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[B.Shep]

Grenades are the Demolisher powers, so yes i don't share my grenades with others players especially since i play mostly on gold and platinum sometimes.

[Rebel_Raven]

Maybe people overestimate the supply of grenades a pylon gives? It's not that damned much, or that damned often, bluntly.

[Bolo Xia]

what if.... there wasnt a demolisher on the team..... how would you get your grenades then?

*plays annoying "Dundundun Duuuun" music*
zomg teh ammo boxes that have been around since... like... forever wow im glad we just learned about them!!

[Lukeman1884]

1.*Uses own power*
2.*Benefits from own power*
3.*Is deemed selfish*
Makes sense to me.

Demolishers have 2 grenade powers, and 1 power which supplies them. Methinks this means that Demos are supposed to use grenades. Doesn't take a genius to add two and two together. See, I don't get where this idea came from that Demolishers are supposed to be relegated to support roles. A Demo with a Harrier and grenades will probably be better than most other classes at ripping through enemies. Before Demolishers were around, grenade users did fine without needing pylon drops, so I don't see why that changes. Just because I'm dropping supply pylons, DOESN'T mean you get to be lazy and not hit ammo boxes. If I'm maxed, by all means, take some, but don't think it's my job to give you grenades, because it isn't. Or else Demolishers wouldn't have been given grenade powers.

[snfonseka]

Broganisity wrote...

They don't know how to make the most of their pylon.

You can put down the pylon and it will instantly drop grenades. Every fourteen seconds* will spawn more grenades. If you have a cooldown of roughly the same time you can get double the amount of grenades every cooldown time.

...but they probably wouldn't share those either. I understand why they hog all the grenades, but they also soak up the ammo for the guns they rarely use by doing that.

*estimated

The concept is correct but it is a hard thing to do in Platinum according to my experience. It's hard to concentrate on that when you are under fire from many boss enemies. 

[snfonseka]

HinDae wrote...

These guys are a real problem.

Every time I spot one in the lobby, I switch in Krogan soldier for his Inferno grenades to help with tech bursts (If it can, I never notice) and to provide consistent fire damage against the myriad or armoured opponents.

But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

This is pretty sad IMO, to me the Demolisher is a classic support character, and yet he absolutely NEEDS every grenade it throws out?

Anyone else have problems with Selfish Demolishers?

Get inside my Pylons' affected area then you'll het extra sheild + extra wepon damage ; or wait..... you want more?   you want my only offensive power source also.... that's too bad. <_<

[Kastrenzo]

I only hog grenades from my own pylon when ravagers, brutes, hunters etc are swarming

[Rickochet101]

HinDae wrote...

These guys are a real problem.

Every time I spot one in the lobby, I switch in Krogan soldier for his Inferno grenades to help with tech bursts (If it can, I never notice) and to provide consistent fire damage against the myriad or armoured opponents.

But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

This is pretty sad IMO, to me the Demolisher is a classic support character, and yet he absolutely NEEDS every grenade it throws out?

Anyone else have problems with Selfish Demolishers?

[kil_edward93]

lastofthefive0s wrote...

You do realize that two of his three abilities are grenade based, right? So without said grenades, he's basically powerless. Yeah, how selfish of him wanting to be able to continue to support his team by being able to, you know, kill enemies.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Miriad]

It's either a troll or well... Not a very good player is the NICE way to put it.

[Ket-Bo]

Miriad wrote...

It's either a troll or well... Not a very good player is the NICE way to put it.

Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

[shards7]

Stop complaining. The supply pylon is a support power, yes, but the demolisher should have first dibs on grenades. Their powers are grenades, did...you not know this? Their nades are very specific to get their own fire/tech bursts, if you take that away from them, YOU are the greedy one.

[DESTRAUDO]

Op, when they bring in a share inferno grenade button for you to use we can talk.

[squidney2k1]

Probably the same players as the pre-nerf selfish Infiltrators. Scratch that, they're much worse.

[Bhatair]

When I play demolisher I typically put down a pylon then camp by it as usual. I'll use 2-3 grenades, pick up the ones on the ground then drop another pylon which spawns 2 more grenades. Then I just pretty much repeat that process for the whole match really. Let's me keep topped off for pretty much the whole match.

That said I'm never to fussed about people using my pylon to restock ammo/grenades. That's what it's there for. But then again I did play a drell adept for a large portion of the game early on so I'm used to the whole grenade thing. Besides I only had 3 to work with back then and now I have 8 so It's really not that big of a deal to me if someone takes the grenades.

[Rokayt]

If the devastator didn't have grenade powers of their own, they would give you some boom boom. Unfortunately, that isn't the case. All they have are grenades.

So, you cant blame them for making use of them.

[SlimJim0725]

Use an ammo crate? I try to keep a medium cooldown and spam my grenades as demolisher since I have no fitness. I don't mind sharing if I am full, but my grenades are used very often either keeping myself or someone else alive. How about not using a grenade character when you play with a Demolisher since that is their main focus? When I see one in the lobby I switch to a character that can help them a bit by not using their precious grenades, but still make use of the pylon.

[ted striker33]

HinDae wrote...

These guys are a real problem.

Every time I spot one in the lobby, I switch in Krogan soldier for his Inferno grenades to help with tech bursts (If it can, I never notice) and to provide consistent fire damage against the myriad or armoured opponents.

But then, I spot said demolisher set up his/her Pylon and sit RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, soaking up all grenades as it spits them out.

This is pretty sad IMO, to me the Demolisher is a classic support character, and yet he absolutely NEEDS every grenade it throws out?

Anyone else have problems with Selfish Demolishers?

Selfish Krogan...you'd probably be happier if no one had grenades, lol:D.... Just run to the ammo and get your own!! 

[shards7]

[quote]ted striker33 wrote...

[quote]HinDae wrote...

These guys are a real problem.



Selfish Krogan...you'd probably be happier if no one had grenades, lol:D.... Just run to the ammo and get your own!! 

[/quote]


Thank you!  Let the demolisher have her grenades, she will share only if she wants!

[minverik]

Once upon a time people would have to go and get their own grenades. Back then (the stone ages) people knew how (and when) to use ammo crates. Now there's a class that can mass produce nades and nobody seems to remember that those crates are still there. I've gotten to the point where I don't play the N7 Engi in randoms when people have mics since people love to demand that you let them use your pylon. I'm not saying I'm going to always hog it (I carry two heavy weapons too), but sometimes the level 10 guy in the room doesn't need those nades as much as me. And sometimes the suicidal Vanguard Doesn't need them either. But any time I don't Immediately need grenades or you legitimately need them more: I'm more than happy to share.

[Epsilon330]

That's because the Demolisher's prowess comes from her ability to spam grenades. She has no other defining abilities or powers. Krogan Soldiers have durability, Carnage, Fortification and heavy Melee-Charge.
Demolishers, on the other hand, are much weaker, and only have grenades as viable offensive powers. They need them more than you do. Much more.

[.458]

Drake Malice wrote...

As a Demolisher i place my Pylon wherever my allies are taking cover but sometimes they dont use ammo or grenades so it makes more sense for me to take all the grenades

Some people have actually complained about other players taking their pylon grenades...seems stupid. Pylons would have never been added if it wasn't a team aid, and I'm glad BW did it that way. I find that it is just better to not take the grenades if there is another choice. I really wish there were a way to mark a pylon as friendly or unfriendly. To even have to make that distinction sucks. As the creator of a pylon though, nobody should ever complain that you use it or even touch it directly where you sit. I'm glad there are people who want the pylon to be shared, I know when I put them out I do...if I'm using a harrier though, I sit touching it.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

Asebstos wrote...

If I'm a Demolisher and there's an MQE or MQI on the team, they are more than welcome to my grenades, since the ones they have are more powerful than mine.

I'm less likely to be generous with say, a vorcha sentinel though.

And the people saying "grenades are all Demolishers have"... I'm pretty sure they often have heavy/effective guns as well. The class is expected to do some shooting, not just sit there and huck grenades constantly.

 true, mine usually carries a reegar and a typhoon for some support firing. Cooldowns aren't much a concern for the class since there's no need to try and drop pylons every few seconds. Even with my pylon, i'll still run by ammo crates to replenish my supplies (almost necessary when one is carrying 8 or more nades' at a time) It's just first come first served in my opinion.

[.458]

Epsilon330 wrote...

That's because the Demolisher's prowess comes from her ability to spam grenades. She has no other defining abilities or powers. Krogan Soldiers have durability, Carnage, Fortification and heavy Melee-Charge.
Demolishers, on the other hand, are much weaker, and only have grenades as viable offensive powers. They need them more than you do. Much more.

Demolishers are astonishing kill power when they use a harrier while touching the pylon...they don't even need grenades most of the time then. What I'd really love to see are 4 pylons with 4 demolishers clumped closely together and using 4 harriers. That would be a really fun death machine.

[SoulShadowX]

here is how you deal with the "selfish demolisher". don't play with one and you won't have to worry about seeing the demolisher be a pylon hog or better yet use game lobby communications and ask the person playing as the demolisher if they are willing to share the contents of their pylon. having no mic or choosing not to talk is your fault you tend to run into "selfish demolishers". you can't blame them for wanting to shoot of a few shots from their gun either since it would be wasteful to use 2-3 grenades on one foe to get a kill. here is another thing you can do to avoid this problem and that is bring your own demolisher. its not a support class it is more of a "convenience class" which basically makes it just a tad bit more convenient when getting ammo/grenades instead of running away from the fight to restock.