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[o Ventus]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

1. Her orginal programing was to infltrate and do what ever TIM told her to do....That EVA body is not do that. If your refuring to the motor function and power the body has. Ofcourse EDI will not wipe  that out. But everything else about EDA's programing is out. Remeber, EDI did say she put some of her programing in to the EVA BADY.

1. Spelling is your friend. When I need to analyze what each word could be, you know something is wrong.

2. Yes, EDI copied some of her own programs into Eva. That does not mean that EDI changed or wiped any of Eva's programs. What is so difficult to understand?

[quote]This is what I'm taking about and this is high malluble with machines and syntetics.
2 machines have one ego. (EDI). One machine can have many.(Legion)[/quote]

1. You don't know what malleable means.

2. Legion isn't 1 machine. The physical body of Legion is a lifeless tool. What makes Legion "Legion" are the 1183 geth inside him. 

[dreman9999]

@Ventus wrote.




1. No It just what I'm say is out ide of you conpreheintion. The problem is you.And  EVA's persona being wiped is exaclty what it means...It's a rewrite. Even TIM noted it.



1.malleable 
http://www.thefreedi...y.com/malleable 
1. Capable of being shaped or formed, as by hammering or pressure2. Easily controlled or influenced; tractable.3. Able to adjust to changing circumstances; adaptable

When EDI is attacked by EVA and EDI takes control over EVA's body and takes it for her own...How is that not an exaple of being malleable?
2.Legion is a machine. If it helps you better...Synthetic. And the 1183 geth in side of him is the malluble part of synthetics ego I'm taking about. They all still act as one but are many.

Modifié par dreman9999, 27 juillet 2012 - 01:59 .

[The Twilight God]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

a. The control console is pre-built into the Citadel, not the Crucible.
b. Control supposedly replaces the Catalyst with Shepard. Why would such a capability be on the Crucible when the people who designed it never knew the Catalyst existed???

If you will not properly address these issues don't bother replying. If you're just going to ignore my points and keep repeating yourself despite my points demonstrating how wrong you are this is a pointless exchange. I'm not going to sit here and argue that the world is a shpere while you insist it is a flat.

Show alittle respect and address my points. Otherwise, as I said before, don't bother replying to me. Until you counter my points you, by default, are agreeing with them as your silence in the matter tells me you can't counter them. If that is the case I've won this debate and it's over. As my position is established as stronger than yours. On th einternet, when people are wrong they just skip what they can't argue against and continue regurgitating faulty ideas that have already been shot down. Perhaps with other poster this tactic works, but not with me. I'm going to hld you to a higher standard in debating.

So please, address the points I've made if you think I'm wrong. Otherwise, I win the internets. Thank you.

That is not true at all. The last scene is on the crucible  not the citadel. I said this before.

Ah, feigning ignorance are we?

Allow me to enlighten you.

Full screen it at 1080p
Crucible tip docking: http://www.youtube.c...GAtjv5aQ#t=475s
Crucible tip docked:http://www.youtube.c...CGSQip90#t=160s
The Crucible is clearly floating ABOVE you: http://www.youtube.c...GAtjv5aQ#t=691s

As you can clearly see the Crucible tip is one thing and the area you're standing on is another (the bottom of the Citadel). The option choice part is seperate from the Crucible and part of the Citadel; NOT the Crucible. Notice the control panel is pre-built into the Citadel. Nice try pretending you didn;t know that though.

Now, please address my points an stop this ridiculous stalling tactic.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 27 juillet 2012 - 02:22 .

[Urdnot Amenark]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The perfectly logical excuse is............

Control fits best under soft science fiction; Synthesis is the sole executor of the Space Magic trope.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's easier to blow something up than it is to control it.

That's what Patrick Weekes said.

That's actually further evidence that it shouldn't be this way.

If destroying is so much easier, then clearly you're more able to define the differences in what you do or do not want to destroy. If control is harder, then clearly it's much more difficult to say that you want to control some and not others.

[The Twilight God]

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The perfectly logical excuse is............

Control fits best under soft science fiction; Synthesis is the sole executor of the Space Magic trope.

I'd like to have this being the in-game sysnthesis ending. The song fits so perfectly with what's happening on screen it makes you wonder if the devs created with with this sound in mind. 

[V-rcingetorix]

*sigh*

It all goes back to the writers. As it has been pointed out to me, the writers are the people who formed the logic behind the endgame. Whether the Synthetics have malleable programming, rigid programming, or a 1000 ton purple hippo programming, it goes back to the people who wrote the story plot.

[Shad Croly]

Ever think it was because the Control ending has you take the place of the Catalyst? It specifically says it controls the Reapers. You pull him from control and put yourself in control: Bam. Controlled Reapers and only the Reapers.

[The Twilight God]

Shad Croly wrote...

Ever think it was because the Control ending has you take the place of the Catalyst? It specifically says it controls the Reapers. You pull him from control and put yourself in control: Bam. Controlled Reapers and only the Reapers.

Since when does the catalyst need a wave of blue energy to control the reapers? It simply is the collective will of the reapers.. or so it claims. Control should not involve any energy blast unless the effect is being enacted by the Crucible. If Control is using the crucible for a new purpose then it stands to reason that the blast would be just as "indescriminate" as the destroy blast. Reaper control is more like a quantum entangler. No energy waves needed. By the ending's logic the Catalyst should only be able to control the reapers near the citadel.

[dreman9999]

V-rcingetorix wrote...

*sigh*

It all goes back to the writers. As it has been pointed out to me, the writers are the people who formed the logic behind the endgame. Whether the Synthetics have malleable programming, rigid programming, or a 1000 ton purple hippo programming, it goes back to the people who wrote the story plot.

Yes, but my point still stands. Do the write have to go into vast detail to every bit of the reapers and geth programing? Do they have to go over the effectivity of the crucible?
That really going to hard science territory. The writers don't need to go that far.

[V-rcingetorix]

@Dreman9999

I get what you're saying, and I actually prefer a little imagination to be required for maximum enjoyment. That's what ME2 and ME1 had, people would walk around like everything was normal and didn't need explanations. For the most part, ME3 was like that as well.

Example: Thresher Maws in ME1. No one wonders where in blazes this monstrosity came from, and everyone knows about it. In fact, a general you can help as a side-quest is astonished that his men would land on a thresher maw nest, as it is common knowledge how to avoid such things (survivor backstory as well).

In ME2, a common thing was mercenary groups. No one is astonished at the prevalence of armed mercs, and you can hear ads over the PA systems on a few planets. Explanation is given only for Blue Suns, and that's because of DLC. Nothing for Eclipse, or even how the Shadow Broker got his original start (aside from a brief paragraph in the DLC) is given.

In ME3, plenty is given to imagination. But unlike ME1 and ME2, the interesting side issues aren't left on the side, they are given a prominent role and eliminated. Explanations aren't necessary for the most part, but we're left hanging. Why were the Geth destroyed? "Synthetic" covers a multitude of definitions, as does the "easily repaired" statement. Does this mean coffeemakers that had a Husk sneeze on it will disintegrate, due to their having Reaper material on them? Will Spaceships with all their Reaper based Thanix cannon be safe?

Yes, imagination is better (and cheaper) to work with. But parameters for imagination need to be set in place.

EDIT: typo; corrected.

Modifié par V-rcingetorix, 28 juillet 2012 - 09:11 .