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[HinDae]

These guys are a real problem.

Every time I spot one in the lobby, I switch in Krogan soldier for his Inferno grenades to help with tech bursts (If it can, I never notice) and to provide consistent fire damage against the myriad or armoured opponents.

But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

This is pretty sad IMO, to me the Demolisher is a classic support character, and yet he absolutely NEEDS every grenade it throws out?

Anyone else have problems with Selfish Demolishers?

[Descy_]

If only they scattered some form of supply pylon across the maps, where you could replenish ammo...

[Broganisity]

They don't know how to make the most of their pylon.

You can put down the pylon and it will instantly drop grenades. Every fourteen seconds* will spawn more grenades. If you have a cooldown of roughly the same time you can get double the amount of grenades every cooldown time.

...but they probably wouldn't share those either. I understand why they hog all the grenades, but they also soak up the ammo for the guns they rarely use by doing that.

*estimated

[Whitemexican]

grenades are their main source of damage, so it makes sense... i wouldn't call it selfish though, unless they are just wasting grenades when unneeded, or when they just waste ammo to stop teammates from taking thermal clips

also the pylon even if you aren't getting ammo is great for teammates given the shield bonus + power/weapon bonus

[L.ast L.ife]

Descy_ wrote...

If only they scattered some form of supply pylon across the maps, where you could replenish ammo...

Oh how I've missed you.

[lastofthefive0s]

You do realize that two of his three abilities are grenade based, right? So without said grenades, he's basically powerless. Yeah, how selfish of him wanting to be able to continue to support his team by being able to, you know, kill enemies.

[HinDae]

I know, its very frustrating... especially when I bring QME w/ Harrier II with the demolishers too...

when I finally unlock Demolisher I plan to share if others bring grenade wielding classes.

[RamsenC]

I spam a lot of grenades when I play this class so I definitely want most grenades out of my pylon. I see it as more of a demolisher (see what I did there) more than a support character. If it was strictly support character I wouldn't play it honestly. You are responsible for your own grenades. Of course I do share, but the vast majority of grenades are going in my pocket.

Modifié par RamsenC, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:13 .

[L.ast L.ife]

lastofthefive0s wrote...

You do realize that two of his three abilities are grenade based, right? So without said grenades, he's basically powerless. Yeah, how selfish of him wanting to be able to continue to support his team by being able to, you know, kill enemies.

True.

I could have sworn the class was named the "Demolisher" and not the "Walking Ammo Dispenser" but maybe I'm just not pro enough of a gamer to see it.

[ProfGast]

As a demolisher player myself, I have no problems sharing grenades (since I can drop 6 in about 16 seconds using the Pylon-drop method) but honestly, a Destroyer Demolisher has no other skills EXCEPT grenades. They need them to stay effective. I'll usually drop my pylon to force-grenades and also run back to it every now and then but if I'm camping or defending a spot, you better bet I'm going to sit on the pylon :-P

That said I've seen a lot of Demolishers act like low-grade sniper infiltrators, i.e. they sit there and never leave the spot ever. Even if there's an escort, a pizza delivery or hack. THAT is wrong.

Otherwise, I'll drop my pylon, you're free to come get grenades from it, but I will be using it to make sure I have plenty of 'nades too.

Edit
@L.astL.ife: You clearly didn't name your Demolisher the right thing.

Modifié par ProfGast, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:18 .

[TeamLexana]

Considering grenades are all they got, that makes sense. Most demolishers I play with don't even spec for fitness, so they rely heavily on their dps from said grenades just to survive. Maybe OP is the one being selfish here.

[HinDae]

lastofthefive0s wrote...

You do realize that two of his three abilities are grenade based, right? So without said grenades, he's basically powerless. Yeah, how selfish of him wanting to be able to continue to support his team by being able to, you know, kill enemies.

You do realize basically every Demolisher carries 2 huge weapons because of said grenade based power spread right?

And imma go out on a limb and say your the precise kind of person im making this post about.

This game isnt 4 guys competing for best score, its 4 guys working together.

[k1ngl1ves]

That's it! I'm taking my pylon and going home! Bring your own damn pylon!!!

[Biotic_Warlock]

If you are playing hydra you don't need to share the pylon since there are 2 ammo boxes which have 2 nades.
I'm sure on 1 map there is an ammo box with 3 grenades.

Also a bad demolisher only uses grenades...
If you use all your grenades wave 1, you are doing it wrong.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:15 .

[BjornDaDwarf]

Grenades are their only offensive power, yes they deserve them. They are still popping out plenty of ammo packs for everyone. Imagine if someone had a power that would artificially lengthen a Biotic users cooldown? Biotics would scream bloody murder (with good reason).

That said, I don't mind sharing some of mine. I tend not to camp my pylon, and I reset it when I need some 'nades in a hurry. But I do not begrudge a Demolisher who wishes to receive most of their supply. That also means that they are a grenade user who is not racing you to every ammo box on the map, leaving you free to grab those.

[Amnesiotic]

I played with a Demolisher last night who was smart enough to put his pylon near an ammo crate. The actual crate was within the supply circle so you were getting 'nades no matter what.

[HinDae]

ProfGast wrote...

As a demolisher player myself, I have no problems sharing grenades (since I can drop 6 in about 16 seconds using the Pylon-drop method) but honestly, a Destroyer has no other skills EXCEPT grenades. They need them to stay effective. I'll usually drop my pylon to force-grenades and also run back to it every now and then but if I'm camping or defending a spot, you better bet I'm going to sit on the pylon :-P

That said I've seen a lot of Demolishers act like low-grade sniper infiltrators, i.e. they sit there and never leave the spot ever. Even if there's an escort, a pizza delivery or hack. THAT is wrong.

Otherwise, I'll drop my pylon, you're free to come get grenades from it, but I will be using it to make sure I have plenty of 'nades too.

Edit
@L.astL.ife: You clearly didn't name your Demolisher the right thing.

This post gave me hope. A well thought out reply other than "But I NEEEED mah naeds!!1"

[RamsenC]

HinDae wrote...

lastofthefive0s wrote...

You do realize that two of his three abilities are grenade based, right? So without said grenades, he's basically powerless. Yeah, how selfish of him wanting to be able to continue to support his team by being able to, you know, kill enemies.

You do realize basically every Demolisher carries 2 huge weapons because of said grenade based power spread right?

And imma go out on a limb and say your the precise kind of person im making this post about.

This game isnt 4 guys competing for best score, its 4 guys working together.

Wrong. You must keep cooldowns fairly low if you want to drop Pylons often enough to keep grenades stocked. You can still use a medium weight weapon though. With that said I stiill drop Pylons for my team even when I'm full, but if I'm not those grenades are mine

Modifié par RamsenC, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:18 .

[Atrumitos]

Go be useful against armor elsewhere. That's a demolisher's job. Plus we're not half as durable as a krogan, to run around picking nades off ammo boxes.

Only classes I set the pylon on are ammo heavy soldiers. Everyone else deserves it way less than me.

Modifié par Atrumitos, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:20 .

[OniEdge]

The other problem people forget about the Demolisher is that Homing Grenade and Arc Grenade take from the SAME POOL. When one gets used up, so does the other.

The other thing is that grenades are the Demolisher's main source of damage. That's not selfish.

Try not to demonize Demolishers because you're too lazy to go around the map gathering grenades. They are NOT a tool for you to use.

Modifié par OniEdge, 24 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[CapShep]

As the selfish demolisher frequent I am, I like to sit right on it until a teammate proves their worth, y'know, basic stuff like propperly using missiles when necessary, revives, etc. then and only then will they be allowed access to my ammo temple

[SnakeEyes]

As someone who recently started playing as a Demolisher, I have mine specced so I'm carrying 10 Grenades and as 2/3 "powers" are grenades, I will stay close to my pylon to get back the 2 that it spits out. That being said, I do regularly do runs to ammo boxes.

If you feel hard done by, go run to the ammo boxes yourself

[Asebstos]

If I'm a Demolisher and there's an MQE or MQI on the team, they are more than welcome to my grenades, since the ones they have are more powerful than mine.

I'm less likely to be generous with say, a vorcha sentinel though.

And the people saying "grenades are all Demolishers have"... I'm pretty sure they often have heavy/effective guns as well. The class is expected to do some shooting, not just sit there and huck grenades constantly.

[HinDae]

TeamLexana wrote...

Considering grenades are all they got, that makes sense. Most demolishers I play with don't even spec for fitness, so they rely heavily on their dps from said grenades just to survive. Maybe OP is the one being selfish here.

I love how most of the counterarguments here are "I need my nades to survive"

Sure, nevermind the Claymore and Typhoon strapped to 7/10 of Demolishers backs, you clearly need those nades more than my Quarian Male Engineer.

[stysiaq]

When I play Demolady, I try to follow all those Harrier wielding Destroyers. I stay mobile, so on maps with 2 nades per box I don't rely on my pylon for nades. I try to play as a support for the team.

For me, the best thing about the pylon is the immediate shield gate it provides, and that alone encourages me to move the pylon where it's needed.

But who I'm trying to fool, I just don't have a Harrier myself