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[Core_Commander]

I wonder if guys who demand "teamwork" from Demos would appreciate it if others would be using your cooldowns for themselves.

"Oh, this charge? I'll be borrowing it for a few seconds. What, you hate teamwork?"

Bah.

[BDelacroix]

Most all the ones I end up with hide the pylon. I've even read they get mad if someone else finds it and picks up a few supplies. I guess its like getting mad if someone gets recharged by the geth engineer turret.

[Lunaticsmith]

You should avoid bringing too many grenade heavy classes in the team to battlefield since there will be shortage of grenades. A krogan soldier can get enough grenades from supply crates but demolisher will be much more efficient if you let her have enough grenades. Good team play =/= lets share everything and hug whole time, move holding hands and never ever split up.

[Rapture1983]

So you want a class that's useless without grenades let you have all the grenades?

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[Sky_Storm]

 think we can all agree at this point that grenade users have a bit more of a limitation in that grenades are finite without some sort of resupply.  demolishers can have a bigger pool of grenades for sure, but that's pretty much all they got.  they don't have the infinite supply of tech or biotic abilities that other classes have.  that said, i think demolishers should have priority in pylon generated grenades.  whether they share or not is up to them, but given the class' abilities, it's more of a lifeline for them.  a demolisher without grenades contributes little compared to the demolisher with grenades...so let them have their grenades and you can spam your other infinite usage abilities.

[Nissun]

BDelacroix wrote...

Most all the ones I end up with hide the pylon. I've even read they get mad if someone else finds it and picks up a few supplies. I guess its like getting mad if someone gets recharged by the geth engineer turret.

What do you consider "hiding the pylon"*? Because when I deploy one I certainly do not drop it in the middle of the battlefield.

And it's not like the geth turret's shield recharge at all. The geth turret boosts up everybody's shields. The pylon only gives out two grenades, and if you've been waiting 12 tedious seconds unable to use any powers, and a sentinel/soldier/vanguard/adept comes up and takes them before you can, well excuse me, but I will get a little mad.

*That sounds like a filthy euphemism.

[Shinter37]

Nissun wrote...

BDelacroix wrote...

Most all the ones I end up with hide the pylon. I've even read they get mad if someone else finds it and picks up a few supplies. I guess its like getting mad if someone gets recharged by the geth engineer turret.

What do you consider "hiding the pylon"*? Because when I deploy one I certainly do not drop it in the middle of the battlefield.

And it's not like the geth turret's shield recharge at all. The geth turret boosts up everybody's shields. The pylon only gives out two grenades, and if you've been waiting 12 tedious seconds unable to use any powers, and a sentinel/soldier/vanguard/adept comes up and takes them before you can, well excuse me, but I will get a little mad.

*That sounds like a filthy euphemism.

Actually, while the pylon gives more max shields, the geth turret is actually a shield recharger.

And while it is best to put the pylon in a good defensible position, hiding it may be standard practice for some until they have teammates who aren't just sitting on their pylon, taking all the nades and not allowing the demolisher access to their own supply.

[RamPuppy]

HinDae wrote...

So im reading over some of the comments in here and am thoroughly unimpressed at the intelligence of some of this community.

You say im selfish for wanting a Demolisher to work more with his team than camp and spam? OK, lets look at that logic for a moment.

Am I selfish for aiming my tech powers at something someone else just hit with Overload? No, im HELPING kill it quicker.

Same applies to biotics, they must be the most selfish classes in the game to want to set up Biotic detonations by aiming at something someone just primed.

Thus, when I want to bring in my MQE because hes infinitely greater when theres a Demolisher in the team, I will.

Save your broken logic for someone less intelligent, and actually play cooperatively.

My Lord - your LACK of intelligence astounds me!  You do realize that your making our argument for us right?  Biotics got biotics, tech classes have tech powers - and Demolishers Got GRENADES. 

As a MQE or a KS - your primary weapons are your weapons. as a biotic - they are your biotics, as a tech user they are tech.  You are entitled to use those and use them well. BUT when a user who has tech powers that are SO powerful they have to be limited by encasing them in slowly produced grenades, and those grenades are the PRIMARY offensive capability of the class, you think your entitled to those grenades huh?

11 pages of people telling you your wrong - and your stubborn lack of understanding is still holding out. 

I sure hope your on Xbox and not PC. Your the worst kind of soldier - the kind that sees only one solution to a problem - you get locked in to an idea and think it's the only way - thus tactically restricting  yourself and condemning yourself to repeated failure.  We Demolishers on the other hand are universally telling you - there are other ways - and yes, we will share when we've topped off our pockets - were not telling you 100% no - were telling you that its far more important for US to have grenades and be at 100% offensive capability - than it is for you to have grenades and run at 120 or 130%.

It amazes me really - on any given map in the past there were what, 6 maybe 8 grenades spawning in ammo boxes -  you could only take one grenade class in per game before the supply got restrictive, now, you have a class that produces 2 grenades every 14.29 seconds - and can carry a max of I think, 11 maybe 12 grenades using gear... thats I think something like 5 or 6 more than any other class ever took into a match - it's like a whole other player has grenades...  and here you are griping that you dont get any.

Nothing changed - every map is still only a one grenade user per map map - more if you stick to the ammo boxes, and way more if there are more than one demolisher... but really - the person whos being a selfish player is you.

[BiowareHeph]

HinDae wrote...

These guys are a real problem.

Every time I spot one in the lobby, I switch in Krogan soldier for his Inferno grenades to help with tech bursts (If it can, I never notice) and to provide consistent fire damage against the myriad or armoured opponents.

But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

This is pretty sad IMO, to me the Demolisher is a classic support character, and yet he absolutely NEEDS every grenade it throws out?

Anyone else have problems with Selfish Demolishers?

It's a grenade-based class.  The selfish person is YOU, who assumes he has the right to leech off someone else's class without even asking.

[bendermac]

HinDae wrote...

These guys are a real problem.

Every time I spot one in the lobby, I switch in Krogan soldier for his Inferno grenades to help with tech bursts (If it can, I never notice) and to provide consistent fire damage against the myriad or armoured opponents.

But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

This is pretty sad IMO, to me the Demolisher is a classic support character, and yet he absolutely NEEDS every grenade it throws out?

Anyone else have problems with Selfish Demolishers?

dude... stfu... they are my nades... all mine :D:D:D:D:D:D

just kidding

[.458]

HinDae wrote...

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You say im selfish for wanting a Demolisher to work more with his team than camp and spam? OK, lets look at that logic for a moment.
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Btw, I'm not saying you are selfish for wanting this. It's even a good idea. But I am saying the demolisher isn't obligated and also isn't selfish. When he throws those grenades, it too is helping the team. FYI, I spend most of my time these days playing QMI. Limited resources just work this way.

Modifié par .458, 25 juillet 2012 - 02:40 .

[Ryan80537]

TC has not unlocked the demolisher. This is the problem.

[Scam_poo]

Uhm... the demolisher is not a support character. The only reason for that pylon to exist is to give grenades to the demolisher, because the whole class is balanced around the fact that you are using a lot of grenades, hence the pylon.

[Mac100]

HinDae wrote...

So i'm reading over some of the comments in here and am thoroughly unimpressed at the intelligence of some of this community.

You say i'm selfish for wanting a Demolisher to work more with his team than camp and spam? OK, lets look at that logic for a moment.

Am I selfish for aiming my tech powers at something someone else just hit with Overload? No, i'm HELPING kill it quicker.

Same applies to biotics, they must be the most selfish classes in the game to want to set up Biotic detonations by aiming at something someone just primed.

Thus, when I want to bring in my MQE because hes infinitely greater when there's a Demolisher in the team, I will.

Save your broken logic for someone less intelligent, and actually play cooperatively.

So your saying i'm selfish because you want to steal all of my grenades and leave me with nothing, instead of picking a character who could, i don't know maybe detonate my tech explosion or set them up for me. Although i see your point, not being first on the all important score board is annoying.

P.s Great logic you got there team player.

[L.ast L.ife]

RamPuppy wrote...

11 pages of people telling you your wrong - and your stubborn lack of understanding is still holding out. 

I think you misspelled 'superiority complex', bro.  No worries.  I got you.

I sure hope your on Xbox and not PC.

Ew...  We don't want the OP either my dude.  Give them to the PS3ers.  No one cares how they feel 99.9% of the time.  Plus they never have to pay for their online service, have the space, and I just switched to public matches instead of inviting my full to bursting friend list so...

Wait... this flawless award winning logic sounds sort of familiar...

Modifié par L.ast L.ife, 25 juillet 2012 - 03:09 .

[Prince Bubblegeth]

HinDae wrote...

So im reading over some of the comments in here and am thoroughly unimpressed at the intelligence of some of this community.

You say im selfish for wanting a Demolisher to work more with his team than camp and spam? OK, lets look at that logic for a moment.

Am I selfish for aiming my tech powers at something someone else just hit with Overload? No, im HELPING kill it quicker.

Same applies to biotics, they must be the most selfish classes in the game to want to set up Biotic detonations by aiming at something someone just primed.

Thus, when I want to bring in my MQE because hes infinitely greater when theres a Demolisher in the team, I will.

Save your broken logic for someone less intelligent, and actually play cooperatively.

and yet , you call THEM Demolishers selfish <_<

When a Demolisher keeps the pylon's grenades for herself because she believes she is infinitely greater when she is continuously stocked with grenades, let her be. 

This made me remember of that time when Resurgence Pack was newly released. My teammates were demanding that I put the Biotic Sphere over them.

Allow me to show you what's going on in a similar situation. My tanky classes will be WAAY more tanky if the justicar would leave her defensively specced bubble around me. But if she decides to use it offesively (warp bubble), I have no right to call her selfish because it is HER bubble and she is better off offensively with it and I am in no way entitled to it. Calling her selfish would be hypocritical if I want the bubble for myself. 

About camping and spamming - you seem to not like the idea of a Demolisher doing that. But isn't she helping to kill things faster by doing that? Keeping herself safe (so she won't have to be revived and will be capable of rescuing you with her stock of grenades once you go down - the very task of a medic) while she supports you by spamming grenades and helping kill things faster? I'd rather have a Demolisher teammate that does that than one who steps aside and goes full-time on her weapons when she's not even specced for weapon damage. 

"Am I selfish for aiming my tech powers at something someone else just hit with Overload? No, im HELPING kill it quicker." 
You don't NEED grenades to set off tech bursts. If you really want everyone at full potential and just freakin' love team-work by setting off tech bursts, why don't you use a character that can detonate tech bursts without having to compete with the Demolisher for her precious grenades?

And please, accusing us of having faulty logic while your arguments have been systematically and constructively proven faulty multiple times is just pathetic and lame. 

Modifié par Prince Bubblegeth, 25 juillet 2012 - 03:26 .

[YuenglingDragon]

This topic misses the point so hard I can barely believe it. When I set up my Pylon somewhere where I'm holing up, I place it right next to me. Not because I'm selfish but because that way I don't have to stand up in the withering hail of bullets to go grab the grenades that are dropped. If it's next to me, they just pop right into my inventory.

Do you want my grenades so much that you want to res me half a dozen times?

[RPGmom28]

I don't play my demolisher very often because of a few bad missions trying to run around and get new grenades at different stations with one or two people standing on top of the pylon waiting for mobs to come to them. Sometimes my favorite teams will ask me to play her to keep them good on ammo in gold matches, but until then I just leave her in the box with the bubble wrap.

[ChurchOfZod]

Get your own goddamn grenades. Without them all I am is a character firing a harrier with no weapon damage bonus.

[EvilDeity]

I'll happily share my supply pylon with the rest of the team, I always get more grenades from it if I need them because I have the ability to re-deploy it and have it instantly provide grenade/s ammo.

I don't spam grenades either, I use arc for shielded enemies and homing for armour, then I clean up with my harrier/piranha.

The demolisher is a support class. Arc grenades are for quickly stripping shields and tech bursting (preferably with another grenade user), while homing grenades are for weakening armour.

If a Destroyer joins my game when I'm playing a Demolisher I rejoice, because I know we are going to clean house. His frag grenades detonate my arc grenades and stagger like crazy, plus he's a lot more survivable than me so I can hang back with my harrier. It's a brilliant combination.

[Qror_pl]

HinDae wrote...
But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

You know, Thermal Clips are straight and hard, and they pop-out so gustily

[Striker93175]

HinDae wrote...

So im reading over some of the comments in here and am thoroughly unimpressed at the intelligence of some of this community.

You say im selfish for wanting a Demolisher to work more with his team than camp and spam? OK, lets look at that logic for a moment.

Am I selfish for aiming my tech powers at something someone else just hit with Overload? No, im HELPING kill it quicker.

Same applies to biotics, they must be the most selfish classes in the game to want to set up Biotic detonations by aiming at something someone just primed.

Thus, when I want to bring in my MQE because hes infinitely greater when theres a Demolisher in the team, I will.

Save your broken logic for someone less intelligent, and actually play cooperatively.

Nothing is stopping you from running to ammo crates to restock just like BEFORE the demolisher.  Worked before.  Still works now.  In fact if the demolisher is restocking off the pylon those crates are all yours man... Nothing is stopping you from popping a thermal clip pack to restock grenades either, demolishers do this too when they have to spam their last 6 your dead corpse to clear the room to revive you or to floor the swam of bosses advancing… 
 
I do snicker the at QME being more powerful, since they are in all actually only minimally and marginal more powerful (and pylon spec’d to increase power dmg by 15% increase by the pylon means th demolisher’s are actually stronger unless the QME is also in the pylon) and add homing w/ tech bursts + debuf + dot demolisher wins over all. I would argue that perhaps had you said QMI due to cloak bonus increase on arc grenades --- perhaps. But still while you question others intelligence 95% of every single reply to you here seems to question yours. 
 
I also fail to understand how a demolisher tossing grenades from his camp post to your area being swarmed is not helping the team? Having had both been the demolisher as well as the one being supported by the demolisher grenades – I don’t question your intelligence I question what it is your smoking cuz its gotta be the good stuff man lol… 
 
Also since it is mobile, maybe it’s just the bronze people you play with but all the demolishers I play with move it at the situation demands… hack, moved… disabled… moved… escort… moved a couple times along the way… 

Modifié par Striker93175, 25 juillet 2012 - 03:54 .

[angeloky]

I don't know, I rarely have too much trouble. However, it helps to join a lobby first and make sure that the entire team isn't composed of grenade oriented players, otherwise, it'll be just a race to the ammo boxes and pylons. I will say that having one other grenade class is ok with the Demolisher, but sometimes they have to respectful. I tend not use grenades as often in the first 5 waves on Gold. After that, things often get a lot more difficult, but I've been using those Thermal Packs that have been piling up. They work well with conjunction with my Cerberus Harrier, playing more like a soldier with grenade spamming when necessary. I do wish other demolishers also didn't place their pylon in such odd places, that shield boost comes in handy when everyone is trying to hold out one location, would be nice to have the pylon up there with them rather in a corner. >.>

[icecoldkilla78]

i have played with the demolisher about every game since the DLC came out. its easy to just put your pylon down where you plan on setting up (especially in gold and platinum) if my teamates come over to the pylon i will either put another one down for them or move so they can get ammo/nades. but if i need the nades to take out a prime/bashee/atlas then i dont hesitate to use them and soak all of them up. there are ammo box fairly close to eachother on every map so player cant get too upset from going to an ammo box to get nades. and if they do get upset then they should just play as a demolisher so they can have their own neverending supply.

Modifié par icecoldkilla78, 25 juillet 2012 - 04:30 .