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[Vault Boy X360]

How about we just buff sniper rifles. They are ridiculous underpowered in my opinion...or we can keep talking about this nonsense.

[Deitar]

Yep, it does need some adjustments, right now it's:

[JAMiAM]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

JAMiAM wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

It really needs to be heavier.

I disagree.  It would push it out of its intended niche into the hands of those classes it is most OP'ed for, and who care little, or nothing, about weight.

Good point.

Less damage then.

Right, decrease the damage so it's still OP on weapon specialists, but garbage for everyone else.

This thread is like a broken record, endlessly repeating the same stupid suggestions.

I think you have me confused with another.  My preferred method of 'fixing' this gun, is to fix the problem with Space Magic being the reason that Racial/class Accuracy bonuses can somehow override the laws of physics and cluster pellets.  Those accuracy bonuses should NOT affect pellet spread, or other simultaneously launched multi-projectile devices.

Failing that systemic fix for the affected character bonuses, I wouldn't like to see anything more than a mild ROF reduction, at the current damage levels, or a return to the initial damage levels it had on release.

[dirty console peasant]

Metal Vile wrote...

Juice Tin wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

no, just no
and all you nerfers can go to hell.
OP weapons are FUN.

SECOND.  BEST.  POST.  EVER.  

You want to be OP, play Bronze.  End of story.

then how would I get enough credits to spam the stupid broken RNG store to get my stupidly OP guns that are FUN?

[Shadow of Terror]

Don't nerf it....

I haven't even got it yet. I had about two weapons at X before earth, but now... so many, yet no piranha, harrier or typhoon.

[Major Durza]

Deitar wrote...

Yep, it does need some adjustments, right now it's:

And when rebellion came out, Vorcha were EVERYWHERE.   All using Reegar and Flamer.
Its called the "new" factor.  A GOOD weapon in the hands of a caster, hell yea!
You guys have not seen how abysmal this thing is at range.  I just need to get that FRAPS working!
Forgot to mention that it is nothign to write home about against armore W/O AP Ammo.  Reegar easily comes out on top in that respect, with massive shield-stripping to boot!

[Digitalis32]

Vault Boy X360 wrote...

How about we just buff sniper rifles. They are ridiculous underpowered in my opinion...or we can keep talking about this nonsense.

Javelin with AP and Barrel mods headshotting three guardians in a row... in what way is that underpowered?

Modifié par Digitalis32, 27 juillet 2012 - 02:20 .

[Major Durza]

JAMiAM wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

JAMiAM wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

It really needs to be heavier.

I disagree.  It would push it out of its intended niche into the hands of those classes it is most OP'ed for, and who care little, or nothing, about weight.

Good point.

Less damage then.

Right, decrease the damage so it's still OP on weapon specialists, but garbage for everyone else.

This thread is like a broken record, endlessly repeating the same stupid suggestions.

I think you have me confused with another.  My preferred method of 'fixing' this gun, is to fix the problem with Space Magic being the reason that Racial/class Accuracy bonuses can somehow override the laws of physics and cluster pellets.  Those accuracy bonuses should NOT affect pellet spread, or other simultaneously launched multi-projectile devices.

Failing that systemic fix for the affected character bonuses, I wouldn't like to see anything more than a mild ROF reduction, at the current damage levels, or a return to the initial damage levels it had on release.

Actually... ROF would hurt it a bit more than a damage decrease would.  Think about it shooting slower next time you use it.

[ted striker33]

 Why all the threads to reduce weapon damage? I can't figure out why anyone would be upset that a weapon is too powerful. The Piranha is a great gun, Bioware, please leave it alone!!!!!!

[Metal Vile]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Metal Vile wrote...

Juice Tin wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

no, just no
and all you nerfers can go to hell.
OP weapons are FUN.

SECOND.  BEST.  POST.  EVER.  

You want to be OP, play Bronze.  End of story.

then how would I get enough credits to spam the stupid broken RNG store to get my stupidly OP guns that are FUN?

You don't, because there shouldn't be stupidly OP guns at all. 

That's why you play Bronze; EVERYTHING is OP.  You can defeat Bronze as a Melee Drell Vanguard and feel like the Flash combined with Batman, who is also a part-time Jedi.

[ElementL09]

I think the gun is fine considering how close you have to be for it to effective against enemies.

[hex23]

Metal Vile wrote...
You want to be OP, play Bronze.  End of story.

How about if other people want to be OP you don't worry about them? You guys whine like children until you get your way and everyhing is ruined for everyone else.

Instead, maybe, I dunno....don't use the weapons you dislike instead of f*cking it up for everyone else? Try that out for once. It doesn't cost a thing.

[Major Durza]

ElementL09 wrote...

I think the gun is fine considering how close you have to be for it to effective against enemies.

/thread.  This is why this thing is well balanced.  It is going to devastate on Glacier, because that is what autoshotties do.  Devastate at close range, take that sucker on Condor, don't camp, then tell me it is OP.

Dammit FRAPS, I'll get it working tonight.

[ted striker33]

hex23 wrote...

Metal Vile wrote...
You want to be OP, play Bronze.  End of story.

How about if other people want to be OP you don't worry about them? You guys whine like children until you get your way and everyhing is ruined for everyone else.

Instead, maybe, I dunno....don't use the weapons you dislike instead of f*cking it up for everyone else? Try that out for once. It doesn't cost a thing.

Agreed, I can't believe people complain that a weapon is too powerful, makes no sense.

[Ashen One]

JAMiAM wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

JAMiAM wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

It really needs to be heavier.

I disagree.  It would push it out of its intended niche into the hands of those classes it is most OP'ed for, and who care little, or nothing, about weight.

Good point.

Less damage then.

Right, decrease the damage so it's still OP on weapon specialists, but garbage for everyone else.

This thread is like a broken record, endlessly repeating the same stupid suggestions.

I think you have me confused with another.  My preferred method of 'fixing' this gun, is to fix the problem with Space Magic being the reason that Racial/class Accuracy bonuses can somehow override the laws of physics and cluster pellets.  Those accuracy bonuses should NOT affect pellet spread, or other simultaneously launched multi-projectile devices.

My post was a response to the "nerf the damage" reply, not yours.

[RamPuppy]

it would be nice to be able to vote topics into oblivion.

[DHKany]

Digitalis32 wrote...

Vault Boy X360 wrote...

How about we just buff sniper rifles. They are ridiculous underpowered in my opinion...or we can keep talking about this nonsense.

Javelin with AP and Barrel mods headshotting three guardians in a row... in what way is that underpowered?

Those are guardians we're talking about. I can take out guardians with the incisor, so we shouldn't buff it right?
The Javelin weighs a ton, is overkill on everything except bosses, has poor spare ammo and has a delayed shot (which you can adjust to i guess).
They should give it a 50% shield gate reduction by default to make it at least usable against geth and cerberus.

[Coela]

hex23 wrote...

Metal Vile wrote...
You want to be OP, play Bronze.  End of story.

How about if other people want to be OP you don't worry about them? You guys whine like children until you get your way and everyhing is ruined for everyone else.

Instead, maybe, I dunno....don't use the weapons you dislike instead of f*cking it up for everyone else? Try that out for once. It doesn't cost a thing.

Good luck with that. That argument hasn't worked with all the other things the babies wanted nerfed and won't work here. Bioware will cave and take everything that is fun out of multiplayer so a few elitists can have their "challenge". 

[Metal Vile]

hex23 wrote...

Metal Vile wrote...
You want to be OP, play Bronze.  End of story.

How about if other people want to be OP you don't worry about them? You guys whine like children until you get your way and everyhing is ruined for everyone else.

Instead, maybe, I dunno....don't use the weapons you dislike instead of f*cking it up for everyone else? Try that out for once. It doesn't cost a thing.

The difference is if you want to run around with your OP space blaster and then I get stuck in a game with you, or god forbid, 3 other people like you, I'm stuck standing around while your reduce everything to giblets with your meat-grinder cannon.

"Play private games then, and leave us people who want to be OP alone".  First of all, I play primarily public games because I have virtually no one on my friends list that plays this anymore.  If your counter agrument to THAT is "get more friends and play private pity matches with yourselves", then this coversation is going nowhere, because espousing that someone else should sacrifice the ability to simply play a game in public matches for YOUR own benefit is absurd and unfeasible.

Here are the two situations;

1)  Certain guns / classes / powers stay OP.  People who don't like it are told "just don't use those classes".  So they don't.  But they end up with people who DO use them in public matches.  Gameplay is impacted, and thus enjoyment, if there isn't much to do in a match because the 3 other guys are (for a previous example) GI's with Krysae's spawn killing everything.  Contrary to the beliefs of some, standing around for essentially free credits isn't fun for everyone.  Counter argument --->  Just play private matches.  With..... who?  Other people who don't like OP classes and weapons?  So now people are forced to isolate themselves from the rest of the community to be able to simply enjoy the game? 

ON TOP OF THAT, under the assumption that you want / like the new content based on it being OP and thus "fun". new content that is produced by BW will be UTTERLY WORTHLESS to those players because, if they want the game to remain challenging for themselves, they can't use any of the new content because it will demolish the enemies.  So variety is dead, challenge is dead; long live pulling the trigger in the general direction of enemies and having money thrown at me.


2)  Those weapons / classes / powers get reduced in some way to make them sufficiently not "OP".  People who don't like it complain about it.  They can't be super strong and easily complete the HIGHEST DIFFICULTY of the game anymore.  But you can still feel like a total boss and OP as hell against enemies;  it's called play a lower difficulty.  Enemies die easier, you can live longer.  Dash out in front of that Ravager and punch it to death.  Laugh as you mow down an entire pack of Geth infantry with pellets sprayed form your shotgun.  Revel in your domination over the enemies.  You're having fun now, right?  That was easy.

Counter Argument ---> But I won't be earning money fast enough to unlock all of the new content that's not OP so I don't want it anyway.  Uh.... ok?  Increased rewards is supposed to be related to overcoming a higher challenge.  It's not considered a higher challenge when you have new guns and classes that nullify the difference between Silver and Gold.  Thus breaking the entire concept of greater challenge begets greater reward. 

[Metal Vile]

To put it another way; ME3 Multiplayer is not an MMO. We don't have "gear tiers". PArticularly because we don't have "content tiers" either.

We recently received Platinum difficulty, which was touted as the "ultimate challenge mode" of ME3 to date. It wasn't introduced as "The new mode designed to show case how awesome the new Earth content easy by making it difficult to beat unless you use our new OP stuff!".

[jd641]

The Piranha is fine, leave it alone ffs.

[Talisman devil]

death_for_sale your are a shameless person asking for any weapon to get nerfed!!!! You play on the PC ONLY!!!!!!!!!! As far as I know you can easily hack the game. Shut your mouth about this subject!!! If anything everyone should look at your manifest!!!! Looks like you almost have everything don't you!!!!! SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Major Durza]

I am uploading a short youtube video of this weapon in practice. I selected Unkown/Unkown/Gold, I ended up with Cerberus (*sigh*) on Firebase Goddess. I only recorded two waves (one less than the OP recorded) and it shows that this gun is not that OP, if it is at all. It is treading a very thin line, it is VERY good at its niche.
Outside of its niche it fails spectactularly (7 shots to kill ONE Assault Trooper at mid-range!)

I was using a N7 Paladin, only gear I equipeed was Structural Ergonomics IV, no specs for weapon damage, per the caster norm.

Modifié par Major Durza, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:41 .

[Whapa]

Metal Vile wrote...

You don't, because there shouldn't be stupidly OP guns at all. 

That's why you play Bronze; EVERYTHING is OP.  You can defeat Bronze as a Melee Drell Vanguard and feel like the Flash combined with Batman, who is also a part-time Jedi.

I so want to do that now.

Modifié par Phyrex82, 27 juillet 2012 - 03:04 .

[Rebel_Raven]

It'd be really nice if casters could have a gun (Or preferrably a few for variety's sake) that could hurt bosses decently without crippling casting times.
Ya know, since bosses like being immune, or heavily resistant to a lot of powers, and there's powers that are dangerous to use vs a Boss type. I.e. Charge, and shadow Strike.

Problem is a light weight, potent weapon will no doubt end up like the Pirahna. Here, in a thread like this coz the weapon's role is magnified 10 fold by a handful of classes.

Those weapon heavy classes get to oblitterate bosses, and peons alike while casters have to chip away at bosses, and kite the hell out of them for a long long time.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 27 juillet 2012 - 03:08 .