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[o Ventus]

maaaze wrote...

sorry that your little "let´s bash bioware because we don´t understand the ending" circle did not thought about the obviouse.

The f**k? when have I ever criticized Bioware? I've criticized Casey Hudson because I think he's a douche, and MAc Walters becuase I think he's a bad writer, but 2 people don't make a corporation. Try again. And there's nothing to understand about the endings. They're sh*t, simple as that.

it says little about if it is common sense...it says more about you...and why you did not like the ending.

You're tryng to pass off as smarter than you actually are.

[Mazebook]

Taboo-XX wrote...

maaaze wrote...

sorry that your little "let´s bash bioware because we don´t understand the ending" circle did not thought about the obviouse.

it says little about if it is common sense...it says more about you...and why you did not like the ending.

Being a dogbot isn't helping anyone.

This is not something that is an exercise in Lynchian oneirism.

This is was a science fiction story, that fit well withing the suspension of disbelief motif.

If you'd like to discuss high art speculative Science Fiction I would suggest renting the twin Tarkovsky films, Solaris and Stalker.

If you won't do that, I would suggest finding better criticisms than non sequitors.

i have both films and his collection on DVD and saw them several times...Tarkovsky had no interest in pacing...bioware does...i like Tarkovky´s handling narrative when i want reflection...i like biowares approach when i want emotion.

The EC ending is something what evokes both for the open minded.

EDIT: okay... i am gonna leave this thread alone..because it is on the brink of getting out of hand.
           and yes, if you still think the ending makes no sense...you´re intelligents is ether paralysed by emotional            disappointment  or you are just not that smart to begin with. 

Modifié par maaaze, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .

[Taboo]

Tarkovsky did everything at once.

Bioware's original ending reminds a great deal of the ending of Solaris. But they failed miserably. They had images, but no intellectual or emotional context.

An image should relay both emotion AND context, which is the goal. Robert Bresson stated this in his writings and lessons and he was able to convey emotions with shots of people's hands.

You have no idea what you're dealing with. At all.

[ZLurps]

maaaze wrote...

i like Tarkovky´s handling narrative when i want reflection...i like biowares approach when i want emotion.

The EC ending is something what evokes both for the open minded.

Well, I guess you can pretty safely call it "emotional succes" when you get to the point where, I guess even most autistic fans are raging over.

[Taboo]

ZLurps wrote...

maaaze wrote...

i like Tarkovky´s handling narrative when i want reflection...i like biowares approach when i want emotion.

The EC ending is something what evokes both for the open minded.

Well, I guess you can pretty safely call it "emotional succes" when you get to the point where, I guess even most autistic fans are raging over.

"Autistic" would be crudest term one might use to describe the original endings.

Completely devoid of emotional inflection and expression.

[D24O]

The EC slides do evoke emotion because they bring back the character element of the story that was completely absent in the catalyst sequence. That was always the strong pert of the story, and when they switched over to a plot focused segment, it fell flat emotionally.

[Seival]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

Well, as a Control Supporter I might surprise you... I believe that anything in the end (including Control), can't be done without the original Catalist's approval. It completely controls the situation, but Shepard's previous actions convinced the original Catalist that its "solution" was wrong. Victory was not about the Crucible itself, but about conviccing the original Catalist. We knew nothing about the Catalist till the very end, but it's clearly watched over us carefully...

I like one short description of this made my another Control fan:
 - Crucible is the Testing Ground.
 - Catalist is the Gate Keeper.
 - Shepard and the entire Galactic Civilization have to pass the test in order to convince the Gate Keeper to open the Gates.

...There was a discussion about that in Control support thread by the way

 

Such a great exam, genocide of few thousand of civilizations, and Shepard first who pass - tehe. Gate Keeper negate his own conclusions so many times than there is no way to believe him....

What is funny - Gate Keeper said that Crucible made new possibilities - but all three choices were built on Citadel and not on the Crucible so he is leading you into trap.

No offence, but you already proved in several other threads that you didn't understand anything about the endings even after EC release. No need to prove it once more.

[eternalnightmare13]

Adanu wrote...

You're reading WAY too much into this.

But then, you people always do.

+1

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...


No offence, but you already proved in several other threads that you didn't understand anything about the endings even after EC release. No need to prove it once more.

Because there is nothing to understand until you start thinking about indoctrination as outcome... 

“No matter how big the lie; repeat it often enough and the masses will regard it as the truth.” 
 J.F.Kennedy

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .

[Bill Casey]

If the elevator didn't take him up, wouldn't Shepard have just got up and hit the console?

[CINCTuchanka]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tarkovsky did everything at once.

Bioware's original ending reminds a great deal of the ending of Solaris. But they failed miserably. They had images, but no intellectual or emotional context.

An image should relay both emotion AND context, which is the goal. Robert Bresson stated this in his writings and lessons and he was able to convey emotions with shots of people's hands.

You have no idea what you're dealing with. At all.

I would like to point out that criticizing BSN posters for not being experts at understanding the thematic elements of Tarkovsky's work is the antithesis of sporting. 

Just saying.

[D24O]

Bill Casey wrote...

If the elevator didn't take him up, wouldn't Shepard have just got up and hit the console?

Spekulationz

[ZLurps]

Taboo-XX wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

maaaze wrote...

i like Tarkovky´s handling narrative when i want reflection...i like biowares approach when i want emotion.

The EC ending is something what evokes both for the open minded.

Well, I guess you can pretty safely call it "emotional succes" when you get to the point where, I guess even most autistic fans are raging over.

"Autistic" would be crudest term one might use to describe the original endings.

Completely devoid of emotional inflection and expression.

My general idea was, that if your story evokes emotion from even autistic stereotype, it had to be... bad. Not that my attempt at humour was that great.

[Bill Casey]

D24O wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

If the elevator didn't take him up, wouldn't Shepard have just got up and hit the console?

Spekulationz

He gets up and walks/runs around just fine...

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

It symbolizes, to me, that getting shot in the gut is a slow, painful way to die...

But...but I had just spent 50000 credits on the top of the line Cerberus Armor. The toughest armor in the galaxy. Didn't get hit by the laser blast, which if it was a direct hit would have killed Shepard outright, but merely blasted up a bunch of rubble in front and knocked Shepard unconscious, but somehow caused all the armor to be stripped off and Shepard to be bleeding from the gut? Wow. And I'd also gotten all those shield upgrades too! What happened to it? Did Casey's evil munchkins steal it then stab me? Bastards!

No helmet. No armor. Bleeding from the gut on the right. And a ****** poor pistol. Bullets that don't do jack **** to keepers. Shooting Anderson, then feeling shot in the exact mirrored spot on your own body? Suspension of disbelief is shot to hell at this point. Then throw this elevator to WTF-land and Starjar?

Something is not right. This has got to be a complete dream sequence. Stupid ending is stupid. Hence: Indoctrination Theory; Intoxication Theory; or Indigestion Theory.

When are we getting "The Real Ending DLC"?

[Applepie_Svk]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

It symbolizes, to me, that getting shot in the gut is a slow, painful way to die...

But...but I had just spent 50000 credits

To hell with galaxy, endings sucks anyway buy aquarium..

Otherwise, it´s interesting that after Lazoooor show by DJ Harb near the beam every alliance soldier is without single burn just dying from some unkown reason but Shepard is with heavy burns heading forward to beam and even better symbolism is that Major Coats which should speak few mins ago about retreating from beam is now lying in the Citadel - Keeper is taking his helmet off the head....

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:09 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

It symbolizes, to me, that getting shot in the gut is a slow, painful way to die...

But...but I had just spent 50000 credits on the top of the line Cerberus Armor. The toughest armor in the galaxy. Didn't get hit by the laser blast, which if it was a direct hit would have killed Shepard outright, but merely blasted up a bunch of rubble in front and knocked Shepard unconscious, but somehow caused all the armor to be stripped off and Shepard to be bleeding from the gut? Wow. And I'd also gotten all those shield upgrades too! What happened to it? Did Casey's evil munchkins steal it then stab me? Bastards!

No helmet. No armor. Bleeding from the gut on the right. And a ****** poor pistol. Bullets that don't do jack **** to keepers. Shooting Anderson, then feeling shot in the exact mirrored spot on your own body? Suspension of disbelief is shot to hell at this point. Then throw this elevator to WTF-land and Starjar?

Something is not right. This has got to be a complete dream sequence. Stupid ending is stupid. Hence: Indoctrination Theory; Intoxication Theory; or Indigestion Theory.

When are we getting "The Real Ending DLC"?

I really like that phrase

[D24O]

Bill Casey wrote...

He gets up and walks/runs around just fine...

Moar spekulationz.

[ZLurps]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

No helmet. No armor. Bleeding from the gut on the right. And a ****** poor pistol. Bullets that don't do jack **** to keepers. Shooting Anderson, then feeling shot in the exact mirrored spot on your own body? Suspension of disbelief is shot to hell at this point. Then throw this elevator to WTF-land and Starjar?

Something is not right. This has got to be a complete dream sequence. Stupid ending is stupid. Hence: Indoctrination Theory; Intoxication Theory; or Indigestion Theory.

When are we getting "The Real Ending DLC"?

Well, we won't get The Real Ending DLC but...

Have you ever concidered possibility, that they did it on purpose?

[Humakt83]

Divide players with endings, conquer them with speculations.

What could go wrong?

[Kenshen]

Bill Casey wrote...

If the elevator didn't take him up, wouldn't Shepard have just got up and hit the console?

Wouldn't have mattered.  Before Shep passes out, she says she doesn't know what to do.

Really the only part about this scene I didn't like was seeing Shep laying across the elevator but as it goes up you don't see the legs hanging over the side.  From the looks of it I don't think Shep's body would have stayed on the platform as it went up.  Maybe that part is in the blopper reel.

[Applepie_Svk]

ZLurps wrote...


Well, we won't get The Real Ending DLC but...

Have you ever concidered possibility, that they did it on purpose?

Actualy they have never planning the EC, it was reason why old endings were so empty...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:13 .

[Tealjaker94]

Oh ****. The ITers have arrived.

[ZLurps]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ZLurps wrote...


Well, we won't get The Real Ending DLC but...

Have you ever concidered possibility, that they did it on purpose?

Actualy they have never planning the EC, it was reason why old endings were so empty...

I know they didn't plan EC, Walters visioned galactic dark age (Final Hours), practically everybody on Citadel dead (Twitter).

What I meant is the bigger picture.

[Bill Casey]

aryon69 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

If the elevator didn't take him up, wouldn't Shepard have just got up and hit the console?

Wouldn't have mattered.  Before Shep passes out, she says she doesn't know what to do.

Really the only part about this scene I didn't like was seeing Shep laying across the elevator but as it goes up you don't see the legs hanging over the side.  From the looks of it I don't think Shep's body would have stayed on the platform as it went up.  Maybe that part is in the blopper reel.

If his legs were hanging over the side, they would get cut off...
Also, Shepard is facing the opposite way when we see him again...