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Piranha balance thread - Lower DPS or RoF or Clip Size or increase Weight
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#1203
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 12:41
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DHKany wrote...
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Digitalis32 wrote...
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How about we just buff sniper rifles. They are ridiculous underpowered in my opinion...or we can keep talking about this nonsense.
Javelin with AP and Barrel mods headshotting three guardians in a row... in what way is that underpowered?
Those are guardians we're talking about. I can take out guardians with the incisor, so we shouldn't buff it right?
The Javelin weighs a ton, is overkill on everything except bosses, has poor spare ammo and has a delayed shot (which you can adjust to i guess).
They should give it a 50% shield gate reduction by default to make it at least usable against geth and cerberus.
1) Here's a challence, can anyone kill three guardians standing behind eachother with one shot from an incisor?
2) So the javelin is overkill for anything except bosses? - well that invalidates your suggestion that all sniper rifles are underpowered. Even with shield gate the widow and the javelin are both capable of reducing atlases to scrap in short order.
3) If there was a 50% reduction in shield gate then it would be quite possible to one-shot everything...and then people will scream for it to be nerfed....and the cycle continues.
1) Of course you can't but that wasn't my point. My point was that guardians are some of the easiest enemies to take out in the game. I only use the example of the Incisor to try and illustrate how easy it is to kill them.
2) 'I' never said all sniper rifles are underpowered. and the Javelin is overkill for anything besides bosses. Seriously. You probably wasted 500+ damage on that one geth trooper, or cannibal, or assault trooper. Sure, but can it do that to all other boss units besides atalses?
3)If there was 50% shield gate reduction it would deem itself ultra rare worthy. As of now, theres basically nothing that the Javeling can do that the Widow or even the Mantis can do better. +
I'm really beginning to think that they should kill shield gate for sniper rifles. Add a new penetration mod for them that lets them bypass it in percentages.
Well maybe not completely but a mod to reduce it up to a certain extent would be appreciated/
I would certainly support it.
#1204
Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 12:46
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I'm down for a nerf.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 07:14
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jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 07:24
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death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 07:34
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Grenades are the most powerful thing in this game, especially Arc Grenades. Yet, this week's nerfer pet project is a weapon that makes you get in close range to use it. I wonder why the nerfers don't go after the claymore? Is it because it can one shot from distance?
Anyway, I don't care anymore. I play this game less and less each week and only on weekends. All that's left in this game for me is the crap I didn't like from the start: stupid sucktastic cover system, the casino, narrow fov, do all suicide button, lame wobbly movement system, cheap cheating AI, anti coop scoring system, bugs, bugs , bugs, ....... It's the same crap over and over again. The hell with this crap.
Anyway, I don't care anymore. I play this game less and less each week and only on weekends. All that's left in this game for me is the crap I didn't like from the start: stupid sucktastic cover system, the casino, narrow fov, do all suicide button, lame wobbly movement system, cheap cheating AI, anti coop scoring system, bugs, bugs , bugs, ....... It's the same crap over and over again. The hell with this crap.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 08:26
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Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game. Why play the game at all if it is not challenging? If I only wanted to play to have no challenge and get carried through matches, I would have bought a console and hung out with missile glitchers before that was fixed.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 08:55
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death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game. Why play the game at all if it is not challenging? If I only wanted to play to have no challenge and get carried through matches, I would have bought a console and hung out with missile glitchers before that was fixed.
You are free to challenge yourself any time you want. Play with a lesser weapon. Play with 2, 1, or no teammates.
And, the weapon requires almost melee range to use. It requires high damage to be worth using.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:04
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nicethugbert wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game. Why play the game at all if it is not challenging? If I only wanted to play to have no challenge and get carried through matches, I would have bought a console and hung out with missile glitchers before that was fixed.
You are free to challenge yourself any time you want. Play with a lesser weapon. Play with 2, 1, or no teammates.
And, the weapon requires almost melee range to use. It requires high damage to be worth using.
It doesn't require melee range to use if you use appropriate mods, cover, or classes. I've shown this in videos and screenshots. Other people have shown it in videos on infiltrators. Now you have people requesting balance to weapon platform classes instead of fixing the weapon, because people want to have a caster class that has an awesome weapon as well as powers.
It is the same thing that happened with the Krysae. Some people said, "Hey, the Krysae is really OP, maybe it should be balanced". Then all the people who want OP weapons said, "Oh no, it's not the weapon, its Infiltrators. Nerf them!" So, hunter mode nerf, tactical cloak nerf, and then BW realized that people were still abusing the OP nature of the weapon and nerfed it to hell.
Let's do that all over again because people don't want to make slight balance reductions to the Piranha, it's the only logical choice. Kill devastator mode, nerf hunter mode some more, bust marksman and AR down a few notches, and maybe nerf TC again. Good idea?
#1211
Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:08
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The Piranha is balanced by its accuracy and range
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#1212
Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:13
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death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game.
Your gameplay video would lead me to believe otherwise, seeing as you had to buff your shields to over 1500 points, and still managed to die multiple times against Cerberus grunts, on the smallest map, where the weapon shines.
Modifié par Ashen Earth, 28 juillet 2012 - 09:14 .
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:14
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Or here is a weird idea.....dont use it!!!!!!! For every 1 person i find that can use it worth a damn 10 people cant hit the side of a bloody barn with it!
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:16
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I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game. Why play the game at all if it is not challenging? If I only wanted to play to have no challenge and get carried through matches, I would have bought a console and hung out with missile glitchers before that was fixed.
Nobody is forcing you to use it.
Let's nerf anything remotely good until every weapon and class in the game is crap.
If Bioware keeps listening to crybabies like you, all enemies, powers, and weapons will be removed to achieve proper balance. You will run around the map completing objectives when the game prompts you to.
Oh, but then some classes have combat rolls and some don't. That's so overpowered, let's make it so no classes have any sort of roll or manueverability increasing movement. Actually, just remove the ability to walk because somebody might get stuck on a wall trying to round a corner.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:18
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Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game.
Your gameplay video would lead me to believe otherwise, seeing as you had to buff your shields to over 1500 points, and still managed to die multiple times against Cerberus grunts, on the smallest map, where the weapon shines.
You again? Go troll Air Quote's thread, he wants to nerf a bunch of classes instead of just a weapon.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:20
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death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game.
Your gameplay video would lead me to believe otherwise, seeing as you had to buff your shields to over 1500 points, and still managed to die multiple times against Cerberus grunts, on the smallest map, where the weapon shines.
You again? Go troll Air Quote's thread, he wants to nerf a bunch of classes instead of just a weapon.
I'm not trolling, I'm introducing some much needed logic, and common sense into this abomination of a thread.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:21
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Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game.
Your gameplay video would lead me to believe otherwise, seeing as you had to buff your shields to over 1500 points, and still managed to die multiple times against Cerberus grunts, on the smallest map, where the weapon shines.
You again? Go troll Air Quote's thread, he wants to nerf a bunch of classes instead of just a weapon.
I'm not trolling, I'm introducing some much needed logic, and common sense into this abomination of a thread.
Nope, definitely trolling.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:35
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death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game.
Your gameplay video would lead me to believe otherwise, seeing as you had to buff your shields to over 1500 points, and still managed to die multiple times against Cerberus grunts, on the smallest map, where the weapon shines.
You again? Go troll Air Quote's thread, he wants to nerf a bunch of classes instead of just a weapon.
I'm not trolling, I'm introducing some much needed logic, and common sense into this abomination of a thread.
Nope, definitely trolling.
And that makes you.....? A troll trolling another troll? LOL
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:42
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its THAT guy wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game.
Your gameplay video would lead me to believe otherwise, seeing as you had to buff your shields to over 1500 points, and still managed to die multiple times against Cerberus grunts, on the smallest map, where the weapon shines.
You again? Go troll Air Quote's thread, he wants to nerf a bunch of classes instead of just a weapon.
I'm not trolling, I'm introducing some much needed logic, and common sense into this abomination of a thread.
Nope, definitely trolling.
And that makes you.....? A troll trolling another troll? LOL
So by your logic it would now be you trolling me, me trolling Ashen, and him trolling me. That sounds sort of like Inception.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:44
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this is a co-op game not a pvp game. if anything they should be buffing the weapons and classes people dont use not nerfing the ones people do use.
#1221
Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:53
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ted striker33 wrote...
Why all the threads to reduce weapon damage? I can't figure out why anyone would be upset that a weapon is too powerful. The Piranha is a great gun, Bioware, please leave it alone!!!!!!
Calm down my man. The Company doesn't look at word-of-mouth spreaded information (illegal & against company policy). If this were to be dealt with by Bioware it will be dealt with the same way as every other weapon is dealt with.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 09:57
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death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game.
Your gameplay video would lead me to believe otherwise, seeing as you had to buff your shields to over 1500 points, and still managed to die multiple times against Cerberus grunts, on the smallest map, where the weapon shines.
You again? Go troll Air Quote's thread, he wants to nerf a bunch of classes instead of just a weapon.
I'm not trolling, I'm introducing some much needed logic, and common sense into this abomination of a thread.
Nope, definitely trolling.
QQ moar.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 10:04
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How about... OP get over it.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 10:07
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death_for_sale wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
Explosaction wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
jamesaka11710 wrote...
So THE only reason this gun does ridiculous damage, is to use gear and weapon specialist classes.
Lol, nerf threads have no logic.
Actually I've shown that it is just more than specialist classes and gear is there for a reason. If the gear is making weapons OP, would you agree to a removal of all gear mods to make things more balanced?
Why do you want the nerf? If you had Pirahna X I'm pretty sure you want the thing to do More DPS and stuff. Plus if others had it and they get you through Plat and gold surely that's a good thing. The only thing that should be nerfed is the damn enemy's at least.
I have it at X, that is not the point. The point is that using the weapon removes challenge from the game.
Your gameplay video would lead me to believe otherwise, seeing as you had to buff your shields to over 1500 points, and still managed to die multiple times against Cerberus grunts, on the smallest map, where the weapon shines.
You again? Go troll Air Quote's thread, he wants to nerf a bunch of classes instead of just a weapon.
He has a fair point.
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Posté 28 juillet 2012 - 10:16
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Every post I've read regarding a weapon needing 'nerfed' has been by someone who either does not have the weapon, or was outscored by someone using the weapon, or,does not understand how to properly employ and/or utilize mod's with the weapon. This amounts to these post's being nothing but trash-n-troll post's.
