Modifié par Mr Massakka, 25 juillet 2012 - 08:08 .
The question of why it affects AIs only but still leaves other tech functional (which it clearly does) has no answer, apart from bad writing. It also has no motive aside from falsely dragging down destroy. They want synthesis because it's the most "artsy"dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing say that they want us to pick synthesis.Added. destroy is a concept of something like an emp blast. Remeber, destory affects all tech. If it affect all tech, i's understandable why it kills AI. Tech is the reson they are alive. Destroy justr curropt their programing to the point it can't be restored to the way it was. Basicly a giant mind wipe for machines.
Nothing says that that synthetic can be restored but who ever they were is gone forever.
dreman9999 wrote...
Yes it did. The starchild spacifly state it affects all tech.Fawx9 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It's using the system thats already there. In control you just using the system to change itsefl. Destroy is just something like an emp blast.Fawx9 wrote...
And again, if their is a reaper only signal used for control why didn't destroy just piggy back onto it for its targeting?
There really is no good excuse how destroy can have such a stupid targeting system when compared to the others.
If its an EMP then it should target all tech, from PC to Reapers. That didn't happen it only targetted living synthetics somehow.
The fact that it can target things specifically makes it seem that targetting only reapers, since they have reaper exclusive properties, such as receiving control signals, should be possible and that geth/edi were thrown in there just because.
No, it's bad writing that the geth are targeted at all, in any ending.Mr Massakka wrote...
My take on it... it doesn't make sense.
The Crucible emits a control signal or a signal that destroys everything. It should target the exact same lifeforms, just in a different way. It's simply a giant plot hole that the blue wave does not target Geth.
The Crucible emits a control signal or a signal that destroys
everything. It should target the exact same lifeforms, just in
a different way. It's simply a giant plot hole that the blue
wave does not target Geth.
To be fair you see the Geth in front of a Reaper in the Control slides so we go back to "Speculation from everyone" even in the EC which should have actually give closure to everythingMr Massakka wrote...
My take on it... it doesn't make sense.
The Crucible emits a control signal or a signal that destroys everything. It should target the exact same lifeforms, just in a different way. It's simply a giant plot hole that the blue wave does not target Geth.
Marauder Shields N7 wrote...
space magic
BatmanPWNS wrote...
The perfectly logical excuse is............Space magic
mosesarose wrote...
Marauder Shields N7 wrote...
space magic
I always love this answer +1
Carlthestrange wrote...
Apparently the Red light can't distinguish between Reapers and Synthetics, but the blue light can.
Because reasons.
Why do you think the normady crashed on the planet? It did stop working but it was restored. Affect does not mean destroy all tech. It just means it stopped the tech from working till it's restored and repaired. But want that means with an AI is a massive mind wipe. Who ever they were would be gone. THink of it like brain death for machines.Fawx9 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Yes it did. The starchild spacifly state it affects all tech.Fawx9 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It's using the system thats already there. In control you just using the system to change itsefl. Destroy is just something like an emp blast.Fawx9 wrote...
And again, if their is a reaper only signal used for control why didn't destroy just piggy back onto it for its targeting?
There really is no good excuse how destroy can have such a stupid targeting system when compared to the others.
If its an EMP then it should target all tech, from PC to Reapers. That didn't happen it only targetted living synthetics somehow.
The fact that it can target things specifically makes it seem that targetting only reapers, since they have reaper exclusive properties, such as receiving control signals, should be possible and that geth/edi were thrown in there just because.
If it did none of the ships would be working.
In high EMS destory it somehow only affects living synthetics meaning it has a magical way to seperate them from a standard PC. Meaning there should have been a way to target a Reaper only property, such as the control sigal from the catalyst.
The geth/edi are simply a punishment for choosing destory, there is no reason for them to be there if the waves of energy are smart enough to discremenate at different levels.
Lord Goose wrote...
The Crucible emits a control signal or a signal that destroys
everything. It should target the exact same lifeforms, just in
a different way. It's simply a giant plot hole that the blue
wave does not target Geth.
Why you assume it what difference in targeting mechanism, and not in beam properteries?
meme.
I get the impression the EC hasn't fixed anything at all: We still get the same linear bull**** where nothing matters, it still goes against everything Mass Effect stands for, and it still lacks explanation and closure, even though the last cutscene is damn 15 minutes long already... I guess it's very hard to give reasoing to such an amount of space magic.v TricKy v wrote...
To be fair you see the Geth in front of a Reaper in the Control slides so we go back to "Speculation from everyone" even in the EC which should have actually give closure to everythingMr Massakka wrote...
My take on it... it doesn't make sense.
The Crucible emits a control signal or a signal that destroys everything. It should target the exact same lifeforms, just in a different way. It's simply a giant plot hole that the blue wave does not target Geth.
maaaze wrote...
*facepalm*
wow...you guys really need everything explained...and are not able to think ONE BIT for yourself...it is truly astounding.
Energy can be used in different ways? what?...there is a difference between overloading all synthetics and changing the command signal? huh? how is that possible ?
really guys...take a book and try to learn something.
basic education is a good thing.
CrutchCricket wrote...
There is no initial beam from the Citadel.Only the shockwave is amplified and sent by the relays.o Ventus wrote...
An initial shockwave is released from the Citadel, then the Crucible fires a beam to the adjacent relay, which then fires another beam to another relay before collapsing in a shockwave itself.
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that there's no implicit or explicit reason given for why the two are different, or how it's even possible that they could be different.
They are different. And the reasoning is very clear. The mechanism for control is already established. Only destroy and synthesis require something new.
The holokid already controls the Reapers. You are replacing the holokid. You're going through existing channels.
CronoDragoon wrote...
maaaze wrote...
*facepalm*
wow...you guys really need everything explained...and are not able to think ONE BIT for yourself...it is truly astounding.
Energy can be used in different ways? what?...there is a difference between overloading all synthetics and changing the command signal? huh? how is that possible ?
really guys...take a book and try to learn something.
basic education is a good thing.
Are you denying that the primary purpose of Destroy functioning differently than Control had nothing to do with in-game logic or reason, and was in fact a giant sign by BioWare saying, "Please consider our other endings?!"
CrutchCricket wrote...
The question of why it affects AIs only but still leaves other tech functional (which it clearly does) has no answer, apart from bad writing. It also has no motive aside from falsely dragging down destroy. They want synthesis because it's the most "artsy"dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing say that they want us to pick synthesis.Added. destroy is a concept of something like an emp blast. Remeber, destory affects all tech. If it affect all tech, i's understandable why it kills AI. Tech is the reson they are alive. Destroy justr curropt their programing to the point it can't be restored to the way it was. Basicly a giant mind wipe for machines.
Nothing says that that synthetic can be restored but who ever they were is gone forever.
Because then you are implying that a beam of energy is sentient and that bascially proves the whole SPACE MAGIC meme.
Modifié par Lord Goose, 25 juillet 2012 - 08:19 .
It has nothing to do with control and everything to do with the fact that "destroying all synthetics but differentiating between sentient and non-sentient tech" is bull****.CronoDragoon wrote...
Are you denying that the primary purpose of Destroy functioning differently than Control had nothing to do with in-game logic or reason, and was in fact a giant sign by BioWare saying, "Please consider our other endings?!"
dreman9999 wrote...
Why do you think the normady crashed on the planet? It did stop working but it was restored. Affect does not mean destroy all tech. It just means it stopped the tech from working till it's restored and repaired. But want that means with an AI is a massive mind wipe. Who ever they were would be gone. THink of it like brain death for machines.Fawx9 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Yes it did. The starchild spacifly state it affects all tech.Fawx9 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It's using the system thats already there. In control you just using the system to change itsefl. Destroy is just something like an emp blast.Fawx9 wrote...
And again, if their is a reaper only signal used for control why didn't destroy just piggy back onto it for its targeting?
There really is no good excuse how destroy can have such a stupid targeting system when compared to the others.
If its an EMP then it should target all tech, from PC to Reapers. That didn't happen it only targetted living synthetics somehow.
The fact that it can target things specifically makes it seem that targetting only reapers, since they have reaper exclusive properties, such as receiving control signals, should be possible and that geth/edi were thrown in there just because.
If it did none of the ships would be working.
In high EMS destory it somehow only affects living synthetics meaning it has a magical way to seperate them from a standard PC. Meaning there should have been a way to target a Reaper only property, such as the control sigal from the catalyst.
The geth/edi are simply a punishment for choosing destory, there is no reason for them to be there if the waves of energy are smart enough to discremenate at different levels.
Shockwave =/= beam.o Ventus wrote...
Yes, there is an initial shockwave emanating from the Citadel
That video is pre-EC, but they never changed the animation of the Crucible firing, so it's valid.
Shockwave from Citadel -> Citadel fires shot to relay -> Relay spins really fast, fire shot -> Relay collapses -> Repeat 3-4 ad infinitum
CrutchCricket wrote...
Shockwave =/= beam.o Ventus wrote...
Yes, there is an initial shockwave emanating from the Citadel
That video is pre-EC, but they never changed the animation of the Crucible firing, so it's valid.
Shockwave from Citadel -> Citadel fires shot to relay -> Relay spins really fast, fire shot -> Relay collapses -> Repeat 3-4 ad infinitum
Pre-EC, same thing, no beam.
Thread has moved on.
No.CronoDragoon wrote...
maaaze wrote...
*facepalm*
wow...you guys really need everything explained...and are not able to think ONE BIT for yourself...it is truly astounding.
Energy can be used in different ways? what?...there is a difference between overloading all synthetics and changing the command signal? huh? how is that possible ?
really guys...take a book and try to learn something.
basic education is a good thing.
Are you denying that the primary purpose of Destroy functioning differently than Control had nothing to do with in-game logic or reason, and was in fact a giant sign by BioWare saying, "Please consider our other endings?!"
CrutchCricket wrote...
The question of why it affects AIs only but still leaves other tech functional (which it clearly does) has no answer, apart from bad writing. It also has no motive aside from falsely dragging down destroy. They want synthesis because it's the most "artsy"dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing say that they want us to pick synthesis.Added. destroy is a concept of something like an emp blast. Remeber, destory affects all tech. If it affect all tech, i's understandable why it kills AI. Tech is the reson they are alive. Destroy justr curropt their programing to the point it can't be restored to the way it was. Basicly a giant mind wipe for machines.
Nothing says that that synthetic can be restored but who ever they were is gone forever.
So you wished that Shepard and his squad died at the end of ME1?maaaze wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
maaaze wrote...
*facepalm*
wow...you guys really need everything explained...and are not able to think ONE BIT for yourself...it is truly astounding.
Energy can be used in different ways? what?...there is a difference between overloading all synthetics and changing the command signal? huh? how is that possible ?
really guys...take a book and try to learn something.
basic education is a good thing.
Are you denying that the primary purpose of Destroy functioning differently than Control had nothing to do with in-game logic or reason, and was in fact a giant sign by BioWare saying, "Please consider our other endings?!"
No, it was meant to be a hard choice, based on what you are willing to risk and sacrifice...destroy without sacrifice is meaningless...
it is hollywood BS. it is boring. It goes against the whole Narrative.
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