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[Kyerea]

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[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]death_for_sale wrote...

I'll be uploading a platinum reaper wave and 3 waves of a reaper gold as time allows. Bear in mind that banshees are a bit harder to kill than atlas's (atlii? lol). Links will be in the main post. Also, bear in mind that while I can solo gold, i've not tried to solo plat and my recording program lags everything I do, so it's a bit sloppy.[/quote]

Keep in mind that using a weapons platform is not going to help your point.  Don't use weapons platforms, or level III/IV consumables.

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Lol wut?  You mean, don't play the game like you normally would?  Might as well ask him to play with one hand while you're at it.


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Using a weapon on a class like the GI or Destroyer isn't going to prove a weapon is OP, only that the weapon is OP in the hands of said classes.

I dominated a Reaper Gold game a few hours ago using a GI with a PPR and Incendiary Ammo IV, but the PPR is hardly OP.
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I was wondering when you'd find this thread Ash. 

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I do not think Ashen's point can be emphasized enough.  You have yet to counter that jab, Death.

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It would appear that I will have to level up one of my casters and make a 3rd video to counter it. Once I do, will that change your mind, honestly?

I'm not doing it tonight though, uploading these takes a long time and I need sleep.

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As long as you are showcasing the Piranha, and not your massive skill with said class/powers you should be alright.

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As I've stated before, I don't have massive skill. I would say that I am slightly above average, but not a top tier player like GP. Just because I can solo Gold does not make me skilled.

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Can an average player solo Gold?  I do not think so.  I am well above your average PUG and I have not soloed Gold yet.

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Come one Come all! Prepare to ride the Quote Train!

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ALL ABOARD!!!

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"Hi folks, this is your train conductor. It seems we've run into some issues, apparently MagLev trains are too efficient and they've been nerfed. We've gone back to coal and would appreciate some volunteers for coal-shoveling duty. Thank you for riding the Quote Train folks, sit back and enjoy the crawl.[/quote]
Just quoted to continue the Train

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But... it's the Quote Train... not a pyramid...

;______;

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Fixed!


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Thank you, my bad

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GET ON THE QUOTE TRAIN! QUOTE TRAIN!

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nerf the quote train!

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Nerf the nerfers who wanna nerf the quote train!

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nerf the poster who wanted me nerfed!

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I just buffed quote train.

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*Checks engine*

Nope, still using coal. We're still effectively nerfed until our MagLev is restored.

[BLY78NOR]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

HiGamerCAT wrote...

My question to OP (not trolling):

Do you accept that you might not be right? and be ok with losing in an argument? I am not suggesting you're wrong but since this is public forum some individuals do not like losing or being proven wrong and will fight tooth and nail to prove otherwise. Just something to think about..

Based on what I am seeing in game and from my own use of the weapon, I really can't agree that is is not OP. It has nothing to do with winning or losing an argument. I believe with utter conviction that the weapon is overpowered.

I am with you on that the weapon is OP, especially with a Destroyer.
And I'm quite sure that it will get nerfed quite badly in near future.
So how about call it a day and just wait for the inevitable?

Destroyer is one of a handful of classes where the gun isn't total crap, lets nerf it so it's useless for absolutelly everyone.

[kevchy]

Javo2357 wrote...

kevchy wrote...

To add on, you have mentioned that even if you made a video without any gears added, we won't be fazed by it. Then I dare you, make a video without you using any gears or equipment. We cannot argue with facts and a solid test conducted without any external factors that could have changed the result.

Lol even if he did, it probably wouldn't convince you that the gun is OP.

Try me.

At this point, I'm confident that you are all afraid your arguments will be proven wrong.

Modifié par kevchy, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:20 .

[Hulk Hsieh]

death_for_sale wrote...

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

I am with you on that the weapon is OP, especially with a Destroyer.
And I'm quite sure that it will get nerfed quite badly in near future.
So how about call it a day and just wait for the inevitable?

I still have a 3rd video to do, but yeah I am just slamming my head into a wall I think.

You don't need to pursuade the forumer nor Bioware.
Just join more matches with Piranha and kills a lot.
You'll be contributing to the numbers recorded by Bioware's online feedback and the nerf may happens even quicker.

[Major Durza]

Ashen Earth wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

It is pretty clear that you, durza, an ashen are simply going to troll whatever results or videos I post. You don't have anything else to show to counter the evidence I have presented other than to basically say in multiple ways, "no, it isn't".

Even if I post a video with no consumables on a caster class, you will say that it isn't OP. You will say it is because of the map selection, or because I am some type of god at mp, or pretty much any reason you can think of to avoid the truth. I think after I do the caster video, I am simply going to lump the 3 of you into the troll category and have done with you.

death_for_sale wrote...

there are 3 groups of people in 
this topic. One group that believes it is OP and should be moderately 
nerfed before it gets the death sentence from BW gameplay stats showing 
everyone using it, A second group that reluctantly admits that it might 
be a bit OP., and a third group that refuses to see any logic or reason 

I
feel fairly confident that if I show it is OP on a caster class, all of
said third group will cover their eyes and say they see no such thing.

You seem to fall into the third group yourself, given your willingness to label anyone who disagrees with your flawed "test" a troll.

Indeed, it looks like someone tried to pull the internet equivalent of the "race card".

Modifié par Major Durza, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[Rotacioskapa]

Piranha is not overpowered, close this stupid thread.

[defleshing]

thanks to the pyramid builders this thread is bond to be locked with the mods wake up.

[iLaPis]

[quote]Kyerea wrote...

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[quote]Ashen Earth wrote...

[quote]heybigmoney wrote...

[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]death_for_sale wrote...

I'll be uploading a platinum reaper wave and 3 waves of a reaper gold as time allows. Bear in mind that banshees are a bit harder to kill than atlas's (atlii? lol). Links will be in the main post. Also, bear in mind that while I can solo gold, i've not tried to solo plat and my recording program lags everything I do, so it's a bit sloppy.[/quote]

Keep in mind that using a weapons platform is not going to help your point.  Don't use weapons platforms, or level III/IV consumables.

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Lol wut?  You mean, don't play the game like you normally would?  Might as well ask him to play with one hand while you're at it.


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Using a weapon on a class like the GI or Destroyer isn't going to prove a weapon is OP, only that the weapon is OP in the hands of said classes.

I dominated a Reaper Gold game a few hours ago using a GI with a PPR and Incendiary Ammo IV, but the PPR is hardly OP.
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I was wondering when you'd find this thread Ash. 

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I do not think Ashen's point can be emphasized enough.  You have yet to counter that jab, Death.

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It would appear that I will have to level up one of my casters and make a 3rd video to counter it. Once I do, will that change your mind, honestly?

I'm not doing it tonight though, uploading these takes a long time and I need sleep.

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As long as you are showcasing the Piranha, and not your massive skill with said class/powers you should be alright.

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As I've stated before, I don't have massive skill. I would say that I am slightly above average, but not a top tier player like GP. Just because I can solo Gold does not make me skilled.

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Can an average player solo Gold?  I do not think so.  I am well above your average PUG and I have not soloed Gold yet.

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Come one Come all! Prepare to ride the Quote Train!

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ALL ABOARD!!!

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"Hi folks, this is your train conductor. It seems we've run into some issues, apparently MagLev trains are too efficient and they've been nerfed. We've gone back to coal and would appreciate some volunteers for coal-shoveling duty. Thank you for riding the Quote Train folks, sit back and enjoy the crawl.[/quote]
Just quoted to continue the Train

[/quote]

But... it's the Quote Train... not a pyramid...

;______;

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Fixed!


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Thank you, my bad

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GET ON THE QUOTE TRAIN! QUOTE TRAIN!

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nerf the quote train!

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Nerf the nerfers who wanna nerf the quote train!

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nerf the poster who wanted me nerfed!

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I just buffed quote train.

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*Checks engine*

Nope, still using coal. We're still effectively nerfed until our MagLev is restored.

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Buffing 'quote train'. Buff everything!!!

[Hulk Hsieh]

BLY78NOR wrote...

Destroyer is one of a handful of classes where the gun isn't total crap, lets nerf it so it's useless for absolutelly everyone.

I kind of agree.

So my own idea for the balance is to make the accuracy bouns from power not applying to shotguns.
Well... only if Bioware see this post....

[Kyerea]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

I am with you on that the weapon is OP, especially with a Destroyer.
And I'm quite sure that it will get nerfed quite badly in near future.
So how about call it a day and just wait for the inevitable?

I still have a 3rd video to do, but yeah I am just slamming my head into a wall I think.

You don't need to pursuade the forumer nor Bioware.
Just join more matches with Piranha and kills a lot.
You'll be contributing to the numbers recorded by Bioware's online feedback and the nerf may happens even quicker.

And you clearly need to play more of the game before you start posting what is or isn't OP. Or maybe understand character/class ability attributes and how they change the way weapons perform out of their base stats. Especially when it's just two classes in the game that drastically change the way a weapon performs because they are weapon-based classes.

Addendum: Nice Piranha III you have there btw.

Modifié par Kyerea, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .

[Twinkles DeVere]

 EXCUSE ME!! I don't even have the piranha yet, and I'd like to try it before it gets nerfed into uselessness.
So I say... NERF THE ELITIST NERFERS!!!! 

[CC-Tron]

Prince Bubblegeth wrote...

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

If its dps is that close to the claymore, I don't think there's a problem. Its slightly higher, but with the claymore you can drop back into cover while you reload, meaning you're exposed to enemy fire less. To get the piranha's dps you have to be out in the open the entire time (and at closer range.)

Increasing the weight would sacrifice a number of interesting builds. Right now its one of the only high-dps weapons you can put on a caster class, the trade-off being you have to get into close quarters with a squishy character, with a weapon that requires continuous fire rather than popping up to fire a single high-damage shot.

THIS. BIOWARE, DON'T touch the WEIGHT PLEASE JUST PLEASE

 reduce the spare ammo and roll back the damage buff instead. 

Even killing a guardian from afar with the Piranha feels like fighting a shielded sniper. i don't want it too feel like blowing them kisses. 

I don't think they should nerf a damn thing. It's clear going through this thread that the nerfers are clear minority by a longshot. The OP didn't make a good case.

[DayusMakhina]

death_for_sale wrote...

Kyerea wrote...

Major Durza wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

I will be using it on a caster class with consumables that are readily available to any player of this game. If this does not meet with your approval, make your own video.

You really don't get it do you? Your conditions are not considered agreeable. The whole point of your videos is to prove to others that the Pirahna is OP (unless you're just doing this for attention and/or digital credit), if the conditions are disagreed upon, there's no point in doing a video.

If you want to prove that it's overpowered, then no equipment is to be taken, as to make the method re-enactable in a widespread area. A scientist doesn't use his "special concoction" during an experiment to prove that <insert compound here> is volatile, as that nullifies the whole point of the experiment. Either don't put any equipment on, or don't bother with the video, you won't prove anything, except that you are stubborn and refuse to make a fair test, possibly because you know you are incorrect, possibly not. Doesn't matter.

I've been incredibly fair. These are items available to everyone. I was told the spread is horrible, I showed that was incorrect. I was told I needed to show videos, so I did them. I've been accused of faking results by multiple people, received very hurtful messages from other people on this forum, and been called any number of names without resorting to being hateful back to people.

As I said earlier, feel free to make a video showing how terrible the gun is. I know that 3 out of 4 players I am playing with on Gold and Platinum are using it fairly exclusively. I use it myself on everything because it makes the game much easier. When those stats roll in, the weapon is going to be killed like the Krysae, it is inevitable unless we take a smaller hit now.

You slanted the everloving heck out of your "test"
You showed how accurate it is by using a class that boosts its accuracy
You showed how quickly it fires by using the Rate of Fire evo on destroyer mode
You used AP ammo to show its ammo shredding capabilities
You used every shotgun amp available in the game to showcase its power.
You also used it on the closest range map on the game.

So, are you saying that it needs to be mediocre with Every. Possible. Buff. In. The. Game?
So what happens to your average player that does not have loads of Shotgun amps and AP ammo and wants to use it on a class that does not buff the crap out of it?

*Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding*

AND WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS! BUT LET'S SEE WHAT OUR PANEL OF JUDGES THINK!

Judge 1 - /end thread

Judge 2 - /end thread

Judge 3 - /end thread


THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS, THE OP DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE BASIC FUNDAMENTALS OF EXPERIMENTS WORK. MAJOR DURZA HAS WON THE THREAD! JIM, TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON!

Jim - "He's won the opinions of rational and logical players/posters! With an all-expense paid trip to BSNwinnerton, where all the great BSN posters go for a well-earned vacation from nerf threads and whine drama!"

It is pretty clear that you, durza, an ashen are simply going to troll whatever results or videos I post. You don't have anything else to show to counter the evidence I have presented other than to basically say in multiple ways, "no, it isn't".

Even if I post a video with no consumables on a caster class, you will say that it isn't OP. You will say it is because of the map selection, or because I am some type of god at mp, or pretty much any reason you can think of to avoid the truth. I think after I do the caster video, I am simply going to lump the 3 of you into the troll category and have done with you.

Your refusal to do so though merely points you out as being unreasonable. It is not unreasonable for them to ask for a video whereby you aren't using a class or using consumables that help make up for it's shortcomings (like range and accuracy) and your refusal to do so indicates that you do not have as much conviction as you say you do in the weapon being overpowered.

That said, potentially even if you did do it they could come up with an excuse... but what would that matter? It'd just make it look like they're making excuses, whereas at the moment it looks like you're making excuses. What better way of getting your point across is there than proving the opposition wrong? The fact you are unwilling to do that speaks volumes.

Further more, Major Durza had a valid point but across in a mature manner, your willingness to write him off as a troll rather than address his points speaks volumes.

That said... I agree that the weapon is very OP on some classes. It may partially be due to the fact that i'm now used to Platinum and thus don't find Gold as difficult in general but equally i've found an N7 Piranha on an N7 Destroyer somewhat trivialises Gold for me, an that's without using equipment because I rarely do other than the non consumable kind (of which I use Warfighter so the Piranha is getting no bonus at all).

[GroverA125]

StrawHatMoose wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Using Certain Characte passives/abilities (MM, HM, Devastator Mode)Consumbles, Gear and Mods on a weapon to improve its performance does not mean that it is overpowered.
Obviously the OP is too stupid to understand that his "test" was not a fair one and he should not have hunter mode, gear and consumables on to improve accuracy and range. If you need a certain combination to make it good, like Ashen Earth said, it's not good in the first place.

Yeah, it's not good. That's why it's used on every class, often with 2-3 people using it per game.

The truth is in the playing?

Rule one mate: Everyone you meet online is an idiot, treat them so.

Everyone used to run around with Black Widows on any class they could find. Didn't mean it was overpowered. In fact, many of those combinations can be outmatched with lighter weapons, and better synergize with the classes. Some people just think that <insert class here> + Big bulky weapon = ultimate weapon in the game. Sadly, that isn't always true.

Rule 2: This is BSN. Eveyone either whines, trolls or is an idiot. Get over it.

Not really my point. Just saying that people using a certain thing doesn't make it overpowered. If it's significantly different in proportion to then entire playerbase, then it deserves investigation, but it doesn't immediately mean "overpowered".

[IllusiveManJr]

MY EYES

[Kyerea]

CC-Tron wrote...

Prince Bubblegeth wrote...

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

If its dps is that close to the claymore, I don't think there's a problem. Its slightly higher, but with the claymore you can drop back into cover while you reload, meaning you're exposed to enemy fire less. To get the piranha's dps you have to be out in the open the entire time (and at closer range.)

Increasing the weight would sacrifice a number of interesting builds. Right now its one of the only high-dps weapons you can put on a caster class, the trade-off being you have to get into close quarters with a squishy character, with a weapon that requires continuous fire rather than popping up to fire a single high-damage shot.

THIS. BIOWARE, DON'T touch the WEIGHT PLEASE JUST PLEASE

 reduce the spare ammo and roll back the damage buff instead. 

Even killing a guardian from afar with the Piranha feels like fighting a shielded sniper. i don't want it too feel like blowing them kisses. 

I don't think they should nerf a damn thing. It's clear going through this thread that the nerfers are clear minority by a longshot. The OP didn't make a good case.

Which is why I have never understood BW's emphasis on nerfing crap the whiners complain about...albeit loudly.

[Felis Menari]

Pitznik wrote...

Seriously, why he wouldn't use consumables? Consumables are supposed to be used, that half people on Gold doesn't use them at all is a whole different problem.

Think of it like this; consumables are extras, not to be taken into account when considering what a regular loadout is (that's how I think of it, anyways). It is entirely possible to run out of consumables that you make use of often, and when that happens, the supposedly overpowered setup which takes them into account suddenly becomes much less so. I've been buying PSPs pretty much exclusively ever since they become a permanent fixture of the item store. The consumable buff items rewarded by them aren't terribly common. Definitely not a reliable way of obtaining the buff items that the OP is using in the tests he's running.

So the way I see it, buying many jumbo equipment packs would be the only feasible way of gaining the buff items at a rate in which using them in matches consistently would be feasible. This of course would hurt a player's ability to obtain weapons, characters, and other gear. How the OP is performing tests and making judgements which take finite booster items into account...it seems rather absurd. Not the right way to go about it, if you ask me.

[StrawHatMoose]

GroverA125 wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Using Certain Characte passives/abilities (MM, HM, Devastator Mode)Consumbles, Gear and Mods on a weapon to improve its performance does not mean that it is overpowered.
Obviously the OP is too stupid to understand that his "test" was not a fair one and he should not have hunter mode, gear and consumables on to improve accuracy and range. If you need a certain combination to make it good, like Ashen Earth said, it's not good in the first place.

Yeah, it's not good. That's why it's used on every class, often with 2-3 people using it per game.

The truth is in the playing?

Rule one mate: Everyone you meet online is an idiot, treat them so.

Everyone used to run around with Black Widows on any class they could find. Didn't mean it was overpowered. In fact, many of those combinations can be outmatched with lighter weapons, and better synergize with the classes. Some people just think that <insert class here> + Big bulky weapon = ultimate weapon in the game. Sadly, that isn't always true.

Rule 2: This is BSN. Eveyone either whines, trolls or is an idiot. Get over it.

Not really my point. Just saying that people using a certain thing doesn't make it overpowered. If it's significantly different in proportion to then entire playerbase, then it deserves investigation, but it doesn't immediately mean "overpowered".

Wait was your original post to me or to him? Anyway, I did say that using it with certain things down't mean it's OP. 

[Dynamik78]

Dynamik78 wrote...

All this BSN madness reminds me of the hunt for the witches...I think that balance changes should be made by Devs only based on stats gathered: how often players weild it? which and how many mobs did it kill? ok now let's test it "PERIOD" It's not like catfight between players will change how they handle the balancing.

I understand that everybody has an opinion but 32 pages of thread about nerfing a weapon ain't right nono

EDIT: 37 PAGES

[Hulk Hsieh]

Kyerea wrote...

And you clearly need to play more of the game before you start posting what is or isn't OP. Or maybe understand character/class ability attributes and how they change the way weapons perform out of their base stats. Especially when it's just two classes in the game that drastically change the way a weapon performs because they are weapon-based classes.

Addendum: Nice Piranha III you have there btw.

Yeah... I found that with only III I can erase the full armor of an Atlas within 1 clip with a TS.
Dare not image what will happen if I have an X.

Modifié par Hulk Hsieh, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:30 .

[Kyerea]

[quote]iLaPis wrote...

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[quote]DanielsMind wrote...

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[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]death_for_sale wrote...

[quote]Major Durza wrote...

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[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]Kyerea wrote...

[quote]Ashen Earth wrote...

[quote]heybigmoney wrote...

[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]death_for_sale wrote...

I'll be uploading a platinum reaper wave and 3 waves of a reaper gold as time allows. Bear in mind that banshees are a bit harder to kill than atlas's (atlii? lol). Links will be in the main post. Also, bear in mind that while I can solo gold, i've not tried to solo plat and my recording program lags everything I do, so it's a bit sloppy.[/quote]

Keep in mind that using a weapons platform is not going to help your point.  Don't use weapons platforms, or level III/IV consumables.

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Lol wut?  You mean, don't play the game like you normally would?  Might as well ask him to play with one hand while you're at it.


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Using a weapon on a class like the GI or Destroyer isn't going to prove a weapon is OP, only that the weapon is OP in the hands of said classes.

I dominated a Reaper Gold game a few hours ago using a GI with a PPR and Incendiary Ammo IV, but the PPR is hardly OP.
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I was wondering when you'd find this thread Ash. 

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I do not think Ashen's point can be emphasized enough.  You have yet to counter that jab, Death.

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It would appear that I will have to level up one of my casters and make a 3rd video to counter it. Once I do, will that change your mind, honestly?

I'm not doing it tonight though, uploading these takes a long time and I need sleep.

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As long as you are showcasing the Piranha, and not your massive skill with said class/powers you should be alright.

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As I've stated before, I don't have massive skill. I would say that I am slightly above average, but not a top tier player like GP. Just because I can solo Gold does not make me skilled.

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Can an average player solo Gold?  I do not think so.  I am well above your average PUG and I have not soloed Gold yet.

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Come one Come all! Prepare to ride the Quote Train!

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ALL ABOARD!!!

[/quote]

"Hi folks, this is your train conductor. It seems we've run into some issues, apparently MagLev trains are too efficient and they've been nerfed. We've gone back to coal and would appreciate some volunteers for coal-shoveling duty. Thank you for riding the Quote Train folks, sit back and enjoy the crawl.[/quote]
Just quoted to continue the Train

[/quote]

But... it's the Quote Train... not a pyramid...

;______;

[/quote]

Fixed!


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Thank you, my bad

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GET ON THE QUOTE TRAIN! QUOTE TRAIN!

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nerf the quote train!

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Nerf the nerfers who wanna nerf the quote train!

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nerf the poster who wanted me nerfed!

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I just buffed quote train.

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*Checks engine*

Nope, still using coal. We're still effectively nerfed until our MagLev is restored.

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Buffing 'quote train'. Buff everything!!!
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Our quote train finally has MagLev again! HUZZAH! 

[Core_Commander]

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Using Certain Characte passives/abilities (MM, HM, Devastator Mode)Consumbles, Gear and Mods on a weapon to improve its performance does not mean that it is overpowered.
Obviously the OP is too stupid to understand that his "test" was not a fair one and he should not have hunter mode, gear and consumables on to improve accuracy and range. If you need a certain combination to make it good, like Ashen Earth said, it's not good in the first place.

Yeah, it's not good. That's why it's used on every class, often with 2-3 people using it per game.

The truth is in the playing?

I didn't sau it wasn't good. I said that if you need loads of add ons to make something good (I didn't say the piranha did I?) then it isn't good. Lean to read before you come here. 
The truth is in the reading.
Also, aside from you obviously poor reading skills, you must be either very lucky/unlucky depending on how you look at it. I odn't see the piranha that much, when weapons like the typhoon and harrier are much easier to use and don't need consumables to get rid of a weakness they have (range and accuracy being the piranha's weakness which can be reduced by Destroyer and TSol. 

You said "If you need a certain combination to make it good, like Ashen Earth said, it's not good in the first place". So guess what, you did say it's not good. You got me worried there for a moment, but its seems like my reading comprehenshion is intact.

However, it turns very good without said combination, with just two regular mods - smart choke and shredder. No consumables, no accuracy gear. Good enough for people to switch to it, including people who make video guides and are good enough to play on Platinum, even on classes without accuracy buffs. Good enough to make it the go-to gun for engineers, vanguards, adepts, sentinels, what have you, since most combat in ME3 is done at close range - enemies rush you and seek to overrun your positions all the time... you should know that, you do play the game, right? Or just theorycraft?

Also there's the concept of synergy. Good gun + pressing 1 on certain classes = arguably overpowered. Typhoon's weakness is humongous weight, slow start-up and slow walking speed while firing - those are weaknesses that it cannot get rid of even with consumables. Harrier's weakness is low ammo count, which can be helped.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:30 .

[Pitznik]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Seriously, why he wouldn't use consumables? Consumables are supposed to be used, that half people on Gold doesn't use them at all is a whole different problem.

If a weapon is only worth using when used with consumables, it's definitely not OP.

What you consider to be a regular situation in Gold/Platinum: consumables equipped or not?

Gun is OP when you get results better than expected when used in normal circumstances. People that do not equip consumables for hardest difficulties shouldn't even win, unless they are really skilled.

Having said that, I am curious about Piranha's performance on class that isn't built for optimal weapon damage. If they're not OP, then weapon itself is not OP, but specific combos might be: GI/Piranha, TS/Piranha or Destro/Piranha (did I really just call Turian Soldier OP? wtf).

It is really all about what we consider baseline. I suspect Piranha may be little too strong, but I really like this weapon, it is nothing like Krysae.

[Major Durza]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

Destroyer is one of a handful of classes where the gun isn't total crap, lets nerf it so it's useless for absolutelly everyone.

I kind of agree.

So my own idea for the balance is to make the accuracy bouns from power not applying to shotguns.
Well... only if Bioware see this post....

I actually really like that idea.  It probably won't stop the nerfmongering, but it is a real fix to the problem.