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#876
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Kyerea wrote...

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I will be using it on a caster class with consumables that are readily available to any player of this game. If this does not meet with your approval, make your own video.


You really don't get it do you? Your conditions are not considered agreeable. The whole point of your videos is to prove to others that the Pirahna is OP (unless you're just doing this for attention and/or digital credit), if the conditions are disagreed upon, there's no point in doing a video.

If you want to prove that it's overpowered, then no equipment is to be taken, as to make the method re-enactable in a widespread area. A scientist doesn't use his "special concoction" during an experiment to prove that <insert compound here> is volatile, as that nullifies the whole point of the experiment. Either don't put any equipment on, or don't bother with the video, you won't prove anything, except that you are stubborn and refuse to make a fair test, possibly because you know you are incorrect, possibly not. Doesn't matter.


I've been incredibly fair. These are items available to everyone. I was told the spread is horrible, I showed that was incorrect. I was told I needed to show videos, so I did them. I've been accused of faking results by multiple people, received very hurtful messages from other people on this forum, and been called any number of names without resorting to being hateful back to people.

As I said earlier, feel free to make a video showing how terrible the gun is. I know that 3 out of 4 players I am playing with on Gold and Platinum are using it fairly exclusively. I use it myself on everything because it makes the game much easier. When those stats roll in, the weapon is going to be killed like the Krysae, it is inevitable unless we take a smaller hit now.


You slanted the everloving heck out of your "test"
You showed how accurate it is by using a class that boosts its accuracy
You showed how quickly it fires by using the Rate of Fire evo on destroyer mode
You used AP ammo to show its ammo shredding capabilities
You used every shotgun amp available in the game to showcase its power.
You also used it on the closest range map on the game.

So, are you saying that it needs to be mediocre with Every. Possible. Buff. In. The. Game?
So what happens to your average player that does not have loads of Shotgun amps and AP ammo and wants to use it on a class that does not buff the crap out of it?



*Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding*

AND WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS! BUT LET'S SEE WHAT OUR PANEL OF JUDGES THINK!

Judge 1 - /end thread

Judge 2 - /end thread

Judge 3 - /end thread


THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS, THE OP DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE BASIC FUNDAMENTALS OF EXPERIMENTS WORK. MAJOR DURZA HAS WON THE THREAD! JIM, TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON!

Jim - "He's won the opinions of rational and logical players/posters! With an all-expense paid trip to BSNwinnerton, where all the great BSN posters go for a well-earned vacation from nerf threads and whine drama!"


It is pretty clear that you, durza, an ashen are simply going to troll whatever results or videos I post. You don't have anything else to show to counter the evidence I have presented other than to basically say in multiple ways, "no, it isn't".

Even if I post a video with no consumables on a caster class, you will say that it isn't OP. You will say it is because of the map selection, or because I am some type of god at mp, or pretty much any reason you can think of to avoid the truth. I think after I do the caster video, I am simply going to lump the 3 of you into the troll category and have done with you.

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As other have said, your tests were affected by external factors such as gears. Your arguments were based with the guns with gears added. We did not see the natural shortcomings or its raw DPS in action. All the weakness of the Piranha were fixed with gears, which they should.

If you want nerfs based on your test with gears added, it is clearly obvious you want it badly nerfed. Thats is how gears work. They fixed the weaknesses of your loadouts.

As I have mentioned before, do a test WITHOUT ANY gears, then compare it with the test with gears, or are you afraid you would be proven wrong?

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The gun it self is weak, it can't even take down a Husk at anything but point blank range in less then a shot.

Piranha + devastator mode + the right mods + AP IV ammo = awesome, but that's a lot of things that need to come together to make it good. Just slapping it on a adept or something does not make it good, terrible range, terrible accuracy, low damage per shot, relatively low rof and high recoil

Modifié par BLY78NOR, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .


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I'll be uploading a platinum reaper wave and 3 waves of a reaper gold as time allows. Bear in mind that banshees are a bit harder to kill than atlas's (atlii? lol). Links will be in the main post. Also, bear in mind that while I can solo gold, i've not tried to solo plat and my recording program lags everything I do, so it's a bit sloppy.[/quote]

Keep in mind that using a weapons platform is not going to help your point.  Don't use weapons platforms, or level III/IV consumables.

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Lol wut?  You mean, don't play the game like you normally would?  Might as well ask him to play with one hand while you're at it.


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Using a weapon on a class like the GI or Destroyer isn't going to prove a weapon is OP, only that the weapon is OP in the hands of said classes.

I dominated a Reaper Gold game a few hours ago using a GI with a PPR and Incendiary Ammo IV, but the PPR is hardly OP.
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I was wondering when you'd find this thread Ash. :wub:

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I do not think Ashen's point can be emphasized enough.  You have yet to counter that jab, Death.

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It would appear that I will have to level up one of my casters and make a 3rd video to counter it. Once I do, will that change your mind, honestly?

I'm not doing it tonight though, uploading these takes a long time and I need sleep.

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As long as you are showcasing the Piranha, and not your massive skill with said class/powers you should be alright.

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As I've stated before, I don't have massive skill. I would say that I am slightly above average, but not a top tier player like GP. Just because I can solo Gold does not make me skilled.

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Can an average player solo Gold?  I do not think so.  I am well above your average PUG and I have not soloed Gold yet.

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Come one Come all! Prepare to ride the Quote Train! B)

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ALL ABOARD!!! :wizard:

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"Hi folks, this is your train conductor. It seems we've run into some issues, apparently MagLev trains are too efficient and they've been nerfed. We've gone back to coal and would appreciate some volunteers for coal-shoveling duty. Thank you for riding the Quote Train folks, sit back and enjoy the crawl.[/quote]
Just quoted to continue the Train

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But... it's the Quote Train... not a pyramid...

;______;

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Fixed! :o


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Thank you, my bad :(

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GET ON THE QUOTE TRAIN! QUOTE TRAIN!

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nerf the quote train!

#880
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Kyerea wrote...

Major Durza wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

I will be using it on a caster class with consumables that are readily available to any player of this game. If this does not meet with your approval, make your own video.


You really don't get it do you? Your conditions are not considered agreeable. The whole point of your videos is to prove to others that the Pirahna is OP (unless you're just doing this for attention and/or digital credit), if the conditions are disagreed upon, there's no point in doing a video.

If you want to prove that it's overpowered, then no equipment is to be taken, as to make the method re-enactable in a widespread area. A scientist doesn't use his "special concoction" during an experiment to prove that <insert compound here> is volatile, as that nullifies the whole point of the experiment. Either don't put any equipment on, or don't bother with the video, you won't prove anything, except that you are stubborn and refuse to make a fair test, possibly because you know you are incorrect, possibly not. Doesn't matter.


I've been incredibly fair. These are items available to everyone. I was told the spread is horrible, I showed that was incorrect. I was told I needed to show videos, so I did them. I've been accused of faking results by multiple people, received very hurtful messages from other people on this forum, and been called any number of names without resorting to being hateful back to people.

As I said earlier, feel free to make a video showing how terrible the gun is. I know that 3 out of 4 players I am playing with on Gold and Platinum are using it fairly exclusively. I use it myself on everything because it makes the game much easier. When those stats roll in, the weapon is going to be killed like the Krysae, it is inevitable unless we take a smaller hit now.


You slanted the everloving heck out of your "test"
You showed how accurate it is by using a class that boosts its accuracy
You showed how quickly it fires by using the Rate of Fire evo on destroyer mode
You used AP ammo to show its ammo shredding capabilities
You used every shotgun amp available in the game to showcase its power.
You also used it on the closest range map on the game.

So, are you saying that it needs to be mediocre with Every. Possible. Buff. In. The. Game?
So what happens to your average player that does not have loads of Shotgun amps and AP ammo and wants to use it on a class that does not buff the crap out of it?



*Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding*

AND WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS! BUT LET'S SEE WHAT OUR PANEL OF JUDGES THINK!

Judge 1 - /end thread

Judge 2 - /end thread

Judge 3 - /end thread


THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS, THE OP DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE BASIC FUNDAMENTALS OF EXPERIMENTS WORK. MAJOR DURZA HAS WON THE THREAD! JIM, TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON!

Jim - "He's won the opinions of rational and logical players/posters! With an all-expense paid trip to BSNwinnerton, where all the great BSN posters go for a well-earned vacation from nerf threads and whine drama!"


ROFL. Agreed.

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[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]death_for_sale wrote...

I'll be uploading a platinum reaper wave and 3 waves of a reaper gold as time allows. Bear in mind that banshees are a bit harder to kill than atlas's (atlii? lol). Links will be in the main post. Also, bear in mind that while I can solo gold, i've not tried to solo plat and my recording program lags everything I do, so it's a bit sloppy.[/quote]

Keep in mind that using a weapons platform is not going to help your point.  Don't use weapons platforms, or level III/IV consumables.

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Lol wut?  You mean, don't play the game like you normally would?  Might as well ask him to play with one hand while you're at it.


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Using a weapon on a class like the GI or Destroyer isn't going to prove a weapon is OP, only that the weapon is OP in the hands of said classes.

I dominated a Reaper Gold game a few hours ago using a GI with a PPR and Incendiary Ammo IV, but the PPR is hardly OP.
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I was wondering when you'd find this thread Ash. :wub:

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I do not think Ashen's point can be emphasized enough.  You have yet to counter that jab, Death.

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It would appear that I will have to level up one of my casters and make a 3rd video to counter it. Once I do, will that change your mind, honestly?

I'm not doing it tonight though, uploading these takes a long time and I need sleep.

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As long as you are showcasing the Piranha, and not your massive skill with said class/powers you should be alright.

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As I've stated before, I don't have massive skill. I would say that I am slightly above average, but not a top tier player like GP. Just because I can solo Gold does not make me skilled.

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Can an average player solo Gold?  I do not think so.  I am well above your average PUG and I have not soloed Gold yet.

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Come one Come all! Prepare to ride the Quote Train! B)

[/quote]

ALL ABOARD!!! :wizard:

[/quote]

"Hi folks, this is your train conductor. It seems we've run into some issues, apparently MagLev trains are too efficient and they've been nerfed. We've gone back to coal and would appreciate some volunteers for coal-shoveling duty. Thank you for riding the Quote Train folks, sit back and enjoy the crawl.[/quote]
Just quoted to continue the Train

[/quote]

But... it's the Quote Train... not a pyramid...

;______;

[/quote]

Fixed! :o


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Thank you, my bad :(

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GET ON THE QUOTE TRAIN! QUOTE TRAIN!

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nerf the quote train!

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Nerf the nerfers who wanna nerf the quote train!

#882
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Core_Commander wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Using Certain Characte passives/abilities (MM, HM, Devastator Mode)Consumbles, Gear and Mods on a weapon to improve its performance does not mean that it is overpowered.
Obviously the OP is too stupid to understand that his "test" was not a fair one and he should not have hunter mode, gear and consumables on to improve accuracy and range. If you need a certain combination to make it good, like Ashen Earth said, it's not good in the first place.

Yeah, it's not good. That's why it's used on every class, often with 2-3 people using it per game.

The truth is in the playing?


I haven't seen an overabandance of people using it in PUGs, and the few that I have seen using it weren't doing much to help the argument that the gun is OP, and will carry a bad player through a Gold/Platinum match regardless of their lack of skill.

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Core_Commander wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Using Certain Characte passives/abilities (MM, HM, Devastator Mode)Consumbles, Gear and Mods on a weapon to improve its performance does not mean that it is overpowered.
Obviously the OP is too stupid to understand that his "test" was not a fair one and he should not have hunter mode, gear and consumables on to improve accuracy and range. If you need a certain combination to make it good, like Ashen Earth said, it's not good in the first place.

Yeah, it's not good. That's why it's used on every class, often with 2-3 people using it per game.

The truth is in the playing?


I didn't sau it wasn't good. I said that if you need loads of add ons to make something good (I didn't say the piranha did I?) then it isn't good. Lean to read before you come here. 
The truth is in the reading.
Also, aside from you obviously poor reading skills, you must be either very lucky/unlucky depending on how you look at it. I odn't see the piranha that much, when weapons like the typhoon and harrier are much easier to use and don't need consumables to get rid of a weakness they have (range and accuracy being the piranha's weakness which can be reduced by Destroyer and TSol. 

Modifié par StrawHatMoose, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:13 .


#884
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My question to OP (not trolling):

Do you accept that you might not be right? and be ok with losing in an argument? I am not suggesting you're wrong but since this is public forum some individuals do not like losing or being proven wrong and will fight tooth and nail to prove otherwise. Just something to think about..


Based on what I am seeing in game and from my own use of the weapon, I really can't agree that is is not OP. It has nothing to do with winning or losing an argument. I believe with utter conviction that the weapon is overpowered.

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Core_Commander wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Using Certain Characte passives/abilities (MM, HM, Devastator Mode)Consumbles, Gear and Mods on a weapon to improve its performance does not mean that it is overpowered.
Obviously the OP is too stupid to understand that his "test" was not a fair one and he should not have hunter mode, gear and consumables on to improve accuracy and range. If you need a certain combination to make it good, like Ashen Earth said, it's not good in the first place.

Yeah, it's not good. That's why it's used on every class, often with 2-3 people using it per game.

The truth is in the playing?


Rule one mate: Everyone you meet online is an idiot, treat them so.

Everyone used to run around with Black Widows on any class they could find. Didn't mean it was overpowered. In fact, many of those combinations can be outmatched with lighter weapons, and better synergize with the classes. Some people just think that <insert class here> + Big bulky weapon = ultimate weapon in the game. Sadly, that isn't always true.

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I'll be uploading a platinum reaper wave and 3 waves of a reaper gold as time allows. Bear in mind that banshees are a bit harder to kill than atlas's (atlii? lol). Links will be in the main post. Also, bear in mind that while I can solo gold, i've not tried to solo plat and my recording program lags everything I do, so it's a bit sloppy.[/quote]

Keep in mind that using a weapons platform is not going to help your point.  Don't use weapons platforms, or level III/IV consumables.

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Lol wut?  You mean, don't play the game like you normally would?  Might as well ask him to play with one hand while you're at it.


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Using a weapon on a class like the GI or Destroyer isn't going to prove a weapon is OP, only that the weapon is OP in the hands of said classes.

I dominated a Reaper Gold game a few hours ago using a GI with a PPR and Incendiary Ammo IV, but the PPR is hardly OP.
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I was wondering when you'd find this thread Ash. :wub:

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I do not think Ashen's point can be emphasized enough.  You have yet to counter that jab, Death.

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It would appear that I will have to level up one of my casters and make a 3rd video to counter it. Once I do, will that change your mind, honestly?

I'm not doing it tonight though, uploading these takes a long time and I need sleep.

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As long as you are showcasing the Piranha, and not your massive skill with said class/powers you should be alright.

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As I've stated before, I don't have massive skill. I would say that I am slightly above average, but not a top tier player like GP. Just because I can solo Gold does not make me skilled.

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Can an average player solo Gold?  I do not think so.  I am well above your average PUG and I have not soloed Gold yet.

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Come one Come all! Prepare to ride the Quote Train! B)

[/quote]

ALL ABOARD!!! :wizard:

[/quote]

"Hi folks, this is your train conductor. It seems we've run into some issues, apparently MagLev trains are too efficient and they've been nerfed. We've gone back to coal and would appreciate some volunteers for coal-shoveling duty. Thank you for riding the Quote Train folks, sit back and enjoy the crawl.[/quote]
Just quoted to continue the Train

[/quote]

But... it's the Quote Train... not a pyramid...

;______;

[/quote]

Fixed! :o


[/quote]
Thank you, my bad :(

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GET ON THE QUOTE TRAIN! QUOTE TRAIN!

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nerf the quote train!

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Nerf the nerfers who wanna nerf the quote train!

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nerf the poster who wanted me nerfed!

#887
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To add on, you have mentioned that even if you made a video without any gears added, we won't be fazed by it. Then I dare you, make a video without you using any gears or equipment. We cannot argue with facts and a solid test conducted without any external factors that could have changed the result.

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death_for_sale wrote...

HiGamerCAT wrote...

My question to OP (not trolling):

Do you accept that you might not be right? and be ok with losing in an argument? I am not suggesting you're wrong but since this is public forum some individuals do not like losing or being proven wrong and will fight tooth and nail to prove otherwise. Just something to think about..


Based on what I am seeing in game and from my own use of the weapon, I really can't agree that is is not OP. It has nothing to do with winning or losing an argument. I believe with utter conviction that the weapon is overpowered.


I am with you on that the weapon is OP, especially with a Destroyer.
And I'm quite sure that it will get nerfed quite badly in near future.
So how about call it a day and just wait for the inevitable?

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How did I not notice this; when I used it, it seemed terrible!?

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[quote]heybigmoney wrote...

[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]death_for_sale wrote...

I'll be uploading a platinum reaper wave and 3 waves of a reaper gold as time allows. Bear in mind that banshees are a bit harder to kill than atlas's (atlii? lol). Links will be in the main post. Also, bear in mind that while I can solo gold, i've not tried to solo plat and my recording program lags everything I do, so it's a bit sloppy.[/quote]

Keep in mind that using a weapons platform is not going to help your point.  Don't use weapons platforms, or level III/IV consumables.

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Lol wut?  You mean, don't play the game like you normally would?  Might as well ask him to play with one hand while you're at it.


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Using a weapon on a class like the GI or Destroyer isn't going to prove a weapon is OP, only that the weapon is OP in the hands of said classes.

I dominated a Reaper Gold game a few hours ago using a GI with a PPR and Incendiary Ammo IV, but the PPR is hardly OP.
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I was wondering when you'd find this thread Ash. :wub:

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I do not think Ashen's point can be emphasized enough.  You have yet to counter that jab, Death.

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It would appear that I will have to level up one of my casters and make a 3rd video to counter it. Once I do, will that change your mind, honestly?

I'm not doing it tonight though, uploading these takes a long time and I need sleep.

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As long as you are showcasing the Piranha, and not your massive skill with said class/powers you should be alright.

[/quote]

As I've stated before, I don't have massive skill. I would say that I am slightly above average, but not a top tier player like GP. Just because I can solo Gold does not make me skilled.

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Can an average player solo Gold?  I do not think so.  I am well above your average PUG and I have not soloed Gold yet.

[/quote]

Come one Come all! Prepare to ride the Quote Train! B)

[/quote]

ALL ABOARD!!! :wizard:

[/quote]

"Hi folks, this is your train conductor. It seems we've run into some issues, apparently MagLev trains are too efficient and they've been nerfed. We've gone back to coal and would appreciate some volunteers for coal-shoveling duty. Thank you for riding the Quote Train folks, sit back and enjoy the crawl.[/quote]
Just quoted to continue the Train

[/quote]

But... it's the Quote Train... not a pyramid...

;______;

[/quote]

Fixed! :o


[/quote]
Thank you, my bad :(

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GET ON THE QUOTE TRAIN! QUOTE TRAIN!

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nerf the quote train!

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It was already nerfed in patch 0.1a, it's no longer MagLev. ;___; It's okay though, we got Ash shoveling coal, since he "volunteered".

HOW'S IT HANGING DOWN THERE ASH?! GOT ENOUGH COAL?

Ashen Earth - "SCREW YOU!"

Such a brosef. :wub:

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If its dps is that close to the claymore, I don't think there's a problem. Its slightly higher, but with the claymore you can drop back into cover while you reload, meaning you're exposed to enemy fire less. To get the piranha's dps you have to be out in the open the entire time (and at closer range.)

Increasing the weight would sacrifice a number of interesting builds. Right now its one of the only high-dps weapons you can put on a caster class, the trade-off being you have to get into close quarters with a squishy character, with a weapon that requires continuous fire rather than popping up to fire a single high-damage shot.


THIS. BIOWARE, DON'T touch the WEIGHT PLEASE JUST PLEASE

 reduce the spare ammo and roll back the damage buff instead. 

Even killing a guardian from afar with the Piranha feels like fighting a shielded sniper. i don't want it too feel like blowing them kisses. 

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There should be some sort of a limitation on opening new threads.

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I'll be uploading a platinum reaper wave and 3 waves of a reaper gold as time allows. Bear in mind that banshees are a bit harder to kill than atlas's (atlii? lol). Links will be in the main post. Also, bear in mind that while I can solo gold, i've not tried to solo plat and my recording program lags everything I do, so it's a bit sloppy.[/quote]

Keep in mind that using a weapons platform is not going to help your point.  Don't use weapons platforms, or level III/IV consumables.

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Lol wut?  You mean, don't play the game like you normally would?  Might as well ask him to play with one hand while you're at it.


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Using a weapon on a class like the GI or Destroyer isn't going to prove a weapon is OP, only that the weapon is OP in the hands of said classes.

I dominated a Reaper Gold game a few hours ago using a GI with a PPR and Incendiary Ammo IV, but the PPR is hardly OP.
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I was wondering when you'd find this thread Ash. :wub:

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I do not think Ashen's point can be emphasized enough.  You have yet to counter that jab, Death.

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It would appear that I will have to level up one of my casters and make a 3rd video to counter it. Once I do, will that change your mind, honestly?

I'm not doing it tonight though, uploading these takes a long time and I need sleep.

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As long as you are showcasing the Piranha, and not your massive skill with said class/powers you should be alright.

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As I've stated before, I don't have massive skill. I would say that I am slightly above average, but not a top tier player like GP. Just because I can solo Gold does not make me skilled.

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Can an average player solo Gold?  I do not think so.  I am well above your average PUG and I have not soloed Gold yet.

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Come one Come all! Prepare to ride the Quote Train! B)

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ALL ABOARD!!! :wizard:

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"Hi folks, this is your train conductor. It seems we've run into some issues, apparently MagLev trains are too efficient and they've been nerfed. We've gone back to coal and would appreciate some volunteers for coal-shoveling duty. Thank you for riding the Quote Train folks, sit back and enjoy the crawl.[/quote]
Just quoted to continue the Train

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But... it's the Quote Train... not a pyramid...

;______;

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Fixed! :o


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Thank you, my bad :(

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GET ON THE QUOTE TRAIN! QUOTE TRAIN!

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nerf the quote train!

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Nerf the nerfers who wanna nerf the quote train!

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nerf the poster who wanted me nerfed!

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I just buffed quote train.

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Hulk Hsieh wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

HiGamerCAT wrote...

My question to OP (not trolling):

Do you accept that you might not be right? and be ok with losing in an argument? I am not suggesting you're wrong but since this is public forum some individuals do not like losing or being proven wrong and will fight tooth and nail to prove otherwise. Just something to think about..


Based on what I am seeing in game and from my own use of the weapon, I really can't agree that is is not OP. It has nothing to do with winning or losing an argument. I believe with utter conviction that the weapon is overpowered.


I am with you on that the weapon is OP, especially with a Destroyer.
And I'm quite sure that it will get nerfed quite badly in near future.
So how about call it a day and just wait for the inevitable?


I still have a 3rd video to do, but yeah I am just slamming my head into a wall I think.

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since the earth dlc i've spent about nine quid on dlc, if the piranha gets nerfed i'll stop playing and so will more like me.

Modifié par o CLEMBO o, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .


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death_for_sale wrote...

It is pretty clear that you, durza, an ashen are simply going to troll whatever results or videos I post. You don't have anything else to show to counter the evidence I have presented other than to basically say in multiple ways, "no, it isn't".

Even if I post a video with no consumables on a caster class, you will say that it isn't OP. You will say it is because of the map selection, or because I am some type of god at mp, or pretty much any reason you can think of to avoid the truth. I think after I do the caster video, I am simply going to lump the 3 of you into the troll category and have done with you.


death_for_sale wrote...

there are 3 groups of people in
this topic. One group that believes it is OP and should be moderately
nerfed before it gets the death sentence from BW gameplay stats showing
everyone using it, A second group that reluctantly admits that it might
be a bit OP., and a third group that refuses to see any logic or reason

I
feel fairly confident that if I show it is OP on a caster class, all of
said third group will cover their eyes and say they see no such thing.


You seem to fall into the third group yourself, given your willingness to label anyone who disagrees with your flawed "test" a troll.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .


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My favorite part of the video I think is at 6:02 when he fires 9 shots at a banshee point blank range and doesn't take a single bar off her barrier. Well to be fair he almost got one bar. :)

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I would like to say thanks though to the trolls bumping the thread with the quote train. You are doing nothing but keeping it on the front page, even though you hate my ideas, so thanks!

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GroverA125 wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Using Certain Characte passives/abilities (MM, HM, Devastator Mode)Consumbles, Gear and Mods on a weapon to improve its performance does not mean that it is overpowered.
Obviously the OP is too stupid to understand that his "test" was not a fair one and he should not have hunter mode, gear and consumables on to improve accuracy and range. If you need a certain combination to make it good, like Ashen Earth said, it's not good in the first place.

Yeah, it's not good. That's why it's used on every class, often with 2-3 people using it per game.

The truth is in the playing?


Rule one mate: Everyone you meet online is an idiot, treat them so.

Everyone used to run around with Black Widows on any class they could find. Didn't mean it was overpowered. In fact, many of those combinations can be outmatched with lighter weapons, and better synergize with the classes. Some people just think that <insert class here> + Big bulky weapon = ultimate weapon in the game. Sadly, that isn't always true.


Rule 2: This is BSN. Eveyone either whines, trolls or is an idiot. Get over it.

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kevchy wrote...

To add on, you have mentioned that even if you made a video without any gears added, we won't be fazed by it. Then I dare you, make a video without you using any gears or equipment. We cannot argue with facts and a solid test conducted without any external factors that could have changed the result.


Lol even if he did, it probably wouldn't convince you that the gun is OP.