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#126
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maaaze wrote...

you´re intelligents is ether paralysed by emotional            disappointment  or you are just not that smart to begin with. 


Wow.

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Bill Casey wrote...
If his legs were hanging over the side, they would get cut off...
Also, Shepard is facing the opposite way when we see him again...

Does this prove IT?

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ArikadOdakirA wrote...

maaaze wrote...

you´re intelligents is ether paralysed by emotional            disappointment  or you are just not that smart to begin with. 


Wow.


LOL

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D24O wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...
If his legs were hanging over the side, they would get cut off...
Also, Shepard is facing the opposite way when we see him again...

Does this prove IT?


Sure, why not?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:32 .


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Taboo-XX wrote...

ArikadOdakirA wrote...

maaaze wrote...

you´re intelligents is ether paralysed by emotional            disappointment  or you are just not that smart to begin with. 


Wow.


LOL


Yeah said someone who believe to kid...

#131
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It looks like a sentence, and yet...

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Applepie_Svk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ArikadOdakirA wrote...

maaaze wrote...

you´re intelligents is ether paralysed by emotional            disappointment  or you are just not that smart to begin with. 


Wow.


LOL


Yeah said someone who believe to kid...


I don't believe the kid if that's what you're asking.

#133
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ZLurps wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ZLurps wrote...


Well, we won't get The Real Ending DLC but...

Have you ever concidered possibility, that they did it on purpose?


Actualy they have never planning the EC, it was reason why old endings were so empty...


I know they didn't plan EC, Walters visioned galactic dark age (Final Hours), practically everybody on Citadel dead (Twitter).

What I meant is the bigger picture.


Slash and burn? I didn't do the Final Hours thing, but I've read about it. I saw the Mac Walters interview.

My comment: If they wanted to end the series, fine. All I have to say is they took the coward's way out, then. A bunch of ****ing wusses. They couldn't give us a decent ending,  and then just say that's it on the series we're moving on. No, they had to trash the ****ing thing and ****** on every single person who sunk hundreds of hours into it.

If that's what they did, and it seems like that's exactly what they did, I hope it comes back to bite the company in the ass in spades.

I am looking forward to seeing what 343 does with Halo 4.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

ArikadOdakirA wrote...

maaaze wrote...

you´re intelligents is ether paralysed by emotional            disappointment  or you are just not that smart to begin with. 


Wow.


LOL

Hahahahaha. This guy is hilarious.

#135
Applepie_Svk

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ArikadOdakirA wrote...

maaaze wrote...

you´re intelligents is ether paralysed by emotional            disappointment  or you are just not that smart to begin with. 


Wow.


LOL


Yeah said someone who believe to kid...


I don't believe the kid if that's what you're asking.


Maaaze...

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Hey, Bioware fanbase? It's time to grow the hell up now and stop being immature babies. Just letting you know.

This fanbase has gone pathetic. It's like the original endings made the fanbase crap their brains out of their ass and never got it back. I'm embarrassed to be a fan of the same thing as you people.

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andy69156915 wrote...

Hey, Bioware fanbase? It's time to grow the hell up now and stop being immature babies. Just letting you know.

This fanbase has gone pathetic. It's like the original endings made the fanbase crap their brains out of their ass and never got it back. I'm embarrassed to be a fan of the same thing as you people.


And here we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

"YOU'RE BLACK"

"NO **** POT, YOU ARE TOO."

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I don't think this has been discussed before, and only now do I feel detached enough to discuss it without going on an incoherent rant.

Shepard's collapse at the control panel on the Citadel is, by a very big margin, my most hated moment in the game. And here is why: this moment not only symbolizes that Shepard can't succeed without help, no, combined with the elevator lift initiated by the Catalyst it symbolizes that he needs help by a god-like presence. I am not averse to Shepard needing help. I would have accepted help by any human, turian, geth, asari etc.. etc..., even the Illusive Man. But I absolutely *hate* the suggestion that "divine" help is needed to enact a solution.

Of course I can interpret the Catalyst in a different way, and I do. I refuse to grant it the authority the symbolism suggests, as I would never grant anyone or anything such authority, but nonetheless the symbolism is there and to me it was pretty blatant. If anything, this moment alone came close to make Mass Effect - the whole trilogy - "not my story".

I would like to see how others think about this moment. Please note that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Catalyst's reasoning and the options it presents, which I can accept.  


The intentions of the writer were clear: artsy-fartsy.
This simple assumption (no pun intended) validates OP's opinion entirely.
The role of the Spacebrat is the one of a Deus ex machina, that is a god(-like) figure that intervenes - from above - to solve a problematic and seemingly unsolvable situation; that's why we can say almost without a doubt that that scene represents Shepard's ascending to a new, almost divine, level: it's the representation of Shepard brought into the presence of a God.
The OP isn't reading to much into it, s/he's spot on.

Oh, by the way do not understimate the power of symbolism and how many artists try to put it everywhere in their works, most times pathetically failing in their attempts.


(even the Crucible is a phallic symbol, yes, it is..)

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andy69156915 wrote...

Hey, Bioware fanbase? It's time to grow the hell up now and stop being immature babies. Just letting you know.

This fanbase has gone pathetic. It's like the original endings made the fanbase crap their brains out of their ass and never got it back. I'm embarrassed to be a fan of the same thing as you people.

And nothing of value was contributed to the discussion.

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Tealjaker94 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ArikadOdakirA wrote...

maaaze wrote...

you´re intelligents is ether paralysed by emotional            disappointment  or you are just not that smart to begin with. 


Wow.


LOL

Hahahahaha. This guy is hilarious.

This is the  "you don't get it, so I'm taking my toys and leaving" arguement? SO BE IT! :lol:

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D24O wrote...
And nothing of value was contributed to the discussion.


This entire thread, from the first post, has added nothing worthwhile to this board. This thread isn't anything to contribute to. Meanwhile, you're all laughing at someone for no reason, just because you disagreed with him. Yeah, this thread is nothing but a turd on the forum, a forum full of the worst fans I've ever seen.

Modifié par andy69156915, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:46 .


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andy69156915 wrote...

D24O wrote...
And nothing of value was contributed to the discussion.


This entire thread, from the first post, has added nothing worthwhile to this board. This thread isn't anything to contribute to.


So you dropped in to tell us this because?

Could you not opine elsewhere?

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Greylycantrope wrote...

This is the  "you don't get it, so I'm taking my toys and leaving" arguement? SO BE IT! :lol:


This one won my heart for 5 minutes...

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Taboo-XX wrote...
So you dropped in to tell us this because?

Could you not opine elsewhere?


Because your discussion was important that mocking someone for an entire page is the best thing you have to do in this thread. This fanbase gets more petty by the day, and it's getting old.

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andy69156915 wrote...

This entire thread, from the first post, has added nothing worthwhile to this board. This thread isn't anything to contribute to. Meanwhile, you're all laughing at someone for no reason, just because you disagreed with him. Yeah, this thread is nothing but a turd on the forum, a forum full of the worst fans I've ever seen.

A discussion on the origin of the choices, and the symbolism intended behind the sequence is quite important in how we are to interpert the end sequence. 

Edit: You know nothing is keeping you here.

Modifié par D24O, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:50 .


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andy69156915 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
So you dropped in to tell us this because?

Could you not opine elsewhere?


Because your discussion was important that mocking someone for an entire page is the best thing you have to do in this thread. This fanbase gets more petty by the day, and it's getting old.


Did you not understand the nature of the question?

We look to liking if looking liking do.

Yes?

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Seival wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't think this has been discussed before, and only now do I feel detached enough to discuss it without going on an incoherent rant.

Shepard's collapse at the control panel on the Citadel is, by a very big margin, my most hated moment in the game. And here is why: this moment not only symbolizes that Shepard can't succeed without help, no, combined with the elevator lift initiated by the Catalyst it symbolizes that he needs help by a god-like presence. I am not averse to Shepard needing help. I would have accepted help by any human, turian, geth, asari etc.. etc..., even the Illusive Man. But I absolutely *hate* the suggestion that "divine" help is needed to enact a solution.

Of course I can interpret the Catalyst in a different way, and I do. I refuse to grant it the authority the symbolism suggests, as I would never grant anyone or anything such authority, but nonetheless the symbolism is there and to me it was pretty blatant. If anything, this moment alone came close to make Mass Effect - the whole trilogy - "not my story".

I would like to see how others think about this moment. Please note that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Catalyst's reasoning and the options it presents, which I can accept.

Well, as a Control Supporter I might surprise you... I believe that anything in the end (including Control), can't be done without the original Catalist's approval. It completely controls the situation, but Shepard's previous actions convinced the original Catalist that its "solution" was wrong. Victory was not about the Crucible itself, but about conviccing the original Catalist. We knew nothing about the Catalist till the very end, but it's clearly watched over us carefully...

I like one short description of this made my another Control fan:
 - Crucible is the Testing Ground.
 - Catalist is the Gate Keeper.
 - Shepard and the entire Galactic Civilization have to pass the test in order to convince the Gate Keeper to open the Gates.

...There was a discussion about that in Control support thread by the way :)

That's something which was in the back of my head. If it wasn't for the horrible atrocities around the whole thing it would make sense.

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D24O wrote...
A discussion on the origin of the choices, and the symbolism intended behind the sequence is quite important in how we are to interpert the end sequence. 

Edit: You know nothing is keeping you here.


No, this thread is another "HUR DUR ending suck, plot holes, lol, I'm so cool because I called something art sarcastically instead of actually thinking for myself, here's my reasons for ****ing" like damn near every other thread on the front page. The board has gone as far as starting to make things up to hate about ME3, because clearly ME3 doesn't have enough real things to complain about (it actually does have enough, but you all keep whining about made-up stuff anyway).

You're right, there is nothing keeping me here. I'm starting to see exactly why this place has such a bad reputation on the rest of the internet.

Modifié par andy69156915, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:57 .


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Please stop reminding me of how poorly written the last 10 minutes were.

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Homie, quite honestly the whole final sequence was wack from end to end. LET US NOT BE DISCRIMINATORY.