WHOM EVER YOU CHOSE TO ROMANCE NEEDS TO ME ON THE SQUAD!!!! Ashley and Liara???? come on, I will give Bioware credit for being clever and sweeping the ME2 squad under the rug in such a way but they are not fooling anyone, they picked the cheapest route possible CAMEOS.
Don't give me that "they could have died crap" your LI should have been a no brainer for a squadmate Bioware, maybe they could die or sacrafice themselves on a mission or maybe they would get the option of leaving for some other rhym, reason, or purpose but they should have been on the character selection screen somehow, period. VERY LAME
The one thing Bioware absolutely needs to implement via DLC in order to save ME3 and the replay value of the whole franchise
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#2
Posté 24 juillet 2012 - 11:46
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The "they could have died" doesn't fly PERIOD.
Mordin has a high rate of death on the Suicide Mission and he gets the emotional high of the game. Wrex can die on Virmire and his death gives a nice twist to the Genophage cure.
Everyone else should have recieved the same treatment.
Mordin has a high rate of death on the Suicide Mission and he gets the emotional high of the game. Wrex can die on Virmire and his death gives a nice twist to the Genophage cure.
Everyone else should have recieved the same treatment.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 01:33
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I had at least figured that your LI would gain Permenant Squad Status in Mass Effect 3 but instead Bioware wrote them into situations that can kill them off I mean look at Miranda & Jack both were written into the game with ways to be killed off its cheap writing nothng more nothing less.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 01:36
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Jack can die in ME3?
Miranda is in the best condition of the ME2 Squaddie Romances (as in introduced to the squad in ME2) and she still lacks miserably. Jack follows in second with Jacob in third and Thane in last.
At least with Jacob, you get recognition that he was romanced. Its poor but at least he knows you guys were together. Thane doesn't and then promptly dies no matter what you do in one of the most painful ways possible.
Miranda is in the best condition of the ME2 Squaddie Romances (as in introduced to the squad in ME2) and she still lacks miserably. Jack follows in second with Jacob in third and Thane in last.
At least with Jacob, you get recognition that he was romanced. Its poor but at least he knows you guys were together. Thane doesn't and then promptly dies no matter what you do in one of the most painful ways possible.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:05
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If you delay the Grissom Academy mission too long, Jack and her students get taken by Cerberus, and Jack is turned in to a pathetic Phantom that you fight later. Leave it to Cerberus to actually depower the most powerful human biotic in the galaxy when experimenting on her.
The thing that really angers me is that there is no indication that you'll find Jack on that mission. She isn't exactly talking about becoming a teacher at the end of ME2. So, the player doesn't really feel any urgency to do that mission. Whether this means the writers wanted her dead, well, I'm not saying it's Bioware, but, it's Bioware. They sure did put a lot of effort in to making sure she can get killed before and during the suicide mission, back in ME2.
The thing that really angers me is that there is no indication that you'll find Jack on that mission. She isn't exactly talking about becoming a teacher at the end of ME2. So, the player doesn't really feel any urgency to do that mission. Whether this means the writers wanted her dead, well, I'm not saying it's Bioware, but, it's Bioware. They sure did put a lot of effort in to making sure she can get killed before and during the suicide mission, back in ME2.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:17
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LanceSolous13 wrote...
At least with Jacob, you get recognition that he was romanced. Its poor but at least he knows you guys were together. Thane doesn't and then promptly dies no matter what you do in one of the most painful ways possible.
Hmmmm....switch Thane and Jacob up, and that paragraph still works from a Jacob fan POV.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:27
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Mmmm...
ME2 squad (LI) death list (where an how they can die):
Jack: 6 possible deaths.
- No Normandy armor upgrade.
- unloyal, escorting the crew.
- bad biotic in the long walk, killed by swarmer.
- bad leader in the long walk, killed by a bullet in the gut.
- low average squad score during hold the line.
- unloyal boss fight.
Garrus: 7 possible deaths.
- No Normandy cannon upgrade.
- Killed in the vents.
- Killed by swarmers in the long walk.
- unloyal leader during the long walk.
- unloyal, escorting the crew.
- unloyal boss fight.
- unloyal, extreme low average squad score.
Jacob: 6 possible deaths.
- Killed in the vents.
- Killed by swarmers in the long walk.
- unloyal escorting the crew.
- unloyal leader in the long walk.
- unloyal, low average squad score in holding the line.
- unloyal boss fight.
Thane: 7 possible deaths.
- No Normandy cannon upgrade.
- Killed in the vents.
- unloyal, escorting the crew.
- bad leader during the long walk.
- killed by swarmers in the long walk.
- unloyal, low average squad score in hold the line.
- unloyal boss fight.
tali: 7 possible deaths.
- No Normandy barrier upgrade.
- killed in the vents (unloyal or bad leader).
- unloyal, escorting the crew.
- killed by swarmers in the long walk.
- bad leader in the long walk.
- low average squad score in hold the line.
- unloyal biss fight.
Miranda: 2 possible deaths.
- unloyal, low average squad score.
- unloyal boss fight.
So, from those 6 LI, Miranda, Jack and Jacob are whom have less dead scenarios, but they were only cameos in the game.
bioware, I'm disappointed.
ME2 squad (LI) death list (where an how they can die):
Jack: 6 possible deaths.
- No Normandy armor upgrade.
- unloyal, escorting the crew.
- bad biotic in the long walk, killed by swarmer.
- bad leader in the long walk, killed by a bullet in the gut.
- low average squad score during hold the line.
- unloyal boss fight.
Garrus: 7 possible deaths.
- No Normandy cannon upgrade.
- Killed in the vents.
- Killed by swarmers in the long walk.
- unloyal leader during the long walk.
- unloyal, escorting the crew.
- unloyal boss fight.
- unloyal, extreme low average squad score.
Jacob: 6 possible deaths.
- Killed in the vents.
- Killed by swarmers in the long walk.
- unloyal escorting the crew.
- unloyal leader in the long walk.
- unloyal, low average squad score in holding the line.
- unloyal boss fight.
Thane: 7 possible deaths.
- No Normandy cannon upgrade.
- Killed in the vents.
- unloyal, escorting the crew.
- bad leader during the long walk.
- killed by swarmers in the long walk.
- unloyal, low average squad score in hold the line.
- unloyal boss fight.
tali: 7 possible deaths.
- No Normandy barrier upgrade.
- killed in the vents (unloyal or bad leader).
- unloyal, escorting the crew.
- killed by swarmers in the long walk.
- bad leader in the long walk.
- low average squad score in hold the line.
- unloyal biss fight.
Miranda: 2 possible deaths.
- unloyal, low average squad score.
- unloyal boss fight.
So, from those 6 LI, Miranda, Jack and Jacob are whom have less dead scenarios, but they were only cameos in the game.
bioware, I'm disappointed.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:40
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Agree with the OP.
It would have meant alot to those who romanced ME2 LI's. And many playthroughs would be unique and as such urge players to replay the game more. And oh yes "Thane and Jack are dead for ME3 newcomers" how about a Genesis comic for ME3 then?
Hm?
To decide who lived or died throughout ME1 and ME2? Again, replayability no?
I mean Miranda and Jack (and technically Samara) are no-brainers. They could easily join your squad even with the way the story currently plays in ME3. Just some kind of Paragon/Renegade persuation and voila! Your LI lady of choice is on the Normandy!
As for Jacob and Thane I guess a little more TLC would be necessary.
For Jacob, I'd get rid of the whole "I ditched you and hooked up with Brynn" business. In fact I'd say the solution CastonFolarus came up with is the best solution I've seen when it comes to Jacob (Yes it rocks Caston. It really does).
For Thane, a treatment of some kind for Kepral's would work (and lore-wise there are treatments) and no it isn't that "unrealistic" that a Siha could persuade Thane into getting some kind of treatment. And lo and behold, he would be strong enough to survive the "awsum ninja fite" and have Leng running away. And no it wouldn't remove "le tragic death scene" for those who didn't romance him.
And if for some reason people go "Oh noes but I don't want to get ME2 squaddies back", then don't persuade them. And your Vanilla flavour isn't ruined at all. And the rest of us can enjoy our LI flavour of choice. Win-win no?
It would have meant alot to those who romanced ME2 LI's. And many playthroughs would be unique and as such urge players to replay the game more. And oh yes "Thane and Jack are dead for ME3 newcomers" how about a Genesis comic for ME3 then?
Hm?
To decide who lived or died throughout ME1 and ME2? Again, replayability no?
I mean Miranda and Jack (and technically Samara) are no-brainers. They could easily join your squad even with the way the story currently plays in ME3. Just some kind of Paragon/Renegade persuation and voila! Your LI lady of choice is on the Normandy!
As for Jacob and Thane I guess a little more TLC would be necessary.
For Jacob, I'd get rid of the whole "I ditched you and hooked up with Brynn" business. In fact I'd say the solution CastonFolarus came up with is the best solution I've seen when it comes to Jacob (Yes it rocks Caston. It really does).
For Thane, a treatment of some kind for Kepral's would work (and lore-wise there are treatments) and no it isn't that "unrealistic" that a Siha could persuade Thane into getting some kind of treatment. And lo and behold, he would be strong enough to survive the "awsum ninja fite" and have Leng running away. And no it wouldn't remove "le tragic death scene" for those who didn't romance him.
And if for some reason people go "Oh noes but I don't want to get ME2 squaddies back", then don't persuade them. And your Vanilla flavour isn't ruined at all. And the rest of us can enjoy our LI flavour of choice. Win-win no?
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 03:20
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I'd like to have Thane have the posibility of living if you secured his Loyalty in ME2. Because, He was my Bro. And Bros don't allow Bros to die.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 03:41
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True. I have no problems for a non-romanced Thane to survive. Indeed Thane-bro is one serious bro. But perhaps a higher persuasion check or something? Like convincing him to undergo treatment for the sake of Kolyat and his friend? In a romance It would be easier since there's the Siha part in the picture too but it would not be impossible for a Thane-bro.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:00
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This is exactly what I believed they would do in me3...I stayed away from the leaked scripts, and just thought on everything sort of logically. It made sense. And the whole dead squaddie thing means nothing. Consider this for a moment. DAO and DA2; I 'll break it down:
DAO:
1) You do not have to recruit Zevran and Leliana, yet both are romanceable.
2) Most of the companions can die or be avoided in recruiting. And, you can CHOOSE to use the same companions for EVERYTHING. This doesn't stop BW from making the animations and recording the VO's for ALL possible material in game. Even if you never recruit Leliana, her character and VO are still included on the disk, for example.
DA2:
1) Fenris and Isabella are NOT required to recruit, but both are LI's.
2) Most companions can leave/be sold/die.
3) In Legacy and MotA, you can choose to play either DLC after the game(where up to 5 companions can already be dead/gone.)
4) you can choose to take the same group through the majority of the game, and the same group through the 2 DLC's, yet ALL characters got voiced for the DLC's and all the quests that give voice to other companions regardless of being used or not.
What do these add up to?? As @Emerald says, "Replayability!" Doesn't matter if they can die; this was still what many assumed would happen, and in many cases expected.
DAO:
1) You do not have to recruit Zevran and Leliana, yet both are romanceable.
2) Most of the companions can die or be avoided in recruiting. And, you can CHOOSE to use the same companions for EVERYTHING. This doesn't stop BW from making the animations and recording the VO's for ALL possible material in game. Even if you never recruit Leliana, her character and VO are still included on the disk, for example.
DA2:
1) Fenris and Isabella are NOT required to recruit, but both are LI's.
2) Most companions can leave/be sold/die.
3) In Legacy and MotA, you can choose to play either DLC after the game(where up to 5 companions can already be dead/gone.)
4) you can choose to take the same group through the majority of the game, and the same group through the 2 DLC's, yet ALL characters got voiced for the DLC's and all the quests that give voice to other companions regardless of being used or not.
What do these add up to?? As @Emerald says, "Replayability!" Doesn't matter if they can die; this was still what many assumed would happen, and in many cases expected.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:36
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Was trying to think of something insightful and witty...
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 10:13
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I wish Bioware would release a Patch or fix it so Shepard can Remove the Helmets from the Suits of Armor seriously its annoying that you can't have it off in all instances except when absolutely necessary situations like as an example I would say Mars Surface and other than when it is needed no Helmet.
Make it Happen Bioware
Make it Happen Bioware
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 07:41
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Being on the Normandy does not mean that the character is now AMAZING! *looks at Ash*
ME2 did not see Liara on your team but with just one mission ... wow! I would not trade that for her on the Normandy telling Shepard, "Can we talk later? I'm busy." Instead, I got to see where she lived, had some great banter and a story focused on her.
That is what I was hoping for with all the characters ... at least one amazing moment with them. Bioware can give us DLC's for these characters and if the quality is comparable to LotSB then I'm all for that. I'd prefer that over Miranda leaning against a chair and me clicking on her for Zaeed-style comments.
ME2 did not see Liara on your team but with just one mission ... wow! I would not trade that for her on the Normandy telling Shepard, "Can we talk later? I'm busy." Instead, I got to see where she lived, had some great banter and a story focused on her.
That is what I was hoping for with all the characters ... at least one amazing moment with them. Bioware can give us DLC's for these characters and if the quality is comparable to LotSB then I'm all for that. I'd prefer that over Miranda leaning against a chair and me clicking on her for Zaeed-style comments.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 09:47
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Thanes does have a disease that's going to kill him anyway... So what more do you want out of that?
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 09:51
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PMC65 wrote...
Being on the Normandy does not mean that the character is now AMAZING! *looks at Ash*
ME2 did not see Liara on your team but with just one mission ... wow! I would not trade that for her on the Normandy telling Shepard, "Can we talk later? I'm busy." Instead, I got to see where she lived, had some great banter and a story focused on her.
That is what I was hoping for with all the characters ... at least one amazing moment with them. Bioware can give us DLC's for these characters and if the quality is comparable to LotSB then I'm all for that. I'd prefer that over Miranda leaning against a chair and me clicking on her for Zaeed-style comments.
You sir/madam, have taken the words I wish I had had right out of my mouth.
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Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 06:01
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Monster20862 wrote...
Thanes does have a disease that's going to kill him anyway... So what more do you want out of that?
There are three Chekhov's Cures (Guns) in Mass Effect for him...
-He talks of one in the very first conversation on the Normandy
-Shadow Broker Files discuss a Lung Transplant
-Medi-gel for the Lungs
None of these are explored or brought up ever again...
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Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 03:42
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LanceSolous13 wrote...
Monster20862 wrote...
Thanes does have a disease that's going to kill him anyway... So what more do you want out of that?
There are three Chekhov's Cures (Guns) in Mass Effect for him...
-He talks of one in the very first conversation on the Normandy
-Shadow Broker Files discuss a Lung Transplant
-Medi-gel for the Lungs
None of these are explored or brought up ever again...
Hell, Cerberus itself creates improved medigel for use on Hanar and Drell and casts it aside as a failed development.
As Shepard says at the time, "Only Cerberus would count this as a failure."
