It is very unlikely you will ever see "The hero of Ferelden" in DA3 or any future DA title ever again. References and the like are probably what you are going to get if anything. (This is mainly due to The Warden being a silent hero, also doesn't help that coding/transfering "your" Warden into DA3 all the way back from Origins/Awakening would be a real ya know.., and adding a voice to a silent hero that you the player created can cause people to give negative feed back if it wasn't to their liking and that it isn't "their" Warden anymore.) There is probably a much higher chance that you will see Hawke though making a cameo somewhere. An extremely high chance of hearing references about Hawke.
Will Dragon Age 3 continue the Grey Warden story or Hawk's story?
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#77
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:49
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my earsZukota wrote...
rolson00 wrote...
no they're not continueing the warden and hawks story because they care they have both gained dedicated fans and BW dont won't to ruin them for the fans,. and i hope we're not native Orlaisain i'd rather be fereldonPhillyB wrote...
iPoohCupCakes wrote...
DA3 will have a new protagonist that i believe will be located in Orlais ( Oh dear god we will have to listen to people with the same accent as Queen Anora's assistant the elf ) And Bioware does not, i repeat DOES NOT give a rats ass about Hawke or The Grey Warden.
If we're in Orlais we may as well be Orlaisian(Orlesian?), what's one more French accent gonna hurt?
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 12:01
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Zukota wrote...
WardenWade wrote...
Androme wrote...
dsl08002 wrote...
think of how a good compromise it would be if Bioware could let us fans choose who to play as
import warden, import hawke or play as a new character
with each different stories
They are capable to do this,
it would be excellent
i want to hear my warden say:
" i wont stand by and watch while ferelden gets destroyed!
**** YES YES YES THIS I HAVE BEEN DREAMING OF THIS, PLEASE BIOWARE DO THIS
I would love some day to reprise my Warden:wub: That, and the inclusion of race options/origins that such a thing would necessitate, would be absolutely ideal. A preorder for me.
A pre order of the biggest baddest special edition available. Or is that just me?
It isn't just you, Zukota, not if I have anything to say about it!
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 12:37
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 06:24
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I don't care about having to re-do my Warden's face or him having a voice I didn't choose. I just want the option to pick him back up again for a new story; and to find out what happened with him, Morrigan, and the child.
Give me that option and I will buy the biggest pre-order you have Bioware!
Give me that option and I will buy the biggest pre-order you have Bioware!
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 02:29
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It is more popular than you think..Megakoresh wrote...
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TBH I found DA2 companions far more interesting than any of DAO's Alistair's humour was funny at first but soon became rather grinding talking to Sten was like trying to talk to a Vorlon(Babylon 5),Wynne was far more interesting in the books than the games and Morrigan's "I hate everyone" EMO attitude became tiresome by the midpoint and the same could be said of Zevran's "flirt with anything that has a pulse" attitude, As for Anders he seemed like Alastair but with a ponytail.
As for the OGB i could really give a monkeys the only reason i choose the Dark Ritual is because all the other endings are flat out rubbish.
I dont really care for playing a Warden again either the so much more to Thedas than "The Wardens"
Somehow I doubt that this kind of opinion is very popular
I too found the DA2 companions a lot more interesting than most of the DAO. Sten was such a a clichee it was painful. Leliana was pretty bland to me, so was Wynne. Morrigan, Zevran, Oghren and Alistair were ok but Fenris, Merril, Anders and Varric pwn them in depth of story. Aveline, Isabella and Sebastian were shallow and annoying, like Leliana and Wyne but the rest of the team more than made up for them. And I love how you could put 2 "frenemies" on a team - Merril and Fenris, Isabella and Aveline, etc.. and watch the fireworks
With that said, Wardens pay a very heavy price for their ability to battle darkspawn. They are unquestionably the heroes of Thedas, even though most people in authority resent them. They should have a big role on DA games.
Dragon Age: Asunder was a great book and I hope we see more of the mage / templar war. I would love to see a DA3 where Wardens side with mages battling the Chantry and Templars
:wub:PS: And please add cameos by Hawke, Anders, Warden, Alistair, Morrigan, etc..
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 06:07
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Renmiri1 wrote...
It is more popular than you think..Megakoresh wrote...
jbrand2002uk wrote...
TBH I found DA2 companions far more interesting than any of DAO's Alistair's humour was funny at first but soon became rather grinding talking to Sten was like trying to talk to a Vorlon(Babylon 5),Wynne was far more interesting in the books than the games and Morrigan's "I hate everyone" EMO attitude became tiresome by the midpoint and the same could be said of Zevran's "flirt with anything that has a pulse" attitude, As for Anders he seemed like Alastair but with a ponytail.
As for the OGB i could really give a monkeys the only reason i choose the Dark Ritual is because all the other endings are flat out rubbish.
I dont really care for playing a Warden again either the so much more to Thedas than "The Wardens"
Somehow I doubt that this kind of opinion is very popular
I too found the DA2 companions a lot more interesting than most of the DAO. Sten was such a a clichee it was painful. Leliana was pretty bland to me, so was Wynne. Morrigan, Zevran, Oghren and Alistair were ok but Fenris, Merril, Anders and Varric pwn them in depth of story. Aveline, Isabella and Sebastian were shallow and annoying, like Leliana and Wyne but the rest of the team more than made up for them. And I love how you could put 2 "frenemies" on a team - Merril and Fenris, Isabella and Aveline, etc.. and watch the fireworks
With that said, Wardens pay a very heavy price for their ability to battle darkspawn. They are unquestionably the heroes of Thedas, even though most people in authority resent them. They should have a big role on DA games.
Dragon Age: Asunder was a great book and I hope we see more of the mage / templar war. I would love to see a DA3 where Wardens side with mages battling the Chantry and Templars
PS: And please add cameos by Hawke, Anders, Warden, Alistair, Morrigan, etc..
Funny, my favorites were Isabella(my Hawke's LI), Varric, Aveline and Anders(for the most part), better than I liked Fenris(emo/brooding always annoys me, and he had a hatred for mages that totally disregarded my frienship with him) and Merril(her ignorance was almost as destructive as her stupidity). I hated Sebastian, nothing but a chantry wh*** in my opinion, and pretty flat at that.
I liked Oghren's personality, Morrigan was my Warden's LI(I tend to pick the misunderstood ones, or the ones with past emotional damage from bad relationships) I loved her sense of humor and Claudia Black can make anyone sexy with that voice. Shale was one of my favorites, if not my absolute favorite. Sten started off being a pain, but getting to know him, I really liked him. I have moments where I'm almost as punny as Alistar and got quite a few laughs from him. Zevran was highly amusing, even when he hit on me (I'm straight) he did it in a funny way, and even when I messed up with his conversations in a playthrough and had him betray and try to kill me, I still enjoyed the way he did it. Wynne was my least favorite, with Lelliana being close behind, but I didn't hate either of them.
Overall, I liked the characters more in DA:O than DA2, both had great casts with good chemestry, but DA:O takes it. At least, in my opinion.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 06:53
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Characters in DA2, I think were not really worse per se. It's just that the game was so obviously rushed that there was very little involvement with them compared to Origins.
For example: in Origins you could always talk to the character at any given time and get to know them better, ask about things and so on. In DA2 what you get are auto dialogues with a few mission-related dialogues, similar to Mass Effect 3, which was a failure.
In DA2 characters also were not as involved in missions as in Origins. When playing Origins there was a good reason to take Leliana for a chantry-related mission, Morrigan or Wynne for a magic-related mission. Taking Shale to deep roads definitely reveals something very interesting. In DA2 Varric is about the only one who can play a semi-important role in a mission, that is not directly related to him.
All in all DA2 was like DA: Origins^1/2 (square root). Copy/paste everywhere and little effort put into the game. big concern is that Mass Effect 3 was, though worse, still similar in many ways, especially in how it degraded from ME1 and ME2. I hope they learn from this and give us a solid DA3, I would not was BioWare to go down like that.
For example: in Origins you could always talk to the character at any given time and get to know them better, ask about things and so on. In DA2 what you get are auto dialogues with a few mission-related dialogues, similar to Mass Effect 3, which was a failure.
In DA2 characters also were not as involved in missions as in Origins. When playing Origins there was a good reason to take Leliana for a chantry-related mission, Morrigan or Wynne for a magic-related mission. Taking Shale to deep roads definitely reveals something very interesting. In DA2 Varric is about the only one who can play a semi-important role in a mission, that is not directly related to him.
All in all DA2 was like DA: Origins^1/2 (square root). Copy/paste everywhere and little effort put into the game. big concern is that Mass Effect 3 was, though worse, still similar in many ways, especially in how it degraded from ME1 and ME2. I hope they learn from this and give us a solid DA3, I would not was BioWare to go down like that.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 08:37
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Honestly I think there is a great deal of potential in the Mage-Templar war story, but BioWare just has to do it correctly. The fact that you couldn't side with Thrask/ take a more moderate road in DAII still has me pissed. This is a highly complex issue in Thedas, and if they don't recognize that they've already set themselves up more than 2 factions, then I likely won't be buying the game.
That being said, there's a ton going on that they need to clarify/ clean up from both games. The Chantry is in utter turmoil, ie officially the Seekers and Templars at at war with the mages... But some Seekers and mages are working for the Divine to aid the mages, and then other mages are just cray-cray. I'm hoping that some templars (ahem Greagoir and Cullen) also choose to side with the Divine. How exactly their going to deal with this issue will majorly impact the franchise. And clearly Leliana will be involved... I think the game will likely take place after Asunder, so Wynne is dead, but Rhys and Evangeline will probably appear. I think the fact that Rhys' father was a templar does need to be worked in somehow... Not as a major thing, but all us fangirls want to know if its Greagoir, lol. And likely Grand Enchanter Fiona will make an appearance, so maybe the whole Alistair thing will get cleared up too... And the whole "chantry controls the lyrium" thing might make those rebel templars a wee bit antsy with their addictions and all. This is really going to be a Dragon Age soap opera, methinks.
Then there's the whole Orlesian civil war... And did Morrigan have a part in it? If you don't do the Ritual, the epilogue slide leaves you to infer that she's very involved in the Orlesian court before she returns to the Dragonbone Wastes. So whether its an OGB deal or just Morrigan stirring up trouble, I think we can more or less bank on her being in the game.
Something will likely also be going on between Orzammar and Kal Sharok. I'd really like origin choices concerning who was crowned to be a factor, but who knows. And DAII left some unanswered questions with the Primeval Thaig; ie did the dwarves once have magic?
And since we all really, really really want to know about Tevinter, I'm guessing they'll try to work in that angle. It wouldn't be too hard; with the Orlesian Chantry countries set aflame because of magic, the Tevinter magisters and the Black Divine will likely try to take advantage of it somehow... The Orlesian bard system does leave a rather large weakness for exploitation by foreign agents provocateurs.
And based on the Alistair or Anora codex entry from DAII, Fereldan and Orlais may be renewing old enmities... Not to mention that if HNF warden married Alistair or Anora was Queen in any way shape or form, there is going to be a succession crisis in Fereldan
With the Elves... Anyone notice that The Dales is in Orlais? Maybe they'll have the Arlathvhen (the meeting of the Dalish clans) take place in Orlais. Something also needs to be done about the Alienages... And since the University of Orlais in Val Royeaux is producing some liberal minded thinkers who are stirring up unknown problems, perhaps they'll try to help the plight of the elves.
And maybe its because I played an Amell warden and really liked the"family of heroes" thing, but maybe Charade Amell or the unmentioned siblings of the Amell warden make an appearance, as they are mages. As for the Warden, BioWare does owe us some sort of closure... We all know s/he will die in the deep roads around 9:60 Dragon due to the Calling (if the US wasn't performed), but I think my Warden would make an awesome First Warden. Disappearing to Weisshaupt is totally a legit thing, unlike just randomly vanishing for unspecified reasons. Just a codex entry or something.
As for Awakening, other than Nate and Anders/Justice, the other Awakening companions haven't made an appearance if they lived. Although I have to say, I for one am done with Oghren. Didn't care to see him at Vigil's keep, don't particularly want to see him in DAIII. I actually kept calling him Gimli for some reason... That's how much I cared about Oghren. In terms of the story, there has to be some sort of fallout for siding with the Architect...
And other than that really strange, illogical transformation of Orsino into a Harvester, nothing has yet been done with the whole "accidently set loose a horde of the nastiest abominations ever" from Amgarrak.
Witch hunt was just one big question mark. I hope they have something to match that-- like this whole mage templar deal is just another scheme of Flemeths to hide something far darker.
As for Hawke... other than the potentially interesting political ramifications of F!Hawke as Viscountess marrying Sebastian as Prince of Starkhaven, I don't really care. My M!Hawke is likely enjoying life on a pirate ship with Isabela, off the coast of Rivain. With his companions, Merill and Fenris seem like good candidates to make an appearance. Maybe Varric too.
With this whole new protagonist, I think they should go midway between Origins and DAII. Have a small list of different people you could play as. Half the fun of origins were the different perspectives... I think that if DAIII is what we suspect it is, it'd be fun to play as a Seeker, a blood mage, an aequitarian mage, a rebel templar or a loyal templar, just to get the most out of the game, rather than playing different iterations of Hawke.
That being said, there's a ton going on that they need to clarify/ clean up from both games. The Chantry is in utter turmoil, ie officially the Seekers and Templars at at war with the mages... But some Seekers and mages are working for the Divine to aid the mages, and then other mages are just cray-cray. I'm hoping that some templars (ahem Greagoir and Cullen) also choose to side with the Divine. How exactly their going to deal with this issue will majorly impact the franchise. And clearly Leliana will be involved... I think the game will likely take place after Asunder, so Wynne is dead, but Rhys and Evangeline will probably appear. I think the fact that Rhys' father was a templar does need to be worked in somehow... Not as a major thing, but all us fangirls want to know if its Greagoir, lol. And likely Grand Enchanter Fiona will make an appearance, so maybe the whole Alistair thing will get cleared up too... And the whole "chantry controls the lyrium" thing might make those rebel templars a wee bit antsy with their addictions and all. This is really going to be a Dragon Age soap opera, methinks.
Then there's the whole Orlesian civil war... And did Morrigan have a part in it? If you don't do the Ritual, the epilogue slide leaves you to infer that she's very involved in the Orlesian court before she returns to the Dragonbone Wastes. So whether its an OGB deal or just Morrigan stirring up trouble, I think we can more or less bank on her being in the game.
Something will likely also be going on between Orzammar and Kal Sharok. I'd really like origin choices concerning who was crowned to be a factor, but who knows. And DAII left some unanswered questions with the Primeval Thaig; ie did the dwarves once have magic?
And since we all really, really really want to know about Tevinter, I'm guessing they'll try to work in that angle. It wouldn't be too hard; with the Orlesian Chantry countries set aflame because of magic, the Tevinter magisters and the Black Divine will likely try to take advantage of it somehow... The Orlesian bard system does leave a rather large weakness for exploitation by foreign agents provocateurs.
And based on the Alistair or Anora codex entry from DAII, Fereldan and Orlais may be renewing old enmities... Not to mention that if HNF warden married Alistair or Anora was Queen in any way shape or form, there is going to be a succession crisis in Fereldan
With the Elves... Anyone notice that The Dales is in Orlais? Maybe they'll have the Arlathvhen (the meeting of the Dalish clans) take place in Orlais. Something also needs to be done about the Alienages... And since the University of Orlais in Val Royeaux is producing some liberal minded thinkers who are stirring up unknown problems, perhaps they'll try to help the plight of the elves.
And maybe its because I played an Amell warden and really liked the"family of heroes" thing, but maybe Charade Amell or the unmentioned siblings of the Amell warden make an appearance, as they are mages. As for the Warden, BioWare does owe us some sort of closure... We all know s/he will die in the deep roads around 9:60 Dragon due to the Calling (if the US wasn't performed), but I think my Warden would make an awesome First Warden. Disappearing to Weisshaupt is totally a legit thing, unlike just randomly vanishing for unspecified reasons. Just a codex entry or something.
As for Awakening, other than Nate and Anders/Justice, the other Awakening companions haven't made an appearance if they lived. Although I have to say, I for one am done with Oghren. Didn't care to see him at Vigil's keep, don't particularly want to see him in DAIII. I actually kept calling him Gimli for some reason... That's how much I cared about Oghren. In terms of the story, there has to be some sort of fallout for siding with the Architect...
And other than that really strange, illogical transformation of Orsino into a Harvester, nothing has yet been done with the whole "accidently set loose a horde of the nastiest abominations ever" from Amgarrak.
Witch hunt was just one big question mark. I hope they have something to match that-- like this whole mage templar deal is just another scheme of Flemeths to hide something far darker.
As for Hawke... other than the potentially interesting political ramifications of F!Hawke as Viscountess marrying Sebastian as Prince of Starkhaven, I don't really care. My M!Hawke is likely enjoying life on a pirate ship with Isabela, off the coast of Rivain. With his companions, Merill and Fenris seem like good candidates to make an appearance. Maybe Varric too.
With this whole new protagonist, I think they should go midway between Origins and DAII. Have a small list of different people you could play as. Half the fun of origins were the different perspectives... I think that if DAIII is what we suspect it is, it'd be fun to play as a Seeker, a blood mage, an aequitarian mage, a rebel templar or a loyal templar, just to get the most out of the game, rather than playing different iterations of Hawke.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 12:37
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I've played Orlesian Warden Commander in Awakening already and I'm not interested to replay the same role.King Killoth wrote...
I think the best possible story is to play as a new wardend charged with finding the warden comander and hawke.
Hawke? I better spend my time watching cinema than controlling the looser passive Hawke. I don't pay $60 just to be an errand boy in a RPG or to direct an idiotic hopless preset character like Hawke. I pay to play the hero's role and my own story according to how I choose MY path/choices through MY character/avatar. Not directing some dumb preset passive character and get railroaded all the way from the beginning until the end. It's bore me.
I've already experienced the special authority of the warden. I don't need to walk all over the map. Walking all over Ferelden and Amarantine is enough already.King Killoth wrote...
this allows the game to take place over all the map and being a warden gives you that specail athority option.
Companions? The only former companions I care is Morrigan. I hope DA 3's companions will be 10x better than both DA 2 and Origins.King Killoth wrote...
It would make the story about finding the compaions of both hawke and the warden comander.
Mage templar war doesn't concern me or my warden. It never is and never will. I don't give a damn about Hawke. He/she is not my character. Whatever he/she did in DA 2 is his/her own problem. Not mine. To me his/her story is over in ACT II. I have little interest to follow up his/her story and mage templar conflict.King Killoth wrote...
all wail the mage templar war is rageing around you. this also fits into gathering compaions of your own some even former compaions of the warden and hawke that ask to join the new warden.
My actions from both games?King Killoth wrote...
it as a story point allows for the first two stories to be told to new players to the DA franchise aswel as tieing in both save game stories arching over from DAO and DA2 so your actions from both games are carried over to the new but seen from a new point of veiw.
What actions?
I choose ultimate sacrifice but DA refuse to acknowlge it unless I recon my warden through Awakening.
I choose dark ritual and OGB with Morrigan but DA refuse to acknowlge OGB.
I choose to be neutral in DA 2 and where does it end? Nothing. Meaningless.
So what my actions or choices are you talking about?
There is none.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 10:36
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BobSmith101 wrote...
DA played its hand too early. Nothing existing is really more interesting than that Blight/Grey Wardens. It's the DA version of the Reapers.
It's like going from playing a Jedi to playing a Nerf Herder.
Hawke is just dull and the Warden has too many variations.
I thought it was good to get it out of the way since pretty much everything in the DA world is more interesting and fun than the GW and the blight, IMO (probably not a populair one
). OP: I'm glad we're getting a new protagonist in every game. I think it fits the Dragon Age universe.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 11:35
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Master_Anthony wrote...
I don't care about having to re-do my Warden's face or him having a voice I didn't choose. I just want the option to pick him back up again for a new story; and to find out what happened with him, Morrigan, and the child.
Give me that option and I will buy the biggest pre-order you have Bioware!
Exactly what I would like to see:
Walking through that mirror to "some" realm till the time is right makes sense to me. The way I see it, all roads lead to whatever the hell flemmeth is preparing for. The hero of ferelden worked for flemmeths abitions from start to end, morrigan joining and save urself making a kid. Hawke transported flemmeth so that certain eyes where no longer upon her, bigger picture. Hawke has also raised chaos with the magi circles, and templars so a few crusades are abound, combined with the architect making smart darkspawn, etc sounds like the world will soon be at each other's throats and ripe for that "change" which flemmeth is preparing for. Perhaps the maker is coming...and he isn't quite the maker.... or the single demon aspect of creation/existence itself.
The story for the heroe of ferelden can continue but only from a decided point, as he may have died in other instances, example... went with morrigan or stayed behind, but he did seek her out.
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Posté 05 août 2012 - 01:06
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I think there are already so many story arcs they can use. Arlathan and the lost Elven legacy. Mage x Templar x Chantry. Orzamar sucession. Tevinter Empire, Qunari invasion. Wardens History and legacy. Orlesian civil war. Ferelden invasion by Orlais...
Just boggles the mind that they can't expand on those instead of creating yet another story arc.
Just boggles the mind that they can't expand on those instead of creating yet another story arc.
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Posté 05 août 2012 - 03:14
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They have too much going on to wrap it up in one more game, and that's without adding to it with a new arc.
I still want my Warden back, and almost everyone else who wants him/her back shares my sentiment; we don't care if we have to redo the face and stick with a generic voice so long as we can conclude things.
I don't want to have to deal with Orlais' affairs, too much French and French accents in my ears will bug me. But if I'm going to be surrounded by them, the character that I play may as well be one of them; that way I can feel more invested in what goes on in their borders. Being a foreigner in a foreign land makes me feel more like a tourist than someone who should be shaping their politics.
I still want my Warden back, and almost everyone else who wants him/her back shares my sentiment; we don't care if we have to redo the face and stick with a generic voice so long as we can conclude things.
I don't want to have to deal with Orlais' affairs, too much French and French accents in my ears will bug me. But if I'm going to be surrounded by them, the character that I play may as well be one of them; that way I can feel more invested in what goes on in their borders. Being a foreigner in a foreign land makes me feel more like a tourist than someone who should be shaping their politics.
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Posté 05 août 2012 - 09:27
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King Killoth wrote...
I think the best possible story is to play as a new wardend charged with finding the warden comander and hawke. this allows the game to take place over all the map and being a warden gives you that specail athority option. it would make the story about finding the compaions of both hawke and the warden comander. all wail the mage templar war is rageing around you. this also fits into gathering compaions of your own some even former compaions of the warden and hawke that ask to join the new warden. it as a story point allows for the first two stories to be told to new players to the DA franchise aswel as tieing in both save game stories arching over from DAO and DA2 so your actions from both games are carried over to the new but seen from a new point of veiw.
I would like to see you start as an Orlesian warden though. Start in Orlais and work onward from there ...eventually returning to Orlais for whatever Gaider has up his sleeve.
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Posté 06 août 2012 - 11:38
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I would like to see you start as an Orlesian warden though. Start in Orlais and work onward from there ...eventually returning to Orlais for whatever Gaider has up his sleeve.
Not sure what you mean, but if you meant that we could travel between countries, then I 150% agree.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 01:23
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I hope in dragon age 3 you can choose your origin like in DAO it made more sense and you could see the story from different angles.
Needs more events that are forged by the main character as Hawk was on a conveyor belt.
Needs more events that are forged by the main character as Hawk was on a conveyor belt.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 01:47
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It'll surely be a new character. There may be cameos or involvement from Hawke/The Warden, but this isn't a trilogy. I'm not expecting it. I think everyone is sure the kid born of DAO is going to be the main character of a game eventually. I think then we'll see The Warden, Hawke, and whoever else in at least a mentor role during some training montage before he goes off to face Flemmeth or Batman or whoever the baddie will be.
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Posté 09 août 2012 - 03:14
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The Mage v. Templar issue shouldn't be quite so simple as mages v. templars. Yes, that's a major conflict and needs to be resolved, though not necessarily in one game. As a background setting for games it has opportunities . . .
Anyway, back to my point. You have Blood Mages and almost everybody is against blood mages. It's that whole mind control thing. Therefore most Blood Mages will find themselves in conflict with templars, other mages, etc.
Templar/Chantry zealots who truly believe that all magic is evil or that the power of the Chantry must be inviolate. They will never compromise.
Mages fighting for more freedom, but might be amenable to compromise.
Templars fighting to contain/control the mages, but might be willing to compromise.
I am not going to get into the various factions that might come into play with the last two groups, you get the idea. I feel that there can't be a compromise unless a) an alternative to the Rite of Tranquility if found,
a way to test for demonic possession can be devised - Merrill, are you out there? and c) the Litany of Adralla or something similar becomes more widespread so people can feel more comfortable and that they have a defense against mind control.
About the Warden or Hawke. As far as I'm concerned, Hawke is done. Hawke was there, maybe a capable person, but I feel Hawke is quite happy to be concerned only with family/LI. Hawke may have been a catalyst in some ways, but seemed more caught up in events and just trying to survive than to have any particular motivating factor other than protecting family and friends.
I loved my Wardens, all 20 of them. Some more than others. You might be able to guess I prefer DAO to DA2, LOL. That said, I don't need to play that (or one of those) Warden in DA3. I find it perfectly acceptable to hear about some mission my Warden is on, current living conditions, maybe a reference to the LI rather than seeing them again. I don't want to see an uglified version of my character. (I don't want my Warden to be in the Anderfels and in charge of all Wardens, the HofF deserves more time to enjoy life). Maybe I overhear a group of Wardens talking about the HofF or see a shadowy figure in the distance and find out that's my Warden, or whatever.
Options for a new protagonist that mean something. That's important. Does it matter that Hawke saved Kirkwall from the Arishok when Anders blows up the Chantry later? That's merely the mechanism for becoming the Champion of Kirkwall. Even if Bioware has a general conclusion in mind for the Mage/Templar war down the road, a new protagonist can still do things which will have ramifications later on, whether it is in a small geographic location or the flavor of the resolution. Or something else.
And of course, when I create my character, those options need to mean something within the game.
Anyway, back to my point. You have Blood Mages and almost everybody is against blood mages. It's that whole mind control thing. Therefore most Blood Mages will find themselves in conflict with templars, other mages, etc.
Templar/Chantry zealots who truly believe that all magic is evil or that the power of the Chantry must be inviolate. They will never compromise.
Mages fighting for more freedom, but might be amenable to compromise.
Templars fighting to contain/control the mages, but might be willing to compromise.
I am not going to get into the various factions that might come into play with the last two groups, you get the idea. I feel that there can't be a compromise unless a) an alternative to the Rite of Tranquility if found,
a way to test for demonic possession can be devised - Merrill, are you out there? and c) the Litany of Adralla or something similar becomes more widespread so people can feel more comfortable and that they have a defense against mind control.About the Warden or Hawke. As far as I'm concerned, Hawke is done. Hawke was there, maybe a capable person, but I feel Hawke is quite happy to be concerned only with family/LI. Hawke may have been a catalyst in some ways, but seemed more caught up in events and just trying to survive than to have any particular motivating factor other than protecting family and friends.
I loved my Wardens, all 20 of them. Some more than others. You might be able to guess I prefer DAO to DA2, LOL. That said, I don't need to play that (or one of those) Warden in DA3. I find it perfectly acceptable to hear about some mission my Warden is on, current living conditions, maybe a reference to the LI rather than seeing them again. I don't want to see an uglified version of my character. (I don't want my Warden to be in the Anderfels and in charge of all Wardens, the HofF deserves more time to enjoy life). Maybe I overhear a group of Wardens talking about the HofF or see a shadowy figure in the distance and find out that's my Warden, or whatever.
Options for a new protagonist that mean something. That's important. Does it matter that Hawke saved Kirkwall from the Arishok when Anders blows up the Chantry later? That's merely the mechanism for becoming the Champion of Kirkwall. Even if Bioware has a general conclusion in mind for the Mage/Templar war down the road, a new protagonist can still do things which will have ramifications later on, whether it is in a small geographic location or the flavor of the resolution. Or something else.
And of course, when I create my character, those options need to mean something within the game.
#96
Posté 09 août 2012 - 07:11
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Well my Hawke's LI was Anders so she will still be involved in the mages' fight because of him.
If you read Dragon Age Asunder you see how big the conflict is. It isn't merely Mage x Templar, the Chantry is also very divided by the pious religious people and those who want to seize power. And Templars resent the Chantry's doddering as much as Anders. a lot of them view the Chantry as someone preventing them from doing their job and assuming their rightful place on Thedas. As conquerors / rulers. Nobles resent them all because they govern the land but have to defer to templars, chantry, circle of magi, wardens.. So what power do they really have ? They are all pretty much as powerless as the Viscount. All they can do is try to contain one side or another.
Basically everyone wants power and all the alliances that made their society work for the last 1,000 years are rupturing. Add to that Qunari converting people and Wardens trying to get ready for talking / intelligent Darkspawn.. And Tevinter magisters. Interesting times.
If you read Dragon Age Asunder you see how big the conflict is. It isn't merely Mage x Templar, the Chantry is also very divided by the pious religious people and those who want to seize power. And Templars resent the Chantry's doddering as much as Anders. a lot of them view the Chantry as someone preventing them from doing their job and assuming their rightful place on Thedas. As conquerors / rulers. Nobles resent them all because they govern the land but have to defer to templars, chantry, circle of magi, wardens.. So what power do they really have ? They are all pretty much as powerless as the Viscount. All they can do is try to contain one side or another.
Basically everyone wants power and all the alliances that made their society work for the last 1,000 years are rupturing. Add to that Qunari converting people and Wardens trying to get ready for talking / intelligent Darkspawn.. And Tevinter magisters. Interesting times.
#97
Posté 11 août 2012 - 01:07
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[quote]King Killoth wrote...
I think the best possible story is to play as a new wardend charged with finding the warden comander and hawke. this allows the game to take place over all the map and being a warden gives you that specail athority option. it would make the story about finding the compaions of both hawke and the warden comander. all wail the mage templar war is rageing around you. this also fits into gathering compaions of your own some even former compaions of the warden and hawke that ask to join the new warden. it as a story point allows for the first two stories to be told to new players to the DA franchise aswel as tieing in both save game stories arching over from DAO and DA2 so your actions from both games are carried over to the new but seen from a new point of veiw.[/quote]
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I think that sounds like an great story of DA3.
But, they also need to bring back the choosing of origin that was in DAO, we all wish it to come back so we can make an main character that we can relate to and feel like it was handmade for us(and also being able to choose your species of course).
And if they do that they should make the story and choices adjusted to your character`s origin and species(Like in DAO, I hated that there where like only one time you could say "by the creators" when your where an Dalish elf, most times it was just "by the maker" answering options).
But the warden we then would play in DA3, to suddenly get charged with finding the "Warden commander" and Hawke in the beginning of the story would be to hasty.
We should start our main character getting recruited to the wardens 1 or 2 years before the end of DA2, and we are doing some short part missions for the "Warden commander" after the joining, with just 1-3 characters(like when we had Alistair as our first real companion for awhile).
And to make it an even better connection to why just our warden got tasked with finding the "Warden commander" and Hawke, our character`s mentor in the wardens should be none other then the "Warden commander" himself/herself. And we would then also know a bit on what the "Warden commander" did during Hawke`s years in Kirkwall.
I think the best possible story is to play as a new wardend charged with finding the warden comander and hawke. this allows the game to take place over all the map and being a warden gives you that specail athority option. it would make the story about finding the compaions of both hawke and the warden comander. all wail the mage templar war is rageing around you. this also fits into gathering compaions of your own some even former compaions of the warden and hawke that ask to join the new warden. it as a story point allows for the first two stories to be told to new players to the DA franchise aswel as tieing in both save game stories arching over from DAO and DA2 so your actions from both games are carried over to the new but seen from a new point of veiw.[/quote]
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I think that sounds like an great story of DA3.
But, they also need to bring back the choosing of origin that was in DAO, we all wish it to come back so we can make an main character that we can relate to and feel like it was handmade for us(and also being able to choose your species of course).
And if they do that they should make the story and choices adjusted to your character`s origin and species(Like in DAO, I hated that there where like only one time you could say "by the creators" when your where an Dalish elf, most times it was just "by the maker" answering options).
But the warden we then would play in DA3, to suddenly get charged with finding the "Warden commander" and Hawke in the beginning of the story would be to hasty.
We should start our main character getting recruited to the wardens 1 or 2 years before the end of DA2, and we are doing some short part missions for the "Warden commander" after the joining, with just 1-3 characters(like when we had Alistair as our first real companion for awhile).
And to make it an even better connection to why just our warden got tasked with finding the "Warden commander" and Hawke, our character`s mentor in the wardens should be none other then the "Warden commander" himself/herself. And we would then also know a bit on what the "Warden commander" did during Hawke`s years in Kirkwall.
#98
Posté 11 août 2012 - 06:46
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personally I'm much rather play a seeker under the command of Cassandra searching for Hawke and the Warden since as DA2 and Dawn of The Seeker cover this
#99
Posté 12 août 2012 - 01:10
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I don't think the Hero of Ferelden should be the protagonist, we need a new protagonist, but some hints of what happened to him and Hawke would be nice as they say in Dragon Age 2 that they both disappeared.
#100
Posté 21 août 2012 - 08:15
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please bring Malcolm for real! I want the guy from the sacred ashes, the grey warden that I saw at the Warden trailer. This is the reason why I have a dragon age because for having the dream that I will play him as my playable character. I hope my wish will come true
