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[Tonymac]

To me, its just obvious that the devs hate the game. Every week, another weapon or class is nerfed. Then they go back and partially un-nerf guns - etc. It makes them look worse than the yammering idiots that are calling for all of the nerfs. If you have no skill, STFU and go play another game, or L2P. Why do the devs only listen to whiners and haters? Why nerf a class so bad that its just not fun anymore? Are you telling me you really screwed it up that badly in the creation of the class? If you are that bad, quit your job in shame and go flip burgers. There is no way you should have a job if you got it that wrong - period.

It gets rather old when all they do is kill classes and swing a nerfbat because of a quarian with a tummy ache that cannot keep up. Some classes are support. Others are the hammer and anvil. Get over it. Not all classes will have the same DPS - and only some classes can solo the game. Crying about it and raping the class was not the answer. Those who call for the nerfs are baddies - otherwise they would play the class and smash face like the rest of us.

It gets to the point where I don;t care what the devs do anymore. MP was the only good part of ME3 - and they are working furiously hard to kill that too.

[Inject-]

Sacramentum wrote...

deliciousmoothies wrote...


We'll send you an invite. 

You forgot your little arrow mr. troll.

On topic: Snipers are far from worthless. Geth Inf with a sniper with piercing can wreck enemies before they even enter the room. Kishock can trash all non boss mobs. Kyrasae has longrange stagger. BW and Valient are two of the best guns in the game. Mantis is good vs trash and is light weight.

Actually talking to said persons friend. Seems pretty cool.

[A Wild Snorlax]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Wait, so ALL sniper rifles are bad?

...

I KNEW the Valiant was a SMG!!

Go try it on platinum, then try again with a decent shotgun. It's a peashooter. Decent for killing grunts on gold, but that's it. Same with the black widow really.

The single shot snipers are just plain ineffective.

[IsilZhaSB]

xsmiv wrote...

CaptainTeabag wrote...

Shadow Strike - To risky to use in Gold or Platinum because enemies murder you during your strike animation (even when you cloak from cover before you use SS - even if you have TC evolution 6 'one free power use.'

Shadow strike can be used reliably and effectively on Gold - you just have to be smart about picking your targets.  Haven't tried the Shadow on Platinum yet.

Yep, SS owns face on Gold - got mine spec'd out to still OHK all non-heavies.  Can 2-shot phantoms and nearly brutes (possible to spec for more damage so that's possible as well.)

[Mash3d]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

If you actually think that snipers are better at killing armor or even come close to shotguns in that aspect and that you need to get dangerously close with shotguns to be effective you are clearly completetly clueless and most likely a bad player, sorry. 

Please dont purposely misenterpret me, its obnoxious, and insults wont get anyone anywhere. By definition, shotguns are designed to be most effective in CQC situations. CQC will always pose more risk than staying at Long Range.  Yes, you can use a shotgun and remain deadly at a safer distance, just like you can still get shot to peices at long range if you're not careful. 

The Black Widow, the Widow, and the Javelin all have innate armor-piercing capabilities, and completely ignore Armor damage mitigation. Shotguns require the Shredder mod to eplicate this effect. 

Im not saying that shotguns, pistols, and assault rifles are useless in the hands of an infiltrator. I have torn up my fair share of Brutes with a Talon IV. My MQI uses the Cerberus Harrier exclusively. 

What I am saying, and what you seem to ignore, is that a sniper rifle is just as excellent a weapon in the hands of an infiltrator as any shotgun, if not better due to sniping-centered bonuses that infiltrators recieve. They can also use shotguns effectively, but so can Batarians, vanguards, krogan, and vorcha. Infiltrators can utilize the Sniper Rifle more effectively than any other class.

[Atheosis]

Mash3d wrote...
What I am saying, and what you seem to ignore, is that a sniper rifle is just as excellent a weapon in the hands of an infiltrator as any shotgun, if not better due to sniping-centered bonuses that infiltrators recieve. 

Have you actually used the Piranha on an Infiltrator?  No sniper rifle comes even remotely close to that.

[Homey C-Dawg]

CaptainTeabag wrote...

Shadow Strike - To risky to use in Gold or Platinum because enemies murder you during your strike animation (even when you cloak from cover before you use SS - even if you have TC evolution 6 'one free power use.'

Complete and utter nonsense.

[megawug]

Atheosis wrote...

Mash3d wrote...
What I am saying, and what you seem to ignore, is that a sniper rifle is just as excellent a weapon in the hands of an infiltrator as any shotgun, if not better due to sniping-centered bonuses that infiltrators recieve. 

Have you actually used the Piranha on an Infiltrator?  No sniper rifle comes even remotely close to that.

IMHO, the problem on platinum is that enemies close in really fast.  And with lots of boss-type units, there is no way to really hold back the enemy with a SR.  The Krysae was an aberration, which I really didn't want to use.  So it's simply easier to wield a shotgun on platinum.

[Mash3d]

Atheosis wrote...

Mash3d wrote...
What I am saying, and what you seem to ignore, is that a sniper rifle is just as excellent a weapon in the hands of an infiltrator as any shotgun, if not better due to sniping-centered bonuses that infiltrators recieve. 

Have you actually used the Piranha on an Infiltrator?  No sniper rifle comes even remotely close to that.

Yes, on the Shadow. I find that it fits her CQC playstyle.

Have you actually used the Valiant on any other Inflitrator? No other gun can reliably pull off 3 headshots at Long Range, spelling death to Phantoms, Pyros, Marauders, and the like, even on platinum, in a single clip, with a reload of .2 seconds, except perhaps the Black Widow. As far as I can tell, only the Infitrator can pull all of that off.

Try that with a Pirahna, you will hit only air unless you come into CQC, possibly medium range with Smart Choke. from here it only takes about 3-4 shots to accomplish the same effect, but with the added risk of being closer to the fight, closer to instakills, and presuming you used your cloak to get into range, have some sort of escape plan. 

Again, shotguns are a great pairing for infiltrators, but they can utilize he already excellent sniper rifles better than ANY OTHER class.

Modifié par Mash3d, 25 juillet 2012 - 01:16 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I asked my Widow X what she thought of this thread and she said BOOM clickityclack BOOM clickityclack BOOM... She went on like that for quite some time.

[Tipsyfresh]

ted striker33 wrote...

The Saber is the new best sniper rifle

Yeap. Got it to IX and I gets gold headshot medals eurrytime

[RoZh2400]

OP, buddy....you're doing it wrong.

[kkiller619]

tru dat

[usctrojanbulldog]

Didn't bother reading any of the responses to this absolutely ridiculous post, but I'd like to point out, there are weapons that work well for sniping.

1) The Saber - If you know how to snipe with this weapon, you will most likely never equip another for the purposes of sniping.

2) Valiant - For those of us that have it, it is the best sniper rifle in the game.

3) Black Widow - Awesome

Last, if you're that bent on shield gate, carry a Acolyte with ULM. Very low weight and rips shields better than any Sniper Rifle ever has.

[jpan89]

Haven't picked up a sniper rifle since the TC nerf. I kinda do miss it though. Only thing that'll bring me back is either if they restore the kishock to it's former glory or have the Javelin bypass shieldgate.

But until then, it's the claymore for me.

[TeamLexana]

CaptainTeabag wrote...

Javelin - shield gate penetration REMOVED

Kishock Harpoon Gun - shield gate penetration REMOVED

Krysae - damage nerfed TWICE, Rate of fire decreased, Recoil Increased, Zoom Recoil Increased, Total ammo capacity dropped. (In other words this gun is now a slow firing low damage useless piece of dren.

All Sniper Rifles - no longer get headshot bonus on bosses.

All Sniper Rifles - cannot penetrate shield gate.


Add this to the nerfs they gave to Infiltrator

Tactical Cloak - 90% of enemies see through this and 'look behind the curtain' to detect where u are.

Tactical Cloak - base cloaking decreased to 4 seconds!

Tactical Cloak - Evolution 6 Sniper Rifle Bonus Damage decreased by 15%

Shadow Strike - To risky to use in Gold or Platinum because enemies murder you during your strike animation (even when you cloak from cover before you use SS - even if you have TC evolution 6 'one free power use.'



You have successfully ruined an entire class, Bioware.

Agreed on all but Shadow Strike. I SS like a madwoman on Gold. It's the only infiltrator I enjoy playing on Gold. The SS and her movement speed actually allows me to finally drop aggro effectively and zip around the battlefeild to you.. "infiltrate" enemy lines effectively and play medic to fallen squadmates.

[MrFuddyDuddy]

Mgamerz wrote...

I don't remember there ever being shield gate removal of Javelin, Kishock. They never had it to begin with. Kishock had a bug that got fixed.
Also, how is 'SR' not bypassing shield gate making it useless? What other gun that shoots 1 bullet bypass shield gate
Your claims of shieldgate do not hold up.

It was a "balance change" awhile back that decreased gold shield bypass from 15% damage or so to 0%. Which basically translates into on gold even if the enem your shooting has 1 Shield left and you headshot him with a cloaked Geth Infiltrator with a Level X Javelin all that will happen is you will destroy its shields leaving its health untouched. Sound fair? What they did was pretty much make all hit detection sniper rifles completely useless, more so if there single shot. Basically removed the whole point of using a sniper rifle on Infiltrators.

[WARMACHINE9]

Widow Black widow and vailant seem fine to me. R.I.P. Krysea, Poor thing sacrificed to the Troll God Nerf.

[dday3six]

They aren't useless, but they are severely lacking. If anything they desperately need someway to bypass the shield gate. Either through a mod or ammo equipment. Once headshots were removed from bosses they started to slip, and after TC's nerf they pretty much fell to the wayside.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Mash3d wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

If you actually think that snipers are better at killing armor or even come close to shotguns in that aspect and that you need to get dangerously close with shotguns to be effective you are clearly completetly clueless and most likely a bad player, sorry. 

The Black Widow, the Widow, and the Javelin all have innate armor-piercing capabilities, and completely ignore Armor damage mitigation. Shotguns require the Shredder mod to eplicate this effect. 

What I am saying, and what you seem to ignore, is that a sniper rifle is just as excellent a weapon in the hands of an infiltrator as any shotgun, if not better due to sniping-centered bonuses that infiltrators recieve. They can also use shotguns effectively, but so can Batarians, vanguards, krogan, and vorcha. Infiltrators can utilize the Sniper Rifle more effectively than any other class.

This is were you once again prove your lack of a clue. Snipers are nowhere near as effective as shotguns on infiltrators, not even close. Their damage output is a joke compared to what you can do with shotguns on infiltrators, even with the 25% boost. An infiltrator with any sniper, even a black widow x with lots of equipment will get outshined every time by aninfiltrator of the same skill level with a piranha/claymore/GPS.

As for innate armor piercing, that doesn't really matter as you can easily put on AP or warp ammo to bypass the armor DR. If you try to argue that snipers are better for killing armor than shotguns then I really don't know what to say. A claymore can 2 shot brutes on platinum in one cloak cycle, try doing that with a widow or black widow, it will take you at least twice as long. Or take the piranha for an even bigger advantage for shotguns.

Also shotguns are good on every class, thanks for repeating what I've allready said. Another nail in the coffin for snipers, who are only good on infiltrators, but even then they are lackluster and outclassed. Considering their lack of utility they should at least be great on infiltrators. They are not.

I'm not hating on snipers, I want them to be good. I enjoyed sniping with the widow and black widow on gold when the game first came out. But after several direct and indirect nerfs + buffs to the claymore and the addition of new powerful weapons there is no reason whatsoever to use them anymore without feeling like I'm gimping myself in a big way, and this is on gold. On platinum they feel even weaker and more useless. Major buffs are needed.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 25 juillet 2012 - 01:31 .

[Yubz]

Now you know how everyone who wasn't a Infiltrator with a sniper rifle has felt all this time.
Apparently their balancing policy is no to make every class and every weapon equally good but to make them equally suck.

[Atheosis]

Mash3d wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mash3d wrote...
What I am saying, and what you seem to ignore, is that a sniper rifle is just as excellent a weapon in the hands of an infiltrator as any shotgun, if not better due to sniping-centered bonuses that infiltrators recieve. 

Have you actually used the Piranha on an Infiltrator?  No sniper rifle comes even remotely close to that.

Yes, on the Shadow. I find that it fits her CQC playstyle.

Have you actually used the Valiant on any other Inflitrator? No other gun can reliably pull off 3 headshots at Long Range, spelling death to Phantoms, Pyros, Marauders, and the like, even on platinum, in a single clip, with a reload of .2 seconds, except perhaps the Black Widow. As far as I can tell, only the Infitrator can pull all of that off.

Try that with a Pirahna, you will hit only air unless you come into CQC, possibly medium range with Smart Choke. from here it only takes about 3-4 shots to accomplish the same effect, but with the added risk of being closer to the fight, closer to instakills, and presuming you used your cloak to get into range, have some sort of escape plan. 

Again, shotguns are a great pairing for infiltrators, but they can utilize he already excellent sniper rifles better than ANY OTHER class.

I've used the Valiant plenty.  You have to score those three headshots to begin to compare to the raw power of the Piranha.  And against bosses those headshots mean nothing.

[ted striker33]

deliciousmoothies wrote...

UKStory135 wrote...

ted striker33 wrote...

The Saber is the new best sniper rifle

The Paladin and Scoped Talon have been the best for a long time.

----> That is not a sniper rifle! It is a assault rifle! Dummy...

sarcasm>you

[DullahansXMark]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Wait, so ALL sniper rifles are bad?

...

I KNEW the Valiant was a SMG!!

Go try it on platinum, then try again with a decent shotgun. It's a peashooter. Decent for killing grunts on gold, but that's it. Same with the black widow really.

The single shot snipers are just plain ineffective.

Nyehh, fair enough (though I beg to differ on the Gold's Grunts-Only part), but shotguns on Platinum, while they are the most effective weapon, still barely do anything... *sigh* They really need to add some smaller units to Platinum, those are what classes like the Battlemaster's good for. And then we could actually bring a sniper rifle into the game that could actually do something substantial.

We asked for Platinum, not boss rush mode.

[A Wild Snorlax]

DullahansXMark wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Wait, so ALL sniper rifles are bad?

...

I KNEW the Valiant was a SMG!!

Go try it on platinum, then try again with a decent shotgun. It's a peashooter. Decent for killing grunts on gold, but that's it. Same with the black widow really.

The single shot snipers are just plain ineffective.

Nyehh, fair enough (though I beg to differ on the Gold's Grunts-Only part), but shotguns on Platinum, while they are the most effective weapon, still barely do anything... *sigh* They really need to add some smaller units to Platinum, those are what classes like the Battlemaster's good for. And then we could actually bring a sniper rifle into the game that could actually do something substantial.

We asked for Platinum, not boss rush mode.

 Claymore with the right equipment can 2 shot brutes on platinum and one shot ravagers I think, on infiltrators if you proxy mine first. Piranha can take out atlas' shields + half it's armor in one magazine, on infiltrators once again. GPS can kill a brute in 3 or 4 shots. All assuming you are using high level equipment though.

I agree on the boss spam mode part though, it's pretty lame. And it makes snipers even less effective than they are on gold sadly.