pretty much shows us how the choices come from the crucible.
can be also found here:
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Old OP :
[quote] There is no evidence that the Catalyst creates these choices.
none. it makes no sense that he created these choises.
The Crucible just repurpose the existing mechanism that were already on the citadel
For example:
The tube could just be designed to transport unused energy to be taken some where else on the citadel...however, if you shoot that tube the explosive energy causes a chain reaction with the beam that results in energy wave that is leathal to synthetics. If you want, I can make similar examples for control and synthesis.
The Catalyst just explains what the crucible does.
If the idea of synthesis was intended as a use of the crucible by its designers is debatable.
but destroy and control are not. these option originate from the Crucible and its designers.
I will leave two interessting replys here :
[quote]tyrvas wrote...
@ maaaze
IMO
Catalyst for Peace = Super Computer Brain (AI), built as part of the Citadel.
Creators add 2 failsafes to Catalyst for Peace,
Override Switch = Control
Shut Down / Kill Switch = Destroy
1) Catalyst was programmed to find a Solution to the organic/synthetic problem,
It's best solution upto now... Harvesting the Galaxy every 50,000 years or so.
2) Catalyst was not programmed to Override itself or Destroy itself.
Only organics can use the failsafes, Catalyst says so, it cannot make
the changes only Shepard can.
Now Catalyst says his been changed because of the Crucible and Shepard.
In other words it has been HACKED, and offers Shepard the availabe options.
Shep can, Destroy, Control or try out one of the Catalyst previously failed solutions Synthesis,
which the Catalyst says is the final evolution BUT it had tried it before and FAILED....
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[quote]elitehunter34 wrote...
[quote]elitehunter34 wrote...
Maaze you're initial premise wrong. The control and destroy apparatuses did not come from the Crucible. Synthesis is simply the beam down the middle. When the Crucible docked you can see that these apparatuses weren't on the Crucible, so they had to come from the Citadel. The Crucible allows these options to happen, but it didn't create them. Look at this part. The Crucible is on the top and the rest are on the bottom. There is no way these apparatuses came from the Crucible.
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I never argued that the trigger mechanism were on the crucible. They are not.
These triggers are ether repurposed meachnism of the Citadel that had originally different purposes.
Or [like tyrvas pointed out] these mechanisms were set in place by the original creators of the catalyst as a failsave.
These arguements are backed up by the statement that the crucible is adaptive. meaning it uses parts of the citadel to fullfill its design.
Ether way...there is no evidence that the Catalyst set up these mechanisms.
And I remind you ...Mechanism he himself can not activate...and he still produces even if Synthesis is not possible.
[quote]elitehunter34 wrote...
If this is true than this means that the these apparatuses were built into the Citadel. The Citadel was created by the Reapers. The Reapers created the Citadel and the Mass Relays as stated in Mass Effect 1. We have no proof to suggest otherwise. This means that the apparatuses were put on the Citadel at some point in time by someone and the Reapers didn't notice, care, or bizarrely put them in themselves. Because of this, this means that the Crucible did not create them, it only powers them. Whether or not the Catalyst created them is unknown.
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The only time it is suggested that the citadel was truly build by the reapers, is when Soverign says...that they relay on technology they created and build by them.
This goes against the Idea that the creators of the catalyst set up a failsave.
we don´t know if he was simply told that they had build it or if he himself was the first reaper.
If he was the first reaper than he was part of the creator of the Catalyst. which means he could have put failsaves in place before he became a reaper.
If not, he could just assume this (or be told by the first reaper) and truly believes it because being a reaper makes your selfreflection entirly based on superiority and therefore concludes that they build these things themself.
I admit i have no real evidance to back this up...but it is in the realm of possibilty...to much about the reapers is still unknown.
My own Idea that these things were just repurposed still stands and is backed up by the adaptive statement.
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Modifié par maaaze, 16 août 2012 - 11:20 .
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