah? And? Make your own ending up."
Look, if you want me to make up my own ending, I would rather just imagine the entire game where my choices from the last two games actually mattered, the lore wasn't completely shafted so that you could push some BS philosphy lesson on me, and the entire plot didn't railroad the worst device in history, the Cruicible.

So, why did I pay $60+ for the collector's edition of this game again? It certainly isn't the multiplayer. HAHAHAHAHA

As someone said earlier on this thread: It's as if the ending was written by someone who never played the game and didn't know anything about the lore and consequences and such. I watched a TV Show once whose last season ended up being written by someone else. It felt very similar to ME3's ending. And I didn't care about it half as much as I care about ME.

[3DandBeyond]

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...


As someone said earlier on this thread: It's as if the ending was written by someone who never played the game and didn't know anything about the lore and consequences and such. I watched a TV Show once whose last season ended up being written by someone else. It felt very similar to ME3's ending. And I didn't care about it half as much as I care about ME.

I just want to share links to 2 videos that show just how hard it is to believe anything they say.  The writers constantly contradict their own story and themselves and these bear out that point.

The first is a video released in February where Mac Walters discusses ME3 pre-launch.  He says there will be no post-ME3 DLC because the galaxy is a wasteland and it would be pointless.

The second is the EC "interview" with Casey Hudson and Mac Walters discussing content for the EC release.  In this they say they didn't intend for people to think the galaxy was messed up "it wasn't our message, it wasn't our intent as to how the Mass Effect universe would end."

I have a very difficult time putting both of these ideas together and making them make sense.

In both videos, the relevant parts start at about 1:25 or just before.

http://www.youtube.c...m3Vnt5zxI#t=77s

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 25 juillet 2012 - 01:27 .

[Marauder Shieldz]

Main thing i missed in the ending was a reunion. I was really looking forward to it, maybe it would have made the ending a lot better than it is. 

Wouldn't have been hard to show a cinematic, even a freakin picture, showing Shepard and Tali on Rannoch or Liara and Shepard with their blue babies. 

A bit of ****in happiness Bioware, would be nice.

Modifié par Marauder Shieldz, 25 juillet 2012 - 01:25 .

[BDelacroix]

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

In a previous topic I said that I don't mind the ending that much. After a few days of actual extreme sadness, I realized I do mind. Yes, I've created a very nice ending in my mind, but it's just not enough. I have to actually see Shepard reunited with Kaidan and all of her friends. Screw the artistry of it all. They all deserve a better ending, WE all deserve a better ending. Before going into the final battle, Kaidan told Shepard "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." And he did fight. And so did she. So they should get to hold each other again, ON SCREEN. We deserve a lot better than pictures in our heads after investing so much emotion into this story. Am I right?

Unfortunately I believe that is all you are going to get.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...


As someone said earlier on this thread: It's as if the ending was written by someone who never played the game and didn't know anything about the lore and consequences and such. I watched a TV Show once whose last season ended up being written by someone else. It felt very similar to ME3's ending. And I didn't care about it half as much as I care about ME.

I just want to share links to 2 videos that show just how hard it is to believe anything they say.  The writers constantly contradict their own story and themselves and these bear out that point.

The first is a video released in February where Mac Walters discusses ME3 pre-launch.  He says there will be no post-ME3 DLC because the galaxy is a wasteland and it would be pointless.

The second is the EC "interview" with Casey Hudson and Mac Walters discussing content for the EC release.  In this they say they didn't intend for people to think the galaxy was messed up "it wasn't our message, it wasn't our intent as to how the Mass Effect universe would end."

I have a very difficult time putting both of these ideas together and making them make sense.

In both videos, the relevant parts start at about 1:25 or just before.

http://www.youtube.c...m3Vnt5zxI#t=77s

Well, apparently they don't really care about the world they created anymore. And they care even less about the fans. Too bad, I think they should have learned their lesson after the DA2 outrage, people are slowly but surely leaving the Bioware ship.

[3DandBeyond]

BDelacroix wrote...

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

In a previous topic I said that I don't mind the ending that much. After a few days of actual extreme sadness, I realized I do mind. Yes, I've created a very nice ending in my mind, but it's just not enough. I have to actually see Shepard reunited with Kaidan and all of her friends. Screw the artistry of it all. They all deserve a better ending, WE all deserve a better ending. Before going into the final battle, Kaidan told Shepard "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." And he did fight. And so did she. So they should get to hold each other again, ON SCREEN. We deserve a lot better than pictures in our heads after investing so much emotion into this story. Am I right?

Unfortunately I believe that is all you are going to get.

The big problem is they have no idea what even they wanted the ending to mean-just look at the videos I posted above.  They intended to totally destroy the galaxy and with the EC claimed they didn't know why fans thought the galaxy would be a dark place at the end of ME3.  How can you possibly have a discussion with that?  It's no wonder we got the convoluted endings we got.  It's no wonder the devs didn't want or couldn't show some happier ending and it's no wonder fans are upset by all of this.

We didn't make up the idea of relays destroying the galaxy, they did and then they tried to tell us we were crazy for thinking that.  They fully intended the Normandy to be stranded in the original endings, but we fans just didn't understand that it would fly off that planet.  They had no idea how the teammates got to the Normandy to be with Joker at the end, so they wedged some more craziness into the mix.  A Bioware employee told people when asked on twitter if there would be a reunion in the EC that there would be.  I read what she said.  I saw it.  She said it.  Now, she says that's not true, that she said it was up to the player to decide.  No, that is not what she said.  And now apparently they've all gotten the memo that the gasp ending could be either Shepard's dying gasp or Shepard's breath of life.  That's closure?  They need to turn this over to people who care because they don't.

[wright1978]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The reunion in my head will always be better than the one Bioware can come up with.

I'm glad Mac Walters is not there.

Maybe, but I dont think we need to see much.

For example, a simple 5 second scene of Shep with the crew or the LI is all that's needed. We could all then speculate on what happens after that. That could be left for the player to decide.

Would be so much better than what we have now.

The point of the scene is to tell you that Shepard is alive and is going to be rescued.

The sequences are out of order by the way. The way the scene is edited together sets everything up.

That's the point.

The point of the scene is to be deliberately ambigious.
Not only is the sequence completely out of order but it is completely detached from the epilogue because they wanted to cling to their awful ambiguity so tightly.

[comrade gando]

lol the only ending where you MAYBE live ends on a cliff hanger and you have to screw over some of your allies. ART

[Marauder Shieldz]

comrade gando wrote...

lol the only ending where you MAYBE live ends on a cliff hanger and you have to screw over some of your allies. ART

[BDelacroix]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BDelacroix wrote...

Wu the Lotus Blossom wrote...

In a previous topic I said that I don't mind the ending that much. After a few days of actual extreme sadness, I realized I do mind. Yes, I've created a very nice ending in my mind, but it's just not enough. I have to actually see Shepard reunited with Kaidan and all of her friends. Screw the artistry of it all. They all deserve a better ending, WE all deserve a better ending. Before going into the final battle, Kaidan told Shepard "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." And he did fight. And so did she. So they should get to hold each other again, ON SCREEN. We deserve a lot better than pictures in our heads after investing so much emotion into this story. Am I right?

Unfortunately I believe that is all you are going to get.

The big problem is they have no idea what even they wanted the ending to mean-just look at the videos I posted above.  They intended to totally destroy the galaxy and with the EC claimed they didn't know why fans thought the galaxy would be a dark place at the end of ME3.  How can you possibly have a discussion with that?  It's no wonder we got the convoluted endings we got.  It's no wonder the devs didn't want or couldn't show some happier ending and it's no wonder fans are upset by all of this.

We didn't make up the idea of relays destroying the galaxy, they did and then they tried to tell us we were crazy for thinking that.  They fully intended the Normandy to be stranded in the original endings, but we fans just didn't understand that it would fly off that planet.  They had no idea how the teammates got to the Normandy to be with Joker at the end, so they wedged some more craziness into the mix.  A Bioware employee told people when asked on twitter if there would be a reunion in the EC that there would be.  I read what she said.  I saw it.  She said it.  Now, she says that's not true, that she said it was up to the player to decide.  No, that is not what she said.  And now apparently they've all gotten the memo that the gasp ending could be either Shepard's dying gasp or Shepard's breath of life.  That's closure?  They need to turn this over to people who care because they don't.

Believe me, I agree.

[3DandBeyond]

BDelacroix wrote...


Believe me, I agree.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply anything directed at you.  I just feel they have lost all credibility and any kind of moral "authority" or integrity on this project, given all they've promised, all they've lied about and continue to lie about.

They used endings from other things and called it their art.  They (MW and CH) said they couldn't get rid of the whole ending as is because they wouldn't know how to write another ending.  That's obvious because they didn't write this one.  And in order to write another ending they might actually have had to remember what took place in the ME games.

My examples indicate how stupid they think fans are.  We played the game, listened to them (used to listen to them), believed some things they said, bought the games, loved the games, got crapped on by the ME3 ending, and for all of this we get repeatedly told that things we know to be true are not true.

The other thing I point to is that on that panel for the recent comic con, the gasp ending was said by one dev to be a beacon of hope for players because it shows Shepard's alive.  A few minutes later it was said by another (Hepler) to mean that Shepard was taking his/her last gasp.  I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow one of them said that it wasn't ever even supposed to be Shepard, that it was clearly Anderson with boobs (in some players' games) and that BW had no idea how any person with a brain could have thought that Shepard could end up in London when it was Anderson that was born there.

[GreenFlag]

ME4 starting: "Wake up Shepard!"

[comrade gando]

I recall a thread about all the lies bioware told us. It had a complete list of pre-release quotes, most of which were completely false by the time the game ended, and the thread was closed with chris priestly saying something like: "they are not lies. end of line"

they aren't lies? I have yet to see these quotes be true.