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[Ieldra]

I don't think this has been discussed before, and only now do I feel detached enough to discuss it without going on an incoherent rant.

Shepard's collapse at the control panel on the Citadel is, by a very big margin, my most hated moment in the game. And here is why: this moment not only symbolizes that Shepard can't succeed without help, no, combined with the elevator lift initiated by the Catalyst it symbolizes that he needs help by a god-like presence. I am not averse to Shepard needing help. I would have accepted help by any human, turian, geth, asari etc.. etc..., even the Illusive Man. But I absolutely *hate* the suggestion that "divine" help is needed to enact a solution.

Of course I can interpret the Catalyst in a different way, and I do. I refuse to grant it the authority the symbolism suggests, as I would never grant anyone or anything such authority, but nonetheless the symbolism is there and to me it was pretty blatant. If anything, this moment alone came close to make Mass Effect - the whole trilogy - "not my story".

I would like to see how others think about this moment. Please note that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Catalyst's reasoning and the options it presents, which I can accept.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:16 .

[RavenEyry]

I hate this moment because it makes what comes after it (with Shepard running and stuff) seem even more poorly written than it did anyway.

[Adanu]

You're reading WAY too much into this.

But then, you people always do.

[CrutchCricket]

Never really worried about the specific image you're talking about.

But the fact that victory is pretty much handed to you at the end? Yeah, not so impressive. In fact it makes the whole struggle of the trilogy worthless. What if Shepard had bled out before Anderson? Would Anderson have then gotten the magic lift?

And TIM is implied to have gotten the lift already (even though he failed). So yeah, forget the three year fight, forget your choices. If Joe RandomNPC is good at sprinting and dodging lasers, he too has the chance to decide the fate of the galaxy.

Say... that just gives me an idea...

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:31 .

[D24O]

I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who likes the fact that Shepard is rendered into a helpless, dying meatsack that can't win on the years of work he did, without some demonic entity's help.

[Tealjaker94]

D24O wrote...

I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who likes the fact that Shepard is rendered into a helpless, dying meatsack that can't win on the years of work he did, without some demonic entity's help.

HK-47. 

[RavenEyry]

Adanu wrote...

You're reading WAY too much into this.

But then, you people always do.

You people? What BSN users? Aren't you one?

[blueumi]

shep was next to dead moments away from it in fact and then that kid said get up and oh look shep is fine now
the blood is no longer at an injury which shep never even suffered because shep was hit in the right shoulder yet the wound is on the left near the kidney area how stupid is that
it makes no sense it never will wast of time and now all three games seem like a waste of time

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't think this has been discussed before, and only now do I feel detached enough to discuss it without going on an incoherent rant.

Shepard's collapse at the control panel on the Citadel is, by a very big margin, my most hated moment in the game. And here is why: this moment not only symbolizes that Shepard can't succeed without help, no, combined with the elevator lift initiated by the Catalyst it symbolizes that he needs help by a god-like presence. I am not averse to Shepard needing help. I would have accepted help by any human, turian, geth, asari etc.. etc..., even the Illusive Man. But I absolutely *hate* the suggestion that "divine" help is needed to enact a solution.

Of course I can interpret the Catalyst in a different way, and I do. I refuse to grant it the authority the symbolism suggests, as I would never grant anyone or anything such authority, but nonetheless the symbolism is there and to me it was pretty blatant. If anything, this moment alone came close to make Mass Effect - the whole trilogy - "not my story".

I would like to see how others think about this moment. Please note that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Catalyst's reasoning and the options it presents, which I can accept.  

I saw your topic Ieldra and my hackles started to rise at the memory of that atrocious moment of ME3. Really i ignore large portions of the end sequence as well as all those stupid dream sequences etc. Pretty much all the moments they tried to insert heavy handed symbolism in. With the chnages made in the EC ican just about stomach the catalyst sequences but not that piece of useless forced drivel.

[darkchief10]

blueumi wrote...

shep was next to dead moments away from it in fact and then that kid said get up and oh look shep is fine now
the blood is no longer at an injury which shep never even suffered because shep was hit in the right shoulder yet the wound is on the left near the kidney area how stupid is that
it makes no sense it never will wast of time and now all three games seem like a waste of time

punctuation is your friend. Use it.
on topic: i don't care anymore, i hear darksiders is nice.

[Mazebook]

for the last time ...the crucible lifts him up...not the catalyst!

why is that so hard to understand?

[RavenEyry]

maaaze wrote...

for the last time ...the crucible lifts him up...not the catalyst!

why is that so hard to understand?

The crucible activates a lift in one part of the citadel that takes you to another part of the citadel? How odd.

[Mazebook]

RavenEyry wrote...

maaaze wrote...

for the last time ...the crucible lifts him up...not the catalyst!

why is that so hard to understand?

The crucible activates a lift in one part of the citadel that takes you to another part of the citadel? How odd.

yes...really strange concept that a device would bring you to the room where you can enable its functions.

[RavenEyry]

maaaze wrote...

yes...really strange concept that a device would bring you to the room where you can enable its functions.

Boy, weren't we lucky SHep happened to be lying in the exact spot the lift is! The crucible engineers must be breathing a collective sigh of relief.

[lillitheris]

Seriously? This is, like, the least of my problems with the game.

[wright1978]

RavenEyry wrote...

maaaze wrote...

yes...really strange concept that a device would bring you to the room where you can enable its functions.

Boy, weren't we lucky SHep happened to be lying in the exact spot the lift is! The crucible engineers must be breathing a collective sigh of relief.

Obviously when he/she opened the citadel arms the lift had a time delay that meant it didn't go off when he/she was standing there first time too.

[Xellith]

Adanu wrote...

You're reading WAY too much into this.

But then, you people always do.

[Mazebook]

RavenEyry wrote...

maaaze wrote...

yes...really strange concept that a device would bring you to the room where you can enable its functions.

Boy, weren't we lucky SHep happened to be lying in the exact spot the lift is! The crucible engineers must be breathing a collective sigh of relief.

Boy...aren´t we lucky that lift is exactly there were it´s needed...at the console which enables you to open the arms of the citadel. which you have to do in the first place to use the crucible. oh boy...

[The Angry One]

maaaze wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

maaaze wrote...

yes...really strange concept that a device would bring you to the room where you can enable its functions.

Boy, weren't we lucky SHep happened to be lying in the exact spot the lift is! The crucible engineers must be breathing a collective sigh of relief.

Boy...aren´t we lucky that lift is exactly there were it´s needed...at the console which enables you to open the arms of the citadel. which you have to do in the first place to use the crucible. oh boy...

And if you happened to not be there but used the primary control console at the Council chamber? What then?

How would the Crucible even operate an elevator on the Citadel if the designers don't know it requires the Citadel?

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 juillet 2012 - 07:56 .

[Tealjaker94]

Xellith wrote...

Adanu wrote...

You're reading WAY too much into this.

But then, you people always do.

What do you mean you people?

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:04 .

[Mazebook]

The Angry One wrote...

maaaze wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

maaaze wrote...

yes...really strange concept that a device would bring you to the room where you can enable its functions.

Boy, weren't we lucky SHep happened to be lying in the exact spot the lift is! The crucible engineers must be breathing a collective sigh of relief.

Boy...aren´t we lucky that lift is exactly there were it´s needed...at the console which enables you to open the arms of the citadel. which you have to do in the first place to use the crucible. oh boy...

And if you happened to not be there but used the primary control console at the Council chamber? What then?

How would the Crucible even operate an elevator on the Citadel if the designers don't know it requires the Citadel?

And if you happened to not be there but used the primary control console at the Council chamber? What then? 

who knows...you go there were you needed to be.. but it was designed to be near the spot where the beam takes you...which makes sense if the reapers already took the citadel they close the arms and activate the beam. and if not ...you don´t need the lift to get where you are needed.

How would the Crucible even operate an elevator on the Citadel if the designers don't know it requires the Citadel?

statement makes no sense...the designers build the crucible with the citadel in mind. or did you miss that?

Modifié par maaaze, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:06 .

[The Spamming Troll]

dying 1 foot away from being able to push the button to save the galaxy would have pissed me off more then anything. you just cant write a story were the hero dies one step away from the solution.

oh wait, what actually happened with the ending is probably worse. im not sure it could have been thought up much worse tho.

[RavenEyry]

maaaze wrote...
statement makes no sense...the designers build the crucible with the citadel in mind. or did you miss that?

And did you miss the whole 'they didn't know the citadel was needed until Vendetta told them' part?

[Ieldra]

@maaze:
Of course you can interpret things that way. But the symbolism exists nonetheless.

[Father_Jerusalem]

It symbolizes, to me, that getting shot in the gut is a slow, painful way to die...