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[tfoltz]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Valiant is still relevant. Black widow trails slightly behind. Harrier is a beast, so yes there are still options available to deal massive amounts of damage.

You only listed ultra-rare and promotional weapons that players may never obtain.

Snipers would get a decent buff if weak spots were re-added to bosses.

[Pichsterz]

BW should make a sniper rifle weapon attachment or gear to bypass sheild-gate and that will make
sniper rifle viable in Gold/Platinum. Probably make their job easier, than having to buff sniper rifles.

[millerm277]

Meatiershower wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I agree that sniper rifles need a buff across the board, at least.  However, to say that Infiltrators are just medics is silly...  Infiltrators are still killing machines.

This. Sniper infiltrators only took around a 14% damage loss when they were nerfed. Not too bad. It's still my go to class, though love for the Shadow is growing in me, too...

And with the addition of Sniper Amp Gear, that'd be a 1% damage boost over pre-nerf + pre-gear introduction.

A BW or a Valiant in the hands of someone who knows how to aim decently, will still be one of the top scoring/contributing members of a team, and is still one of the most flexible classes in terms of what you can do.

Edit for tfoltz: Atlases still have weak spots.

Modifié par millerm277, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:02 .

[Thoragoros]

Sovereign24 wrote...

....or you could just use a shotgun?

Great, so ME3's sniping class has to use shotguns to be effective?  And make ME3 devoid of snipers?  What does ME3/Bioware have against effective sniping?

I don't see CoD nerfing its snipers into oblivion.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:16 .

[DayusMakhina]

My main issue with snipers is the shield gating really. Coming from a background of FPS games I do partially understand the need for it so it's not easy street but the way I see it a headshot should ignore shield gating. That'd make snipers a lot more viable than they are now and also reward players whom are capable.

That said, I do agree that sniper infiltrators are still usable, it's just they clearly are inferior to shotgun infiltrators as it is.

[ka243]

Agreed. Sniper infiltrators are now pointless losers. Bw wants infiltrators to use shotguns only.

[AbhijitSM]

Dachau Joseph wrote...

Mgamerz wrote...

Just cause they can hear you doesn't mean they're oging to shoot right at you. I don't know any other class that can go straight into a field of guys and come out unscathed 80% of the time.

It's happened to me and a lot of others plenty of times.

Cloak while hidden
Enter a new area of the map
Enemies immediately turn and shoot at you with 100% accuracy

Don't even bring up when you're the last player left, as BW flat out confirmed that they will peek past your cloak very frequently to see where you are.

I can confirm 100% that this **** happens all the time. But everytime people just come up with replies that "meh u must have cloaked in their sight or u were too close to them so they could spot u or u remained in the same spot for a long time". <_<

[ShinTheZero]

Go and play Platinum with the BW or the Valiant. You will see, you will dish out much less damage than the GI with Claymore, Destroyer with Harrier, Typhoon, Falcon or Piranha and Biotic classes. Due to this, Sniper Infiltrators are surpassed by those and we, Snipers, are really just doing reviving and capturing devices.
We can one shot "normal" creeps with a headshot, but against units like marauders and centurion, even a full clip of a Valiant, having perfect headshots, might not be enough. Even with the BW, I have some trouble to kill them.
But against Brutes, Ravagers, Atlases, even with TC, BW or Valiant take just 1-2 Bars of Shields/Health and compared to other weapons, it is just that pathetic. I mean, a UR and a N7 Weapon inferior to Rare Weapons? Demoralizes me to farm them.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Actually I'd have to say BW and Javelin are now actually worth it on
platinum, especially against Reapers since they pretty much just throw
Ravagers, Brutes, and Banshees.

Shield gate and DR vs. Shields says hi.

[Killahead]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

Actually I'd have to say BW and Javelin are now actually worth it on
platinum, especially against Reapers since they pretty much just throw
Ravagers, Brutes, and Banshees.

Shield gate and DR vs. Shields says hi.

I think he is aware of that and that it in fact was part of the point, you know, since shield gate doesn't really apply to the enemies he mentioned?

Modifié par Killahead, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:47 .

[tMc Tallgeese]

You can play medic if you want to, but Francesca, my widow, will be busy taking enemy's faces off.

[UKStory135]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

My QI with a Widow X is one of the most fun to play classes IMO. I almost always play Silver, though.

A SR will still dominate a Silver Match.  The problem with Sniper Rifles in this game is that they scale extremely poorly with difficulty.  They are God-Like on Bronze, Great on Silver, but only OK on Gold.  A lot of this is due game mechanics. Constrast that with the Shotgun, which scales extremely well, an you have a lot of people, including myself, who already felt like the game was forcing them to use a shotgun before the nerfs to TC, the removal of headshots, and the buffs to enemies. 

Snipers have a had legit complaint for a while, their complaints get more valid every week.

[Pedactor]

darkchief10 wrote...

my geth infiltrator with an indra one would like a word with you...

Indra and a Piranha/Wraith/Reegar

Yep.  SR's are a fine.  This is a great combination.  Piercing and Barrel mods on Indra, Amp it up with consumables.  Nasty ass gun.

I will say this:

If you do nothing else:  Buff the Javelin.  Remove Shieldgate's affect on that gun.  It has a charge up, is heavy as hell, is Ultra Rare, and should be far more effective on Gold and Platinum than it is right now.

I would also say that the Widow should only be affected by 50% of Shieldgate.

Modifié par Pedactor, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:05 .

[Heldarion]

Derp. And I thought Black Widow and presumably Valiant are perfectly reasonable Platinum sniper rifles. Haven't played Platinum yet though, so I can't say.

edit: most of the time I used Black Widow on Gold, I topped scoreboard, so...

edit 2: Sniper rifles are a bit bad vs boss units like Atlas, Prime or Banshee, where they take their time to kill it, but they kill Brutes and Phantoms just fine in 2-3 shots.

Modifié par Heldarion, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:07 .

[bob2.0]

All true Infiltrators know that tactiCOOL cLOLk is a crutch, just like all stealth/invisibility skills.
Remove cloak and bring back assassination.

[budzai]

Ashen Earth wrote...

All of the sniper rifles are "viable" on Platinum, Lrn2play noob.

if you think sniper infiltrators are as good as shotgun infiltrators then you should learn to play you pissed off little ******...

Modifié par budzai, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .

[budzai]

bob2.0 wrote...

All true Infiltrators know that tactiCOOL cLOLk is a crutch, just like all stealth/invisibility skills.
Remove cloak and bring back assassination.

good idea

Modifié par budzai, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .

[Qror_pl]

... or you could get over that your meant-to-be-supportive weapon isn't OP spamaramafest anymore? I play human infiltrator with Black Widow and I'm doing pretty good

Modifié par Qror_pl, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .

[HinDae]

Theres the pattern to new age of nerfing.

Oh? Its good on platinum? Quick! Better make it so utterly trash people dont use it on Bronze, that'll show em.

[budzai]

JackGradus wrote...

By the way, the Infiltrator is for infiltrating. Some people clearly think they should be used for nothing but sniping, but I say to them: stop living in Mass Effect 1. Seeing as several non-sniper weapons are so effective for the Infiltrator, I'd say Bioware agrees.

We have no sniper class but have AR and shotgun class... really you and other people who don't see a problem here are just hate sniping or stupid

[FlamboyantRoy]

Ashen Earth wrote...

All of the sniper rifles are "viable" on Platinum, Lrn2play noob.

So is the Predator X. That doesn't mean it's to be done.

Valiant and BW. Typhoon > Indra. Widow's only viable on a damned Salarian. 


Yeah the choices aren't exactly endless.

[Ashen One]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

All of the sniper rifles are "viable" on Platinum, Lrn2play noob.

So is the Predator X. That doesn't mean it's to be done.

Valiant and BW. Typhoon > Indra. Widow's only viable on a damned Salarian. 


Yeah the choices aren't exactly endless.

The Widow is "viable" (as in can complete a game on any difficulty) on any class, ffs.

It's not optimal, but it can work. People need to quit confusing those terms.

budzai wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

All of the sniper rifles are "viable" on Platinum, Lrn2play noob.

if you think sniper infiltrators are as good as shotgun infiltrators then you should learn to play you pissed off little ******...

Nice strawman.

I never said they were as good. I said sniper rifles are viable on Platinum. the fact that Platinum has been beaten by sniper Infiltrators supports my claim. Don't misconstrue my posts to support your own butthurt QQ.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:07 .

[budzai]

Ashen Earth wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

All of the sniper rifles are "viable" on Platinum, Lrn2play noob.

So is the Predator X. That doesn't mean it's to be done.

Valiant and BW. Typhoon > Indra. Widow's only viable on a damned Salarian. 


Yeah the choices aren't exactly endless.

The Widow is "viable" (as in can complete a game on any difficulty) on any class, ffs.

It's not optimal, but it can work. People need to quit confusing those terms.

budzai wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

All of the sniper rifles are "viable" on Platinum, Lrn2play noob.

if you think sniper infiltrators are as good as shotgun infiltrators then you should learn to play you pissed off little ******...

Nice strawman.

I never said they were as good. I said sniper rifles are viable on Platinum. the fact that Platinum has been beaten by sniper Infiltrators supports my claim. Don't misconstrue my posts to support your own butthurt QQ.

oh god you are really stupid... there is no class whos optimal choice would be a sniper rifle thats the problem...

[LuckyBullet95]

Infiltrator... Sniper... how the f**k do you infiltrate using a goddamn sniper?

[PoetryAvenger]

My God, this thread.

Did anyone get the license plate of the hyperbole that hit me?