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[Pitznik]

Pho3nix.blackfire wrote...

I just love people who post boring and overused memes, as a reply to logically correct and merithorical arguments OP has given. Same goes for quote train. Seriously - thats just a peak of dumbness. Of course no one has to agree with what OP says (I personally do agree ), but please ... make at least a bit of intelectuall effort to contribute to discussion. Sorry for off topic.

Indeed. People like Ashen Earth and others present logical and well put counter arguements, but it all gets lost in the sea of borderline insults, butthurt and overall childish behaviour. Instead of anything resembling a discussion we have an adult person versus kindergarten. It is no wonder that developers pay more attention to balancers' arguements.

[UserUnknown85]

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Modifié par UserUnknown85, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:52 .

[godlike13]

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

No, thats what a GI can do. And thats 10 shots, and 2 proximity mines. 

Modifié par godlike13, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:56 .

[Dendio1]

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Piercing mod or smart choke?

[UserUnknown85]

godlike13 wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

No, thats what a GI can do.

Of course it is. Still, a GI with claymore needs 5 shots with that setup.

[isetfires]

I can't help but think every time I read a "nerf" thread that the individual behind it got "chart topped" by a player (or players in this case) who never would have if it weren't for this new "devil gun/class/power". I imagine a frumpy faced random slamming their fists onto the closest flat surface after looking at the scoreboard (placing 2nd/3rd place..not 1st) and saying "NO!!!" with the angst of a five year old.

[PluralAces]

this just proves that kids need lives outside of their living rooms or bedrooms...stop asking to balance, nerf or buff everything, thats why the game keeps needing to get fixed...leave everything alone and just play the damn game

Modifié par PluralAces, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:59 .

[kevchy]

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Proximity mine specced for debuff?

What was your cloak specced for? Damage or duration?

[UserUnknown85]

Dendio1 wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Piercing mod or smart choke?

Piranha X with EB V + choke V

AP ammo IV
Power amplifier IV
Shotgun amp V

NO shotgun rail amp III (which would allow you to kill it in 9 shots)

TC 4-damage
HM 6-accuracy/RoF/speed (not optimized for damage)
Proxy 6-radius/debuff/damage (not optimized for damage)
NAI 6-weapon damage/power damage/weapon damage
Fitness 4-who cares?

So you could squeeze even more damage if you built it right, though I doubt downing the atlas in 1 clip is realistic without new gear/mods/consumable additions.

On platinum, you still don't need 2 full clips, rather something around 11-12 shots.

[-Sxx-]

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Taking off hunter mode is more logical and also using it on a default character like a human soldier. But honestly, hunter mode combined with cloak, really? What do you expect?

Edit: AP ammo, shotgun gear and weapon damage skills? Again, what are you expecting? <_<

Modifié par Dest1ny, 26 juillet 2012 - 01:05 .

[BoomDynamite]

Use it on anything that isn't a RoF class, and without SC. I can snipe with a Claymore, but I can't hit anything past 10 feet with a Piranha.

[-Sxx-]

Yeah it's very inaccurate, which sort of balances it out.

[kevchy]

Dest1ny wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Taking off hunter mode is more logical and also using it on a default character like a human soldier. But honestly, hunter mode combined with cloak, really? What do you expect?

Edit: AP ammo, shotgun gear and weapon damage skills? Again, what are you expecting? <_<

Don't forget the prox mine debuff.

[UserUnknown85]

Dest1ny wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Taking off hunter mode is more logical and also using it on a default character like a human soldier. But honestly, hunter mode combined with cloak, really? What do you expect?

Edit: AP ammo, shotgun gear and weapon damage skills? Again, what do you expect?

I expect not to be ridiculed when I say I down atlases in a little over a clip... Obviously I need to lower my expectations... The gun is the fastest killer in the game. Whether it's DPS is balanced out by it's awful accuracy and recoil... *shrugs* Idk.

[godlike13]

UserUnknown85 wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Taking off hunter mode is more logical and also using it on a default character like a human soldier. But honestly, hunter mode combined with cloak, really? What do you expect?

Edit: AP ammo, shotgun gear and weapon damage skills? Again, what do you expect?

I expect not to be ridiculed when I say I down atlases in a little over a clip... Obviously I need to lower my expectations... The gun is the fastest killer in the game. Whether it's DPS is balanced out by it's awful accuracy and recoil... *shrugs* Idk.

Is the gun the fastest killer in the game, or is the GI the fastest killer in the game?

[CrazyStrokerXxX]

Why don't people stop BI*CHING about the game and just play it!!!!!

[kevchy]

UserUnknown85 wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Taking off hunter mode is more logical and also using it on a default character like a human soldier. But honestly, hunter mode combined with cloak, really? What do you expect?

Edit: AP ammo, shotgun gear and weapon damage skills? Again, what do you expect?

I expect not to be ridiculed when I say I down atlases in a little over a clip... Obviously I need to lower my expectations... The gun is the fastest killer in the game. Whether it's DPS is balanced out by it's awful accuracy and recoil... *shrugs* Idk.

No one is ridiculing you. At least for me. Personally, I was curious with your setup that allows to take down an Atlas. However, with your setup, I can achieve similar results if I were to use a top-tier weapon. I recall a Turian Soldier equipped with a Hurricane + mine debuff taking down an Atlas single-handedly within less than 20 seconds as well. I need to dig up that Youtube video.

[godlike13]

kevchy wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Taking off hunter mode is more logical and also using it on a default character like a human soldier. But honestly, hunter mode combined with cloak, really? What do you expect?

Edit: AP ammo, shotgun gear and weapon damage skills? Again, what do you expect?

I expect not to be ridiculed when I say I down atlases in a little over a clip... Obviously I need to lower my expectations... The gun is the fastest killer in the game. Whether it's DPS is balanced out by it's awful accuracy and recoil... *shrugs* Idk.

No one is ridiculing you. At least for me. Personally, I was curious with your setup that allows to take down an Atlas. However, with your setup, I can achieve similar results if I were to use a top-tier weapon. I recall a Turian Soldier equipped with a Hurricane + mine debuff taking down an Atlas single-handedly within less than 20 seconds as well. I need to dig up that Youtube video.

There's a couple, but here's one.
www.youtube.com/watch

No PM either.

[DayusMakhina]

I'ma weigh in on this. 

death_for_sale wrote...Platinum vs Reapers, one wave. Bear in mind that while I can solo Gold, it is not easy for me to do so and Platinum involved a lot of running about that let shields regen. Also, the lag from the recording program makes it very difficult.




~Edit~

Gold vs Reapers

I don't doubt that others have previously mentioned your usage of gear and character choices in these two videos having a substantial effect considering you opted to use a character that has both a 30% weapon boost from Devastator Mode and a 27.5 passive boost. I think everyone can agree that there are very few if any characters in the entire game that can match that level of weapon boosts, thus it is biased that you've used it as your example and proof. Inevitably others have mentioned that and as such you've come up with this video instead:

death_for_sale wrote...
~Edit~
Gold vs Cerb, still uploading

http://youtu.be/v4fb1sQYgMo

Now on this you mentioned using only mild gear in an attempt to show it's usefulness on a caster class BUT again it's biased. I am struggling to believe any single Demolisher would opt ot use a Shotgun Amp V when their main attributes are their nades... everyone would much prefer to use either Warfighter or Grenade Capacity and would not ever sacrifice their bread and butter to do more damage with a shotgun. That said, there is a possibilty of the Shock Trooper Upgrade which I believe would give you a 10% damage increase. Even then that's only applicable to grenade classes rather than casters in general.

In short, if you want to highlight it's effectiveness in general you should do so with a setup that would be accepted... I refuse to believe you would ever use that Shotgun Amp in general play on a Demolisher so you would not get the 15% bonus that gives you with a proper caster setup.

That aside, it's undoubted that the Piranha is stupidly powerful, and as i've previously stated using it on a Destroyer absolutely trivialises Gold for me WITHOUT me using any relevant gear (I tend to use Warfighter to boost the Harrier and give me more grenades thus no shotgun boosts and don't bother with other consumables on gold - there's no need). From that you could argue that it's overpowered and yeh it probably could do with a tweak or two (I'm really at a loss why it was immediately buffed by BW) but it's low accuracy and short range should still come into play in that balancing because no matter what it is not as accurate as a Claymore at medium/long range.

I also use the Piranha on my Shadow due to it's relatively low weight, but there I find it to be powerful, but not too powerful. That's on a build that is largely focused on melee thus has no weapon bonuses nor does it use shotgun related gear.

Sadly that's the only 2 examples I have because I do not use it on any other class as I quite simply do not find it so godlike that every other weapon is pointless. Equally, Gold and Platinum lobbies i've played on the 360 are certainly not overflowing with Piranhas, even when you counter in that more people are likely to be using it than old guns simply because it's new. Thus I don't see it as anywhere near a problem as you're making out.

[UserUnknown85]

kevchy wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Taking off hunter mode is more logical and also using it on a default character like a human soldier. But honestly, hunter mode combined with cloak, really? What do you expect?

Edit: AP ammo, shotgun gear and weapon damage skills? Again, what do you expect?

I expect not to be ridiculed when I say I down atlases in a little over a clip... Obviously I need to lower my expectations... The gun is the fastest killer in the game. Whether it's DPS is balanced out by it's awful accuracy and recoil... *shrugs* Idk.

No one is ridiculing you. At least for me. Personally, I was curious with your setup that allows to take down an Atlas. However, with your setup, I can achieve similar results if I were to use a top-tier weapon. I recall a Turian Soldier equipped with a Hurricane + mine debuff taking down an Atlas single-handedly within less than 20 seconds as well. I need to dig up that Youtube video.

I don't believe anything in the game can take down an atlas that fast. Saying that it's less than 8 seconds would be more accurate. Probably 7 if I went full auto on the second clip....

[Doc-Jek]

 As much as I enjoy using this weapon, it is a bit overpowered... However, it's not that bad, to be honest. Instead of lowering DPS signicantly, or increasing weight, I suggest futher decreasing the accuracy and/or increase recoil.

We don't need another same-old shotgun. Its shot-range devastation with drastically decreased effectiveness at a range separates it from the claymore. Let it keep that by simply decreasing its ability to mimick the claymores effectiveness at range.

[kevchy]

godlike13 wrote...

kevchy wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Taking off hunter mode is more logical and also using it on a default character like a human soldier. But honestly, hunter mode combined with cloak, really? What do you expect?

Edit: AP ammo, shotgun gear and weapon damage skills? Again, what do you expect?

I expect not to be ridiculed when I say I down atlases in a little over a clip... Obviously I need to lower my expectations... The gun is the fastest killer in the game. Whether it's DPS is balanced out by it's awful accuracy and recoil... *shrugs* Idk.

No one is ridiculing you. At least for me. Personally, I was curious with your setup that allows to take down an Atlas. However, with your setup, I can achieve similar results if I were to use a top-tier weapon. I recall a Turian Soldier equipped with a Hurricane + mine debuff taking down an Atlas single-handedly within less than 20 seconds as well. I need to dig up that Youtube video.

There's a couple, but here's one.
www.youtube.com/watch

No PM either.

Thanks for the link.

Curious how no one noticed this and called for nerfs to the Hurricane. Like the OP, all these videos proves that the gears and equipment can and will affect the weapon substantially.

[MrFuddyDuddy]

UserUnknown85 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

UserUnknown85 wrote...

I don't know whether the gun is OP or not, but here is what the gun can do, since apparently asking people to figure things out for themselves is too much to ask...

Atlas kill, 10 shots, on gold.

I know I can do it in 9 (cuz I've done it) but this is without a shotgun rail amp.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Piercing mod or smart choke?

Piranha X with EB V + choke V

AP ammo IV
Power amplifier IV
Shotgun amp V

NO shotgun rail amp III (which would allow you to kill it in 9 shots)

TC 4-damage
HM 6-accuracy/RoF/speed (not optimized for damage)
Proxy 6-radius/debuff/damage (not optimized for damage)
NAI 6-weapon damage/power damage/weapon damage
Fitness 4-who cares?

So you could squeeze even more damage if you built it right, though I doubt downing the atlas in 1 clip is realistic without new gear/mods/consumable additions.

On platinum, you still don't need 2 full clips, rather something around 11-12 shots.

Ok so now try that on something like a FQI without any AMPs or gear, I wish people would stop trying to prove something is OP when there using one of the hardest hitting classes with the highest level Mods and AMPs. Your whole arguement is invalidated, as even a Shuriken can become relatively beastly with high quality AMP's and the like.

[nomad311]

Worst thread ever in the history of ever. Please go away.

[Cohen le Barbare]

kevchy wrote...
Curious how no one noticed this and called for nerfs to the Hurricane. Like the OP, all these videos proves that the gears and equipment can and will affect the weapon substantially.

I'm not sure it calls for nerf, as the player on the video was using smg gear V, smg amp III, stabilization III and AP IV. That's quite a lot of gear for one gun. The thing with the Piranha (which is fine by me) is that the stock weapon with mods does a lot of damage.