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[Beerfish]

There are only a few good sit and camp spots so if I find a good spot as in the railing on rio I plop it down there and sit there as long as I can. I have no problem with any of the other team going in to get stuff. I have no problem with the team going into a supply turret I have placed anywhere for the most part. I have had only one game where I got a little miffed and it was when another player flat out out raced me to the turret after every wave leaving me with 2 nades and my ass in the wind.

[.458]

If you are on easier levels demolishers don't need to sit at the pylon, but once things get bad enough it's kind of a necessity. On my other characters there are times on gold that I've hit my "8" button with an ammo crate just inches away, knowing that if I stand up for even that long I'm going to die. Sitting directly with and touching a pylon is a good way to solve that. The same can be said for demolishers using the harrier even on less intense games. With the harrier you use up a lot of bullets instead of grenades, and as things get more intense, it's practically a non-stop need to be on the pylon. Add to this that the demolisher is the one who put the pylon down, and he is already sharing shield bonus. I don't play demolisher much, but I do know there have been times I couldn't get bullets or grenades from my own pylon! Don't be so selfish as to call them selfish sitting next to their own pylon.

[Reddemon159]

HinDae wrote...

These guys are a real problem.

Every time I spot one in the lobby, I switch in Krogan soldier for his Inferno grenades to help with tech bursts (If it can, I never notice) and to provide consistent fire damage against the myriad or armoured opponents.

But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

This is pretty sad IMO, to me the Demolisher is a classic support character, and yet he absolutely NEEDS every grenade it throws out?

Anyone else have problems with Selfish Demolishers?

Yeah I share the ammo all the time. But I do find the occational ass who sits on my own pylon soaking up all the ammo and grenades. So I stop sharing. 

[snackrat]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Selfish or not, which rank 6 upgrade do you demolishers prefer on homing grenades?

I went armour, because I already have Arc Grenades on shields/barriers. It also means hard hits on hardened targets such as banshees, brutes, atlases etc

[Tatsumaki]

I feel that you OP should question your motives. In the opening post you mentioned that you swapped to a grenade using class after seeing a Demolisher in the team. Honestly speaking did you do what you did  with expectations of her being your personal supply cache?

Let's take this from another angle. Let us say the lobby now has 2 other grenade users without a Demolisher. Are you still going to stick to a grenade class having to contest the existing ammo caches in the map? or are you going to take the route of lesser headache and choose non-grenade class?

When you place those two questions together then you will have your answers with regards to a Demolisher's role. Having one myself, I feel that her presence in a team is a bonus. No team member should rely heavily on her. If any player has been making consistant Quake-like-timed rounds to collect grenades from the ammo boxes, please continue to do so rather than expect the poor girl to be your Grenade Wal-Mart.

This I feel is the source of misunderstandings and frustrations. - False Expectations

Modifié par Tatsumaki, 25 juillet 2012 - 05:29 .

[L.ast L.ife]

Karsciyin wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Selfish or not, which rank 6 upgrade do you demolishers prefer on homing grenades?

I went armour, because I already have Arc Grenades on shields/barriers. It also means hard hits on hardened targets such as banshees, brutes, atlases etc

^This.  With Arc specced for full shield and Homing specced for armor it speeds the game up with a competent team.

[Kyerea]

@OP: Let's see what the Demolisher's abilities are shall we?

Supply Pylon - Okay, that has a cooldown and it's a clear power ability.

Arc Grenades - Alright, a grenade, but does that excuse her COMPLETELY selfish nature? Probably not. WHAT A DOUCHEBAG RIGHT?

Homing Grenades - Oh... so she has two grenades. She has TWO grenade slots! So... that means her only real abilities are grenades and they in-turn need constant ammo-replenishing from the Supply Pylon... well isn't that somethin'? Effing crazy, I know.

Modifié par Kyerea, 25 juillet 2012 - 05:45 .

[TeamLexana]

I kinda feel bad. I just played a gold with a random using a female quarian and a level 1 krysae, who kept hogging my pylon and spamming sticky grenades, so I yelled at them and told them to get the hell off of my pylon. Awwww.

I don't mind sharing but it was pretty ridicules. Obvisouly the poor noob needed grenades cuz their gun got nerfed but grenades is my main source of dps, I can't cloak, I got no fitness, oh and I can wipe out entire groups of enemies with my grenades when nooblets don't abuse the pylon. Grrr.

[OblivionDawn]

Kyerea wrote...

@OP: Let's see what the Demolisher's abilities are shall we?

Supply Pylon - Okay, that has a cooldown and it's a clear power ability.

Arc Grenades - Alright, a grenade, but does that excuse her COMPLETELY selfish nature? Probably not. WHAT A DOUCHEBAG RIGHT?

Homing Grenades - Oh... so she has two grenades. She has TWO grenade slots! So... that means her only real abilities are grenades and they in-turn need constant ammo-replenishing from the Supply Pylon... well isn't that somethin'? Effing crazy, I know.

Don't forget the part where a "Pylon-hogging" Demolisher is probably not going to be running around and taking the grenades from ammo boxes.

So yeah, there's no real argument against Demolishers using their own Pylons.

[Stinja]

Reddemon159 wrote...

Yeah I share the ammo all the time. But I do find the occational ass who sits on my own pylon soaking up all the ammo and grenades.

This.

I share, usually place it in one spot and rove the map, redeploying as needed or refresh instant grenades.  But I've had people sit in my pylon and set up a little tent, fire and hammock, and not even take twenty steps to a proper ammo box, and moan about me taking "their" grenades 

To me it seems like it supplies enough for one heavy consumer of clips and grenades, eg: a single harrier user and another (possibly different character) grenade user, or two light users of each ammo type, but not enough to supply a heavy Demolisher grenade user and another, or multiple gun users.

People still need to visit regular ammo crates, but they seem to forget this once a pylon goes down...

[gaminazn]

****, I guess I've been playing the class wrong.

Okay guys, instead of spamming grenades and setting off my own huge tech bursts, I'll just walk around and resupply my team. **** the insane damage my grenade spam does. I guess I'll not camp with the demolisher either....



Anyone who thinks the demolisher is a support class is an idiot. The class is for camping and chucking grenades non stop.

[WizeMan305]

I often camp my pylon, if I happen to pick up grenades, then yes I needed them. After all they are my only power. If they are on the floor and you want them you can have them that's fine. If you want to camp with me thats cool too. But really must I be running from ammo box to ammo box if I want to use my powers? Should I have to battle other players for the pylon I set down? Like I said if I picked them up I needed them if I didn't they are yours.

Its not being selfish, you have to feed yourself before you can feed the needy.

[Shadowsword8]

HinDae wrote...

These guys are a real problem.

Every time I spot one in the lobby, I switch in Krogan soldier for his Inferno grenades to help with tech bursts (If it can, I never notice) and to provide consistent fire damage against the myriad or armoured opponents.

But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

This is pretty sad IMO, to me the Demolisher is a classic support character, and yet he absolutely NEEDS every grenade it throws out?

Anyone else have problems with Selfish Demolishers?

So, you choose your class because want to hog the supply of a class whose gameplay is based on grenades. It seems to me that the selfish one is you.

That guy playing Demolisher doesn't own you anything. Keep that in mind.

[Lord Rosario]

gaminazn wrote...

****, I guess I've been playing the class wrong.

Okay guys, instead of spamming grenades and setting off my own huge tech bursts, I'll just walk around and resupply my team. **** the insane damage my grenade spam does. I guess I'll not camp with the demolisher either....



Anyone who thinks the demolisher is a support class is an idiot. The class is for camping and chucking grenades non stop.

Any class can be a support class. Anyone that doesn't know that is an idiot.

[Rebel_Raven]

Well, I just got my demolisher, and played some games. I have 2 things to say so far:

1: Don't screw with my DPS. I need the grenades more than you do. It's fine to nab grenades if I'm not there, and/or capped off though.

2: For the love of goddess, please don't hump my pylon. Walking back and forth over it won't make it spew out ammo any faster... and it's creepy.

Also I don't understand why I get an "ammo full" icon for grenades when it's painfully obvious I can hold more.

[Mekkloood]

Before the demolisher exist, everybody could supply themselves with nades. So, when i play demolisher, i think the pylon's grenades are mine. If you need them, use your mic and ask.

[TyphoidMegan]

OP are you the jerk that was camping my pylon earlier?

[Kyerea]

gaminazn wrote...

****, I guess I've been playing the class wrong.

Okay guys, instead of spamming grenades and setting off my own huge tech bursts, I'll just walk around and resupply my team. **** the insane damage my grenade spam does. I guess I'll not camp with the demolisher either....



Anyone who thinks the demolisher is a support class is an idiot. The class is for camping and chucking grenades non stop.

This.

While the Supply Pylon does have the added benefit of helping the team, the Demolisher wouldn't be doing her job if she didn't spam the eff out of her own grenades.

Modifié par Kyerea, 25 juillet 2012 - 06:29 .

[Bolo Xia]

i bet you claim that all the other classes are selfish for using their own powers.
what a selfish and greedy...
infiltrator -> he used TC with out making me cloak too.
vanguard -> how come he gets shields restored from charge and didnt share with me.
sentinel -> why does he get to have extra shields all the time and he doesnt buff mine.
adept -> why does he get DR from reave it should clearly give some to me every time too.
soldier -> why can he shoot faster than me all the time why dont i get the buff when he turns it on.
engineer -> why dont i get to deploy a drone/decoy/turret when he deploys one.

clearly we are all being ripped off by selfish greedy teammates that are using their powers for their own benefit.
i bet you are pissed when a teammate uses their powers without your permission too.

so if you see me when im playing a demolisher and im spamming my grenades then you had best hit the ammo box to get your grenades, because you are simply screwing up my power recharge timers since all my powers are grenades save for the pylon.

the demolisher is not a support class at all they are a damage dealer, unless you have some knuckle head jacking all their grenades.

[gyuuniku]

HinDae wrote...

lastofthefive0s wrote...

You do realize that two of his three abilities are grenade based, right? So without said grenades, he's basically powerless. Yeah, how selfish of him wanting to be able to continue to support his team by being able to, you know, kill enemies.

You do realize basically every Demolisher carries 2 huge weapons because of said grenade based power spread right?

And imma go out on a limb and say your the precise kind of person im making this post about.

This game isnt 4 guys competing for best score, its 4 guys working together.

put yourself in glacier platinum, dispense grenades and do nothing else but shoot your weapons that you didn't spec damage for, see how they feel about you "working together"

[Koenig888]

I will be more than happy to let everyone else have all my nades when I get a "walking ammo crate" character. Until then, my Demolisher will demolish. My team-mates can still have my nades if I have enough though, provided they don't sit on my pylon.

[humes spork]

Stinja wrote...

I share, usually place it in one spot and rove the map, redeploying as needed or refresh instant grenades.  But I've had people sit in my pylon and set up a little tent, fire and hammock, and not even take twenty steps to a proper ammo box, and moan about me taking "their" grenades 

Don't get mad, get passive aggressive. 

Stock up fully between waves, then place your pylon in an area that's utter suicide in which to go try to restock. Then back off and camp an ammo crate for grenades. It's what I'd do.

While the Supply Pylon does have the added benefit of helping the team, the Demolisher wouldn't be doing her job if she didn't spam the eff out of her own grenades. 

The flip side of this, of course, is that I regularly see demolisher players chucking their entire grenade supplies at two or three husks and maybe a marauder, then promptly browning their pants when flashlight ****** shows up and running to deploy and camp a pylon somewhere very, very far away from danger.

Just because you can spam grenades doesn't mean you should. Discretion still counts for a lot.

Modifié par humes spork, 25 juillet 2012 - 06:44 .

[Joryn01]

I only camp on the pylon for good sniping positions. London and Rio being examples. However maps where we run around I usually drop it and only drop it again elsewhere if i need it, otherwise everyone has a tendency to meet back up where the pylon is. Kind of a great way to get the squad together before the next wave or at the beginning of a wave.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

As a Demolisher i place my Pylon wherever my allies are taking cover but sometimes they dont use ammo or grenades so it makes more sense for me to take all the grenades