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[Bolo Xia]

Gockey wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Correction, THIS is selfish:

Bolo Xia wrote...

the allied(community) goal is not worth the effort this time.
there has only been like 2 allied goals worth doing and 1 of them we failed.

i already have all the earth characters maxed out and there are alot of people that already do too.
so lets just say i will only be trying for my individual goal this weekend, since the allied goal gives me nothing.

It's a freebie, be grateful they're offering a reward at all. This is no different than the other DLC where we got character cards for an Operation victory.

Sabotaging the allied goal because it doesn't provide personal benefit is extremely poor form.

Huh?  You want to drag morals into this?  In a world filled with moral relativism?  Don't be ridiculous.  No one wins that type of debate.  So if it is your opinion that it's bad form, then cool.  

One looking at it from his point of view would say, why are you so selfish as to demand I participate in an Op that has no incentive to me?  His playstyle doesn't effect you unless you in a match, in which case you can always quit.  

The truth is that extracting offers no incentive credit wise, and is a waste of time.  That's not an opinion, it's a fact.  If you want to extract feel free man.  Just don't try to force others to do something counter-productive

some people are misunderstanding what i originally said and blowing it out of proportion, maybe my fault for the way i worded it.

what i mean is:
if everyone on my team has the indivdual goal done and we go on to play more rounds then i am not going to burn medigel or any other consumable trying to get extraction.

if we make extraction fine but im not going to overboard to get it.

then if the team says "hey lets die after wave 10 objective to get credits faster " in which case i will say " ok no problem, the community goal doesnt matter anyway, so lets do it". 

so all im saying is im not going out of my way to "sabatoge" everyone else, just that i dont really care about the extraction goal unless someone needs their individual goal met then i will try.

now that is settled you can go back to drawing horns and a fu manchu on my avatar if you still feel im being immoral and evil. 

[Gockey]

 

Bolo Xia wrote...


now that is settled you can go back to drawing horns and a fu manchu on my avatar if you still feel im being immoral and evil. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

 

I laughed =)

humes spork wrote...

Gockey wrote...

No one is arguing that its not a good reward for some. However why should you get a reward and those people that already have the earth characters get the shaft?

It's a two way street man.  People just want to know it's worth their time to participate.

Look, I've played ME3MP about an hour or two a night on average since release day, and since Earth came out I've played about two or three hours a day for a total of two or three PSP's a day in the last week. My manifest in total is about half-full, and I've gotten four N7 character cards (three slayers and a destroyer) in the past week.

Assuming perfect luck, you have to buy twelve PSP's to max all six N7 classes. Considering other new gold and black cards from the Earth DLC and a full manifest before that, you probably need to buy 30 or 40 PSP's to have maxed all your N7 classes thanks to random unlocks. That's four million credits on the topside.

To get that many PSP's worth of credits in the past week, you've probably glitched, farmed, bought packs with real money, or just plain and simple played more ME3MP than is really healthy for you to have. That's not the community's fault, that's yours. And, blaming BW and the community, and taking your toys and going home with them (and in the process, denying toys to others) over something for which you are ultimately accountable is the epitome of selfishness.

The truth is that extracting offers no incentive credit wise, and is a waste of time.  That's not an opinion, it's a fact.  If you want to extract feel free man.  Just don't try to force others to do something counter-productive 

Case in point. Perhaps if you'd not reduced the game to a calculus of maximizing credits per hour this operation would have incentive for you to participate. Which is ironic, considering you're griping about how there is no incentive to extract in a thread about an operation which includes incentive for extracting...an incentive for which you've excluded yourself, thanks to your own choices. Own it.

*Yawn*  Straw man argument.  Irrelevant.  I appreciate your opinion, but the fact remains that if you don't offer those players that play the most an incentive to extract then they won't.  Which in turn hurts everyones chances, savvy?  

Additionally, blaming someone else for your:

Lack of RNG luck
Lack of actual cash
Lack of playtime

Is just petty and not worth rebuttling.  Except to note that it is again a strawman argument and means nothing.

And you calling someone else selfish?  Pot meet kettle.  Your advocating that you deserve me playing this weekend till extraction is the exact same.  



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Modifié par Gockey, 25 juillet 2012 - 08:31 .

[Jolonerz]

Easy peasy

[Leonia]

I wasn't trying to have a moral discussion, besides if the rare card is not incentive enough to complete a relatively easy objective for the allied goal then I guess some people are just not going to be happy. It might be hard to avoid completing the allied goal if one is doing PUGs anyway.

Basically: the objective is so easy, why wouldn't you try to help the rest of the community?

Modifié par leonia42, 25 juillet 2012 - 08:33 .

[ChurchOfZod]

Got all 6 new characters maxed. I'll try to extract if we're able but I don't plan on using a single medi gel in wave 11 no matter what.

[JumboWheat01]

I like the new clock. Very handy. And it switches to a "Time Left" clock once the event starts? Nice. No confusion now when the event starts and ends, and no mistakes when converting the time to EST. I somehow make mistakes all the flipping time.

[snorasaurus]

For any needing help with the operation, check this thread. Post your details if you are willing to help and let's try to keep this thread bumped.

http://social.biowar.../index/13326854

[Gockey]

leonia42 wrote...

I wasn't trying to have a moral discussion, besides if the rare card is not incentive enough to complete a relatively easy objective for the allied goal then I guess some people are just not going to be happy. It might be hard to avoid completing the allied goal if one is doing PUGs anyway.

Basically: the objective is so easy, why wouldn't you try to help the rest of the community?

  

If you weren't then you should not have presented a moral argument.  Just because you percieve that a certain action equates a certain response doens't mean that I feel the same way.  Your a bigot if you think I have to conform to your way of thinking.  

As for the completing PuG part?  Not really.  Most of the people I play with do stop after finishing wave 10.  And if I PuG?  Most people in a pug couldn't solo wave 11 platinum if they wanted to.  

Lastly: because it offers no incentive and is counter-productive.

Modifié par Gockey, 25 juillet 2012 - 08:46 .

[Lime The Dragon]

Chris Priestly wrote...

codename2o2 wrote...

"...with each Live member counting towards the goal."

Does this mean each member extracted must be one of the earth dlc characters for it to count? Don't want the nonsense of broadside to happen again so please clarify immediately.

The squad has to have at least one earth character. If there is at least one Earth then ALL living squad members, Earth or not, count.

So, I repeat as alot of people might misunderstand and make assumptions..

This means that an N7/Earth character is REQUIRED for any of the surviving members to count toward the ALLIED goal, correct?

And inversely, if no N7/Earth character is present, then NONE of the surviving members will count toward the allied goal?

[Leonia]

Uh, calling someone selfish is not "presenting a moral argument", it's stating an opinion. Your welcome to disagree with it. Someone else agreed with my assessment so I can't be too crazy for feeling the way I did. Putting words into my mouth doesn't help your case.

Ok, well our playstyles differ, I always go for extraction because that's kind of the point of the game even if there is usually no reward for doing so but hey an Operation with an extraction reward that benefits the whole community is totally awesome even if you may not get any use out of it.

Be a teamplayer or not, your choice, but don't expect people to be happy if the Op fails (again). Those little contributions really add up.

Modifié par leonia42, 25 juillet 2012 - 08:40 .

[RGFrog]

ROFLMAO, longer extraction times!!!

That doesn't make it easier, it makes it harder... LOL

BW just trolled us for the weekend!

If they wanted to make it easier the shuttle would get there in under a minute so we wouldn't have to last as long against the hordes.

Well played troll, BW. Well played.

[Descy_]

Lime The Dragon wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

codename2o2 wrote...

"...with each Live member counting towards the goal."

Does this mean each member extracted must be one of the earth dlc characters for it to count? Don't want the nonsense of broadside to happen again so please clarify immediately.

The squad has to have at least one earth character. If there is at least one Earth then ALL living squad members, Earth or not, count.

So, I repeat as alot of people might misunderstand and make assumptions..

This means that an N7/Earth character is REQUIRED for any of the surviving members to count toward the ALLIED goal, correct?

And inversely, if no N7/Earth character is present, then NONE of the surviving members will count toward the allied goal?

Earth character has to be IN THE GAME, doesnt have to extract.


If no earth characters are present in the game, it doesnt count.

[nicethugbert]

Um, the blog mentions different times for the operation than those mentioned in this thread OP

Operation OVERWATCH (July 27th 10AM PDT – July 30th 5AM PDT)

Operation OVERWATCH drops troops on Earth to tackle the most secure Reaper strongholds. Reaper anti-air defense will make for high-risk shuttle extractions.

Squad Goal: Extraction on any difficulty with at least one squad member using an Earth Pack character

Allied Goal: Extract 800,000 individual players on any difficulty, with each live member counting toward the goal.

Squad Goal Success: All squad members awarded a Commendation Pack.
Allied Goal Success: All players awarded a Victory Pack that includes a new Earth character.

Special Circumstance: Extraction time lengthened due to failure of Operation BROADSIDE.

Requirement: Mass Effect: Earth must be installed to earn these rewards.

[.458]

It sounds like no matter what you play, it works to extract...provided there is an earth dlc character involved. However, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest there is one circumstance people need to meet...the earth dlc character probably has to be alive. Is this correct? Or is it ok for the earth character to be dead? Heck, now I have two things to worry about...used to be I only freaked out trying to get those salarian decoys onboard...

[IronRush]

Only to clarify... all questions need to be made.

Against any enemy or only against reapers count?

[Gockey]

leonia42 wrote...

Uh, calling someone selfish is not "presenting a moral argument", it's stating an opinion. Your welcome to disagree with it. Someone else agreed with my assessment so I can't be too crazy for feeling the way I did. Putting words into my mouth doesn't help your case.

Ok, well our playstyles differ, I always go for extraction because that's kind of the point of the game even if there is usually no reward for doing so but hey an Operation with an extraction reward that benefits the whole community is totally awesome even if you may not get any use out of it.

Be a teamplayer or not, your choice, but don't expect people to be happy if the Op fails (again). Those little contributions really add up.

Wrong.  You said not completing a, "goal because it doesn't provide personal benefit is extremely poor form." Thereby equating choosing to not complete a goal in which time is wasted and nothing is gained, with a moral failing.  In other words your calling everyone that doesn't conform to your personal view a dishonorable knave (insert your personal insult here).  

The moment you chose to equate my choice with maximinzing my gains and enjoyment in this game by using my time efficiently, with "poor form," you made a moral argument.  Not sure what your difficulty is in understanding this.  

That makes you a bigot.  Because I don't see it that way, and how dare you attempt to impose your personal worldview on mine.  What makes your moral claim any more valid than mine?  Nothing.  Get over it.


Now honestly?  I don't mean any of that, but it is all valid.  And I honestly don't care if people do or don't extract.  I'm personally not going to because theres no incentive.  Bioware could easily have rectified that issue if they had wanted.  They didn't and this is the consequence.

Modifié par Gockey, 25 juillet 2012 - 08:56 .

[dorvak]

is this reaper only?

[belsbern]

IronRush wrote...

Against any enemy or only against reapers count?

 

My question exactly. 

[doc_prime]

Gockey wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Uh, calling someone selfish is not "presenting a moral argument", it's stating an opinion. Your welcome to disagree with it. Someone else agreed with my assessment so I can't be too crazy for feeling the way I did. Putting words into my mouth doesn't help your case.

Ok, well our playstyles differ, I always go for extraction because that's kind of the point of the game even if there is usually no reward for doing so but hey an Operation with an extraction reward that benefits the whole community is totally awesome even if you may not get any use out of it.

Be a teamplayer or not, your choice, but don't expect people to be happy if the Op fails (again). Those little contributions really add up.

Wrong.  You said not completing a, "goal because it doesn't provide personal benefit is extremely poor form." Thereby equating choosing to not complete a goal in which time is wasted and nothing is gained, with a moral failing.  In other words your calling everyone that doesn't conform to your personal view a dishonorable knave (insert your personal insult here).  

The moment you chose to equate my choice with maximinzing my gains and enjoyment in this game by using my time efficiently, with "poor form," you made a moral argument.  Not sure what your difficulty is in understanding this.  

That makes you a bigot.  Because I don't see it that way, and how dare you attempt to impose your personal worldview on mine.  What makes your moral claim any more valid than mine?  Nothing.  Get over it.


Now honestly?  I don't mean any of that, but it is all valid.  And I honestly don't care if people do or don't extract.  I'm personally not going to because theres no incentive.  Bioware could easily have rectified that issue if they had wanted.  They didn't and this is the consequence.

Funny stuff this ...
one would think you are debating something important.

[Gockey]

doc_prime wrote...


Funny stuff this ...
one would think you are debating something important.

Earthshakingly so =)

[Leonia]

Still trying to work out where I said my way was the only way and attempted to push it on anyone, especially when I acknowledged we had different playstyles.

[Parallax Demon]

thewalrusx wrote...

ntrisley wrote...


Fine by me.

I'm not the one who's going to be spending upwards of 3 minutes raging at the host and two of his friends in a match going through Extraction.

Only I'm gonna be the host and you will be the only one raging about how your the only one trying for extraction

So you get yourself killed after completion the wave 10 objective, as this saves time. While when you stay another 3 or 4 minutes (don't know what the penalty this weekend is), you help towards the overall goal and get a Rare card, worth 60k credits. Which mode do you play which give you that much credits in such a short amount of time?

It's fine when you want to farm for credits and everybody in the lobby agrees to do that, but when you want to do it this weekend with randoms; good luck! Really hope for you that you have something else to after the wave 10 objective, because every random will want to go for an extraction.

Modifié par Parallax Demon, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:07 .

[Gockey]

leonia42 wrote...

Still trying to work out where I said my way was the only way and attempted to push it on anyone, especially when I acknowledged we had different playstyles.

You equated your way with right and my way with wrong.  Don't sweat it dude the types on the page now and I think we're both way past it.  Good luck this weekend with the extractions.

Parallax Demon wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

ntrisley wrote...


Fine by me.

I'm not the one who's going to be spending upwards of 3 minutes raging at the host and two of his friends in a match going through Extraction. 

Only I'm gonna be the host and you will be the only one raging about how your the only one trying for extraction

So you get yourself killed after completion the wave 10 objective, as this saves time. While when you stay another 3 or 4 minutes (don't know what the penalty this weeken is), you help towards the overall goal and get a Rare card, worth 60k credits. Which mode do you play which give you that much credits in such a short amount of time?

It's fine when you want to farm for credits and everybody in the lobby agrees to do that, but when you want to do it this weekend with randoms; good luck! Really hope for you that you have something else to after the wave 10 objective, because every random will want to go for an extraction.

 

Math does not compute.  Just because you get a IV Ammo in a SP doesn't make it worth 60k credits.  That just what you pay for it.  Likewise just because I pay 60k for a Typhoon doesn't mean it's worth only 60k.  Your logic is flawed.

Additionally.  We can assume at least 4 minutes safely I believe for the extraction waves (though 5 sounds more likely).  Which means 5 minutes on every match.  Not to mention the consumable cost if your gorup is struggling or you are just an average player.  

So no thanks.  It's not a 60k gain.  You just didn't accoutn for all the variables.

Modifié par Gockey, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:10 .

[Leonia]

I am a little annoyed at the failure of the last op, really wanted that medigel upgrade, so I would really like to see people try to take this next op more seriously (granted the objectives are hardly comparable and we have a better chance this time). We're a community here, it wouldn't hurt to play the game with that in mind.

Modifié par leonia42, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:09 .

[Gockey]

leonia42 wrote...

I am a little annoyed at the failure of the last op, really wanted that medigel upgrade, so I would really like to see people try to take this next op more seriously (granted the objectives are hardly comparable and we have a better chance this time). We're a community here, it wouldn't hurt to play the game with that in mind.

I've recently put on my tin-foil hat and begun to agree with all the conspiracy posts here regarding the two ops we've failed.  Both the weekend before a DLC? Results of the failure announced preternaturally fast in comparison to our succesful Ops?

Meh I don't know that they aren't fixed sometimes.

Regardless, I am annoyed we failed the last one too =)