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[o Ventus]

Kildin_of_the_Volus wrote...

Ya don't say...

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Do you understand  catalyst every reaper at once?

I would, if this post was legible.

Let me make it clear for you the catalyst is every reaper at once. It, as it says it, is the enbodyment of the collective intelligence of every reaper.
To fully repalce the catalyst every reaper has to be rewritten.

Or you could jsut replace the core programming of the Catalyst with Shepard's personality imprint...

They still have to send the new programing to the reapers. It's the concept of updating networked computers.

The Catalyst controls the Reapers. 

If Shepard takes the Catalyst's position, Shepard then logically has control of the Reapers. There's no indication or implication that each Reaper needs to be "reprogrammed". 

Really, just stop. You are possibly one of the worst people to debate with (not something I say lightly).

It the same concept as EDI contoling EDA's body and being EDI through that body. Machines perseptions are highly maluable. They can have as many bodies , sense, eye's, perseptions, and persona's as they want. An AI can be one being and many beings at once. That's why every reaper need to be reprogramed. Every reaper is a part of the catalyst and the catalyst at once.
If you want to reprogram legion, you have to reprogram every geth unit in his platform.

[dreman9999]

Galenwolf wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

What I am saying is that the #1 reason that Destroy and Control ARE different (and we agree they are, yeah?) is because of what I said above. In other words, at what point in planning out the endings did BioWare decide that Destroy would target all synthetics instead of just Reapers (like Control)? I posit that it was when they realized that everyone would just make a sharp right once the Catalyst's BS was through.

The purpose of the Reapers is to prevent synthetics from eventuallly killing all organics in the galaxy (as the Catalyst explains). Each option is meant to be a solution to this problem. So, that's why the Destroy beam's main targets are synthetics, not Reapers.

Even that doesn't make sense.  If you want to stop synthetics, you destroy the synthetics and then warn the current races what happened in the past.

What you do not do, is kill the organics.

Its like stopping the spread of cancer in a patient by putting a bullet in the patients brain.

But the goal is not to kill sysnthetic. It not to stop them. It's to find a way to coexsist. The problem here is the how you defining the salution it's using. The catalyst is defining it as perserving in a new form of life, which it is and comfermed to be doing by Legion in ME2
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqtAHNQT3-w

To you it's killing, which it is by destroy a beings indivisuality.

[Kildin_of_the_Volus]

o Ventus wrote...

Kildin_of_the_Volus wrote...

Ya don't say...

Yea, was trying to make a post with my phone.  Didn't work out too well.  Switchted to my comp.  Please recheck post.

Modifié par Kildin_of_the_Volus, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[devSin]

Because the ending is stupid.

You're going to have to just accept it, eventually.

[Marauder Shields N7]

devSin wrote...

Because the ending is stupid.

You're going to have to just accept it, eventually.

QFT

[CronoDragoon]

dreman9999 wrote...
]No. Low ems the crucilbe is unstable. High ems it's stable.  It an issue of the control of the energy out put.

EMPs can blow up concrete structures now? (Big Ben)

[Spartanburger]

Well. I have wondered this as well.


I can understand the Geth and EDI dying in Destroy. A high EMS destroy only targets Reaper code. EDI has Reaper Code in it. The Geth used Reaper upgrades. My question is why the destruction of this code means the complete and utter destruction of the whole. Why doesn't the Geth just return to the level of self-awareness and intelligence as before the Reaper upgrades?
Some might say that the upgrades, the code, combines with the original in such a way that there is no "original" code to revert to as everything was assimilated into the Geth/reaper code hybrid. But then why does the Q/G conflict say that the destruction of the Reaper upgrade signal say that the removal of the signal and therefore the upgrades (and the control) will just revert them to their original intelligence?

And Control must target Reaper code and Reaper code alone. The Geth and EDI all have Reaper code in them therefore they should be controlled. No explanation is explained as to the difference. The level of accuracy of the Catalyst/Crucible has not changed. There should be no greater accuracy in targeting between Control and Destroy yet as it currently is, no matter your EMS, the Control ending somehow makes the device so accurate that it is only able to affect 'pure' Reaper code whereas destroy somehow loses this accuracy to target any and all Reaper code. And that still does not explain as to why the Geth and EDI don't simply revert to a state that has no Reaper code in it; the Geth being as they were before the Reaper control signal and EDI being what she was before the Reaper upgrade.


All in all the only conclusion is that the Geth and EDI sacrifice is thrown in at the end for the sole purpose to try to balance the endings. It's only there to add a con to Destroy.

Now what should have happened is that in a high-EMS ending, the option to save the Geth is added. I say option because I know that some people would like the kill the Geth, and I know that some people actually believe the Starbrat when he says that "the created must always rise up against their creators" despite all the evidence shown otherwise, and the complete and utter lack of evidence to support his stance.

[zovoes]

Spartanburger wrote...
I can understand the Geth and EDI dying in Destroy. A high EMS destroy only targets Reaper code.

how does a BOMB target only computer code? thats like saying i can put a bomb in a library, set it off, and only blow up the copeis of "everybody poops". tell me how the hell that works out i would love to know how the blast knows what is reaper code and what is not. it burns **** up, it's not a pulse its a blast of something that should cook everything or only cook the hardware of reapers not the geth.

[Kildin_of_the_Volus]

zovoes wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...
I can understand the Geth and EDI dying in Destroy. A high EMS destroy only targets Reaper code.

how does a BOMB target only computer code? thats like saying i can put a bomb in a library, set it off, and only blow up the copeis of "everybody poops". tell me how the hell that works out i would love to know how the blast knows what is reaper code and what is not. it burns **** up, it's not a pulse its a blast of something that should cook everything or only cook the hardware of reapers not the geth.

because space magic

[Memnon]

zovoes wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...
I can understand the Geth and EDI dying in Destroy. A high EMS destroy only targets Reaper code.

how does a BOMB target only computer code? thats like saying i can put a bomb in a library, set it off, and only blow up the copeis of "everybody poops". tell me how the hell that works out i would love to know how the blast knows what is reaper code and what is not. it burns **** up, it's not a pulse its a blast of something that should cook everything or only cook the hardware of reapers not the geth.

The 'destroy' beam only kills sentient machines, and somehow bypasses non-sentient machines - so it is in fact doing exactly the silliness that you describe

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

It the same concept as EDI contoling EDA's body and being EDI through that body.

What? EDI didn't reprogram Eva. Eva's programs still exist, EDI just took control of them. Good job there.

Machines perseptions are highly maluable.

This isn't a sentence.

They can have as many bodies , sense, eye's, perseptions, and persona's as they want.

The f**k? 

An AI can be one being and many beings at once

No. A single AI is a singular being. The Catalyst is a singular AI. It uses 1st person pronouns when referring to itself.

That's why every reaper need to be reprogramed.

Sure, except you haven't answered a single aspect of any of my posts.

If you want to reprogram legion, you have to reprogram every geth unit in his platform.

No dick, that's why they call it a gestalt intelligence. Except here the Catalyst is not a gestalt AI. Nice invalid example though.

[Xellith]

Destroy = EMP?
Control = Asuming direct control

Least thats how my mind views it.

How an EMP from the citadel could wipe out all organics on earth if its not tuned properly is what gives me headaches.

[zovoes]

Xellith wrote...

Destroy = EMP?
Control = Asuming direct control

Least thats how my mind views it.

How an EMP from the citadel could wipe out all organics on earth if its not tuned properly is what gives me headaches.

and it just going after one type of tech and of that only the kind that can think for it's self and uses one kind of coding doesn't?

[o Ventus]

Xellith wrote...

Destroy = EMP?
Control = Asuming direct control

Least thats how my mind views it.

How an EMP from the citadel could wipe out all organics on earth if its not tuned properly is what gives me headaches.

EMP's don't discriminate.

[Spartanburger]

zovoes wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...
I can understand the Geth and EDI dying in Destroy. A high EMS destroy only targets Reaper code.

how does a BOMB target only computer code? thats like saying i can put a bomb in a library, set it off, and only blow up the copeis of "everybody poops". tell me how the hell that works out i would love to know how the blast knows what is reaper code and what is not. it burns **** up, it's not a pulse its a blast of something that should cook everything or only cook the hardware of reapers not the geth.

Well, if you actually watch the endings, you can obviously see that what happens, ragardless of what ending you chose, is definitely not a explosion.

For a low-EMS ending, perhaps. In low-EMS destroy you see the Reaper bodies being disintegrated, along with a lot of the buildings and people on the ground. On a high-EMS destroy however, you can clearly see that the Reapers are rather intact. Their gigantic metal bodies simply collapse, powerless and lifeless, to the ground. That is far from a bomb. That is far more akin to a direct wipe of code. An EMP that specifically targets a specific kind of code/electronics. If it was a standard EMP that took out all unshielded electronics then it would be devastating the the ships in space as they would be trapped, unable to move with no life support and no ships able to rescue (in other words, everyone in space dies). Therefore it has to be an EMP like effect that can be tuned to target specific kinds of hardware and software. Tuning it would then also result in the ability for a control signal.

[zovoes]

Spartanburger wrote...

zovoes wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...
I can understand the Geth and EDI dying in Destroy. A high EMS destroy only targets Reaper code.

how does a BOMB target only computer code? thats like saying i can put a bomb in a library, set it off, and only blow up the copeis of "everybody poops". tell me how the hell that works out i would love to know how the blast knows what is reaper code and what is not. it burns **** up, it's not a pulse its a blast of something that should cook everything or only cook the hardware of reapers not the geth.

Well, if you actually watch the endings, you can obviously see that what happens, ragardless of what ending you chose, is definitely not a explosion.

For a low-EMS ending, perhaps. In low-EMS destroy you see the Reaper bodies being disintegrated, along with a lot of the buildings and people on the ground. On a high-EMS destroy however, you can clearly see that the Reapers are rather intact. Their gigantic metal bodies simply collapse, powerless and lifeless, to the ground. That is far from a bomb. That is far more akin to a direct wipe of code. An EMP that specifically targets a specific kind of code/electronics. If it was a standard EMP that took out all unshielded electronics then it would be devastating the the ships in space as they would be trapped, unable to move with no life support and no ships able to rescue (in other words, everyone in space dies). Therefore it has to be an EMP like effect that can be tuned to target specific kinds of hardware and software. Tuning it would then also result in the ability for a control signal.

you don't tune an EMP to go after one kind of tech, also for the same reason you can make it just wipe one kind of code. if it was to go after something like that it would do it for everything not jsut the reapers/geth/EDI. i could see it going after some kind of tech that the reapers use to keep their bio half going and over load it or something along those lines but saying it goes after the reaper code is dumb as hell. thats not even getting into the fact that there is a targeting system that is right next to it built into the damn thing that can tell geth from reapers but doesn't work with it. thats just getting into voyager of bad.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It the same concept as EDI contoling EDA's body and being EDI through that body.

What? EDI didn't reprogram Eva. Eva's programs still exist, EDI just took control of them. Good job there.

Machines perseptions are highly maluable.

This isn't a sentence.

They can have as many bodies , sense, eye's, perseptions, and persona's as they want.

The f**k? 

An AI can be one being and many beings at once

No. A single AI is a singular being. The Catalyst is a singular AI. It uses 1st person pronouns when referring to itself.

That's why every reaper need to be reprogramed.

Sure, except you haven't answered a single aspect of any of my posts.

If you want to reprogram legion, you have to reprogram every geth unit in his platform.

No dick, that's why they call it a gestalt intelligence. Except here the Catalyst is not a gestalt AI. Nice invalid example though.

1. That's still reprograming. The only way for an Ai to control and AI is by control it's programing. Rewriting the programing is nned to do that. Thanks fro showing you don't know what you talking about.Add even EDI say she uploaded part of her self in the EDA BODY.
2.That's a sentence. "Machines" is the noun."Perceptions" in a noun.  "are "is a conjunction.highly is an adverb. And  "malleable" is a verb.  "Machines perceptions are highly malleable."is a sentence.3.No. An AI can have as personas as it want. It has no limits to it. It be one being and many beings at once. It based on the fact that it can easilly divide it persona and merge it's persona. Think copying itself and pasting itself then scanning all the data it's other forms memories have gained. Theres a converstion with engineer Adams about this in the games. The geth do this all the time.
4.EDI has two bodies. 
5.This is the statement from the Catalyst...

"I'm the embodyment of the collective intelligence of all the reapers"
What does that mean?
6.I have awnsered you question. You clearly did get it and shut your ears and mind off when the game gave you these examples.
7. What does"I'm the collective intelligence of the reapers" mean?

Modifié par dreman9999, 26 juillet 2012 - 03:59 .

[dreman9999]

zovoes wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Destroy = EMP?
Control = Asuming direct control

Least thats how my mind views it.

How an EMP from the citadel could wipe out all organics on earth if its not tuned properly is what gives me headaches.

and it just going after one type of tech and of that only the kind that can think for it's self and uses one kind of coding doesn't?

The catalyst says it's affects all tech.

[Legion of 1337]

It's called : Bioware needed to come up with a downside to destroying all the Reapers.

Otherwise, few people would ever go along with Control or Synthesis.

[V-rcingetorix]

Kildin_of_the_Volus wrote...

~snip~

Synthesis -...  Ignoring this bizzare activation method...

~snip~

My view very concisely stated...and it made me laugh. Thank you Kildin, I needed that .

[Genetic Destiny]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's easier to blow something up than it is to control it.

That's what Patrick Weekes said.

..But...its...easier to blow up a geth than it is to blow up a reaper...

But its easier to control the reapers than it is to control the geth...

[StrawberryRainPop]

Yumi50 wrote...

If you choose destroy, the boy said all synthetic would be gone.
But for Control, only reapers will be controlled?

Where's that logic coming from? 

Bioware approved writing. 

[SackofCat]

It is almost as if there were two independent capabilities and mechanisms built into the crucible... One (somehow) targets litebrite and the reapers while the other is some special new kind of energy (well, both are) that is destructive on an unimaginable scale but can be "adjusted" to be selectively destructive (but not too selective)...

The concept of the crucible strains credibility without this...let's say, quirk.

[lillitheris]

It makes no technological sense. At all. It doesn’t. It’s pointless to argue about it.

So, either accept it as it is, or do what I did and write fanfic in which the process makes more sense.