Thanks for the comparison picture, OP...death_for_sale wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
We need a Claymore pic for comparison though...death_for_sale wrote...
To give a better idea, this is a pic about 25 Meters with Smart Choke, and a 15% accuracy boost from HM.
Claymore, SC, 15% HM, same distance.
usctrojanbulldog wrote...
My experience tells me this picture isn't right. Is he really using a Piranha? Could I mimic these results with say, a Talon and switch to my Piranha? I've just never experienced this type of spread cluster at this distance with this weapon.
Modifié par neteng101, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .
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We Tigers wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
To give a better idea, this is a pic about 25 Meters with Smart Choke, and a 15% accuracy boost from HM.
1) That's not close to 25 meters, so you fired it while standing still from pretty far away at the deadliest of targets, a non-moving wall
2) You know very well that this thing is meant to fire full auto and that a grouping won't look anything like that when you fire a whole clip, especially if you're moving or your target is
3) That's a tighter pellet spread than you'll get with anything other than a TSol using Marksman, and it still isn't obnoxious
Good job on getting us to give you 15 pages in 4 hours. Now go find something else to incorrectly complain about.
That would actually be the wheelbarrel over the Piranha...brian_breed wrote...
The weapon in the first screencap is a GPR. Look at its arc forward and snubbed edges.
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GroverA125 wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Could you post the calculations you used to get to those numbers? I don't think they look right.
Lv. X Claymore Damage (with HCB) is 2060. DPS with RCs included is 1041.3. Against armor, that's 839. Could otherwise be modified with shredder, but that's another story.
I only have a Lv. III Pirahna (with HCB), doing the math I have (15.3 damage increase per level, 15.3 x 7 = 107.1, 107.1 + 561 = 668.1, 1059.1 / 561 x 668.1 = 1261. I was on by a rough shot, which was an estimate.)
Shotguns that have a lot of damage always have a more impressive DPS than their actual workings. Expect at least 1/4 of your shots to be off target, so drop the DPS by 25%, from 1261 to about 1000. Then you have to think that it will be worse than that at maximum RPM, where your boomshot is bouncing everywhere and so are your pellets. With an automatic shotgun or one with High-RoF, you don't get the time to line up your shots if you are going at max RoF. Looking at it that way, the claymore is superior, in that you are capable of putting accurate shots on target and achieving that RoF.
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Kick In The Door wrote...
Envious1 wrote...
Someone help me out here, why do people want to nerf weapons?
We are not competing with each other. It's a team effort and nerfing powerful weapons will only make it harder to win.
Where is the advantage in this?
Because of something called an inferiority complex. I'm a psych student. I'd have a f*cking field day with video game jocks like the OP.
It's coz Bioware decided it was a brilliant idea to put in a scoreboard that doesn't really tell you how well you contributed to the battle, just how much you killed more than anything else.
It's a blow to the mentalmind to see your score low, and feel like you didn't do jack to help the team.
It's even worse when someone tromps around the map racking up kill after kill after kill while you're struggling just to keep up.
It's just not fun when you feel less than viable. People want balance.
Way I see it though is if you feel less than viable, and then drag people down to your level, what the hell are you doing?!
Pride Demon wrote...
That would actually be the wheelbarrel over the Piranha...brian_breed wrote...
The weapon in the first screencap is a GPR. Look at its arc forward and snubbed edges.
The GPS doesn't have pellets, and I don't think the Talon has that many, so...
Modifié par Arcataye, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:09 .
My mistake...brian_breed wrote...
Pride Demon wrote...
That would actually be the wheelbarrel over the Piranha...brian_breed wrote...
The weapon in the first screencap is a GPR. Look at its arc forward and snubbed edges.
The GPS doesn't have pellets, and I don't think the Talon has that many, so...
I said GPR, not GPS. Look at them dumpy currrrves.
Reported.Kick In The Door wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Kick In The Door wrote...
Envious1 wrote...
Someone help me out here, why do people want to nerf weapons?
We are not competing with each other. It's a team effort and nerfing powerful weapons will only make it harder to win.
Where is the advantage in this?
Because of something called an inferiority complex. I'm a psych student. I'd have a f*cking field day with video game jocks like the OP.
It's coz Bioware decided it was a brilliant idea to put in a scoreboard that doesn't really tell you how well you contributed to the battle, just how much you killed more than anything else.
It's a blow to the mentalmind to see your score low, and feel like you didn't do jack to help the team.
It's even worse when someone tromps around the map racking up kill after kill after kill while you're struggling just to keep up.
It's just not fun when you feel less than viable. People want balance.
Way I see it though is if you feel less than viable, and then drag people down to your level, what the hell are you doing?!
Yeah.
But people like the OP have a st*ck up their ass. I'll bet anything his parents never really showed affection towards him. Anything that the OP did was never good enough in the parent's eyes. He most likely came from an Authoritarian household. Where "because I said so" was reason enough to warrant anything. Most likely developed an Avoidant attachment style(indifference to parents/guardians, treats them as strangers), which creates people with low self esteem and insecurity. And I'm willing to bet he wasn't the most poplular kid around, which I'm sure created "difficulties" for him, being the odd ball and all. It all comes from his language and demeanor. I can feel the insecurity just oozing out of his posts, the awkwardness, the betaness.
It's quite disgusting really.
But that's just speculation, I'll examine him/it some more to see if we can find a way to get that stick out of his ass.
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Pitznik wrote...
Reported.Kick In The Door wrote...
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Kick In The Door wrote...
Envious1 wrote...
Someone help me out here, why do people want to nerf weapons?
We are not competing with each other. It's a team effort and nerfing powerful weapons will only make it harder to win.
Where is the advantage in this?
Because of something called an inferiority complex. I'm a psych student. I'd have a f*cking field day with video game jocks like the OP.
It's coz Bioware decided it was a brilliant idea to put in a scoreboard that doesn't really tell you how well you contributed to the battle, just how much you killed more than anything else.
It's a blow to the mentalmind to see your score low, and feel like you didn't do jack to help the team.
It's even worse when someone tromps around the map racking up kill after kill after kill while you're struggling just to keep up.
It's just not fun when you feel less than viable. People want balance.
Way I see it though is if you feel less than viable, and then drag people down to your level, what the hell are you doing?!
Yeah.
But people like the OP have a st*ck up their ass. I'll bet anything his parents never really showed affection towards him. Anything that the OP did was never good enough in the parent's eyes. He most likely came from an Authoritarian household. Where "because I said so" was reason enough to warrant anything. Most likely developed an Avoidant attachment style(indifference to parents/guardians, treats them as strangers), which creates people with low self esteem and insecurity. And I'm willing to bet he wasn't the most poplular kid around, which I'm sure created "difficulties" for him, being the odd ball and all. It all comes from his language and demeanor. I can feel the insecurity just oozing out of his posts, the awkwardness, the betaness.
It's quite disgusting really.
But that's just speculation, I'll examine him/it some more to see if we can find a way to get that stick out of his ass.
I am immortal.
Fortack wrote...
Machazareel wrote...
Gotta love armchair developers who feel the need to make posts on a forum to inform people how they feel something is unbalanced, then act shocked as people lash out at them for parading around and trying to ruin everyone else's fun.
So you're speaking for everyone? That's good to know.If it needs to be rebalanced, it will be, after developers look at actual data, as opposed to numbers that are mathed out in a vacuum in some forum post which generally does not apply to actual gameplay.
Well, there are some people who actually think a little about which weapon would be best for their characters. I know, that might sound odd, but it happens. Can be incredibly difficult at times though, rocket sciences is peanuts compared to the decision to take a weapon that does insane damage, weights close to nothing, and mows down everything when you test it playing a match.
We Tigers wrote...
Probably because you play it like a normal person, moving around and not firing one shot at a time at an immobile target! A Talon would only give 6 bullet holes, and I'm sure he's using a Piranha as he says. The picture just doesn't really say much since it involves an accuracy bonus--which only 3 of 36 characters in the game can achieve--and since it isn't exactly relevant conditions.usctrojanbulldog wrote...
We Tigers wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
To give a better idea, this is a pic about 25 Meters with Smart Choke, and a 15% accuracy boost from HM.
1) That's not close to 25 meters, so you fired it while standing still from pretty far away at the deadliest of targets, a non-moving wall
2) You know very well that this thing is meant to fire full auto and that a grouping won't look anything like that when you fire a whole clip, especially if you're moving or your target is
3) That's a tighter pellet spread than you'll get with anything other than a TSol using Marksman, and it still isn't obnoxious
Good job on getting us to give you 15 pages in 4 hours. Now go find something else to incorrectly complain about.
My experience tells me this picture isn't right. Is he really using a Piranha? Could I mimic these results with say, a Talon and switch to my Piranha? I've just never experienced this type of spread cluster at this distance with this weapon.
You have to be: 1)in cover and 2) have your accuracy bonuses MAXED "I'm talking both class passives and equipment." In other words - you won't be this effective during actual play.....EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
Fauxnormal wrote...
Afromanb wrote...
Please rate this a 1 star people. Sigh...
I'll rate it five. Just to annoy you.
death_for_sale wrote...
...der diddly dum dee derp...
Pitznik wrote...
Reported.
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Gamemako wrote...
CitizenThom wrote...
Ok, buff the Claymore then.
I'm actually down with that, but the weight class of the Piranha and its DPS dominance over every other weapon in the game just doesn't make much sense to me. You'll have to buff every other weapon in the game to match (in which case the game will get comically easy) or you nerf the Piranha in some way.
E71 wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
...der diddly dum dee derp...
STHU and stop using it, problem solved.
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